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2018-08-26 11:26:47 UTC
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2018-08-26 12:17:40 UTC
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2018-08-26 12:19:36 UTC
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Its very quiet. Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers Addicts
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UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
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2018-08-26 12:40:32 UTC
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Its very quiet. Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
Surely a festival of reading would be very quiet?

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2018-08-26 13:11:40 UTC
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Its very quiet.  Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers
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UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
Surely a festival of reading would be very quiet?
Cheers
Yesterday spent being distressed by football and then the Kaiser Chiefs
having a little riot.

Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time? Total fantasy.
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2018-08-26 14:17:05 UTC
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Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time?  Total fantasy.
Perfectly understandable. Elizabeth said she was impressed by Russ and
Lily would want to take advantage of that. Also Lily is pissed off with
Elizabeth at the moment so shocking her would be a small revenge.

There is something very nasty about Russ's voice.
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Serena Blanchflower
2018-08-26 17:19:49 UTC
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Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time?  Total fantasy.
Perfectly understandable. Elizabeth said she was impressed by Russ and
Lily would want to take advantage of that. Also Lily is pissed off with
Elizabeth at the moment so shocking her would be a small revenge.
Agreed. Plus, if Lily really believes he's about to leave his wife and
that they'll be setting up home together, in Manchester, in about a
month's time, she would have to tell her mother about him before too long.
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There is something very nasty about Russ's voice.
I agree with you there, as well.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-08-26 18:36:56 UTC
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Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time?  Total fantasy.
Perfectly understandable. Elizabeth said she was impressed by Russ and
Lily would want to take advantage of that. Also Lily is pissed off with
Elizabeth at the moment so shocking her would be a small revenge.
There is something very nasty about Russ's voice.
Also Hannah's and Fairbother senior's. The two males seem to sneer and
she sounds aggressive, but the music of some accents is aggressive. If
anyone watched Dragon's Den they might have seen the two Israelis on
and one of them sounded very aggressive and annoyed the dragons, but
it was partly normal Israeli attitude and accent.
SODAM
2018-08-26 21:45:13 UTC
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Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time?  Total fantasy.
Perfectly understandable. Elizabeth said she was impressed by Russ and
Lily would want to take advantage of that. Also Lily is pissed off with
Elizabeth at the moment so shocking her would be a small revenge.
There is something very nasty about Russ's voice.
Also Hannah's and Fairbother senior's. The two males seem to sneer and
she sounds aggressive, but the music of some accents is aggressive. If
<snip>
I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.

As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
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steveski
2018-08-26 22:16:04 UTC
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Also Hannah's and Fairbother senior's. The two males seem to sneer and
she sounds aggressive, but the music of some accents is aggressive. If
<snip>
I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a
right to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as
unhinged as Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which,
as we all know, is the essence of drama.
<languid wave>

The influence of television soaps?

Btw - Olwen :-)
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Serena Blanchflower
2018-08-27 07:55:33 UTC
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I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
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As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-08-27 08:21:31 UTC
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I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
I don't think Philip was or is perfect. He seems creepy to me. He
insinuates himself into lives. Or am I being You're Not From Round
Here, Are You?
krw
2018-08-27 10:02:00 UTC
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I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
Post by SODAM
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
I don't think Philip was or is perfect. He seems creepy to me. He
insinuates himself into lives. Or am I being You're Not From Round
Here, Are You?
He, alongside his creepier still son appear to have vanished. Will
Kirsty get jealous when she hears about Natasha the welsh wonder girl?
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Serena Blanchflower
2018-08-27 14:02:06 UTC
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Post by SODAM
I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
Post by SODAM
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
I don't think Philip was or is perfect. He seems creepy to me. He
insinuates himself into lives. Or am I being You're Not From Round
Here, Are You?
I don't like him much, for rather the same reasons that you give, but
that's because I don't much trust anyone who appears to be that perfect.
Initially, he was the perfect builder, solving all Shula's problems
(apart from her marital ones and it was suggested that she wouldn't have
minded him trying to solve those, as well). He then became Alistair's
confidante and counsellor, before moving onto being the man of Kirsty's
dreams. There's very little light and shade about him, apart from his
being a supporter of the hunt getting involved with someone who is
passionately anti-hunting.
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Mike
2018-08-27 15:11:36 UTC
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I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
Post by SODAM
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
I don't think Philip was or is perfect. He seems creepy to me. He
insinuates himself into lives. Or am I being You're Not From Round
Here, Are You?
I don't like him much, for rather the same reasons that you give, but
that's because I don't much trust anyone who appears to be that perfect.
Initially, he was the perfect builder, solving all Shula's problems
(apart from her marital ones and it was suggested that she wouldn't have
minded him trying to solve those, as well). He then became Alistair's
confidante and counsellor, before moving onto being the man of Kirsty's
dreams. There's very little light and shade about him, apart from his
being a supporter of the hunt getting involved with someone who is
passionately anti-hunting.
Perhaps both Philip and Krusty hoped to convert the other to their way of
thinking.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-08-27 17:47:38 UTC
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I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
I don't think Philip was or is perfect. He seems creepy to me. He
insinuates himself into lives. Or am I being You're Not From Round
Here, Are You?
I don't like him much, for rather the same reasons that you give, but
that's because I don't much trust anyone who appears to be that perfect.
Initially, he was the perfect builder, solving all Shula's problems
(apart from her marital ones and it was suggested that she wouldn't have
minded him trying to solve those, as well). He then became Alistair's
confidante and counsellor, before moving onto being the man of Kirsty's
dreams. There's very little light and shade about him, apart from his
being a supporter of the hunt getting involved with someone who is
passionately anti-hunting.
Perhaps both Philip and Krusty hoped to convert the other to their way of
thinking.
You are using the past tense. Had it ended?
Mike
2018-08-27 18:02:46 UTC
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I don’t think it is Hannah’s accent that sounds aggressive- it is the
things that she says, which are often confrontational. When Tom arrived
late to nets, she demanded to know where he had been as if she had a right
to know. And the way she goes on about Emma’s “nepotism” is as unhinged as
Lynda’s campaign to discover the perpetrator of a non-crime.
Agreed.
As a character, Hannah is very unpleasant, as are Robin Fairbrother and
Umbrella, Pat’s erstwhile friend. Perhaps there is a rule that all new
characters have to be horrible in order to facilitate conflict, which, as
we all know, is the essence of drama.
I don't think that's quite what the rule is, although the recent new
characters have followed that path. There does seem to be a rule that
all new characters should be very two dimensional and be either
unrelentingly nasty or be improbably perfect (such as Philip or
Harrison, when he first arrived). It's only after they've been in
Ambridge a few years that they're allowed to become more three
dimensional and interesting.
I don't think Philip was or is perfect. He seems creepy to me. He
insinuates himself into lives. Or am I being You're Not From Round
Here, Are You?
I don't like him much, for rather the same reasons that you give, but
that's because I don't much trust anyone who appears to be that perfect.
Initially, he was the perfect builder, solving all Shula's problems
(apart from her marital ones and it was suggested that she wouldn't have
minded him trying to solve those, as well). He then became Alistair's
confidante and counsellor, before moving onto being the man of Kirsty's
dreams. There's very little light and shade about him, apart from his
being a supporter of the hunt getting involved with someone who is
passionately anti-hunting.
Perhaps both Philip and Krusty hoped to convert the other to their way of
thinking.
You are using the past tense. Had it ended?
I was thinking that this was their belief in the early days of their
acquaintance and that now they both realise that reality may not align with
these thoughts.
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2018-08-27 11:21:25 UTC
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Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time?  Total fantasy.
Perfectly understandable. Elizabeth said she was impressed by Russ and
Lily would want to take advantage of that. Also Lily is pissed off with
Elizabeth at the moment so shocking her would be a small revenge.
There is something very nasty about Russ's voice.
Also Hannah's and Fairbother senior's. The two males seem to sneer and
she sounds aggressive, but the music of some accents is aggressive. If
anyone watched Dragon's Den they might have seen the two Israelis on
and one of them sounded very aggressive and annoyed the dragons, but
it was partly normal Israeli attitude and accent.
I saw that. I don't think his accent was the problem, it was his
attitude and his body language. They like a bit of deference, do the
Dragons, which is not an Israeli characteristic IME.
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2018-08-26 14:42:36 UTC
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Its very quiet.  Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers
Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
Surely a festival of reading would be very quiet?
Cheers
Yesterday spent being distressed by football and then the Kaiser Chiefs
having a little riot.
Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time? Total fantasy.
Most of us see it is indeed Lily’s phantasy
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2018-08-26 18:34:14 UTC
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Its very quiet.  Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers
Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
Surely a festival of reading would be very quiet?
Cheers
Yesterday spent being distressed by football and then the Kaiser Chiefs
having a little riot.
Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time? Total fantasy.
Some on fb welcomed it as a normal-sounding scene. I had mixed
reactions. Partly I was surprised and felt a little let down that all
the various ways Lizzie finds out were not used but partly I was glad
the SWs avoided all the more dramatic ways and did it that way. The
drama now is how did Lizzie react and did she still use Russ's letter.
John Ashby
2018-08-26 19:21:27 UTC
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Its very quiet.  Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers
Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
Surely a festival of reading would be very quiet?
Cheers
Yesterday spent being distressed by football and then the Kaiser Chiefs
having a little riot.
Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time? Total fantasy.
Some on fb welcomed it as a normal-sounding scene. I had mixed
reactions. Partly I was surprised and felt a little let down that all
the various ways Lizzie finds out were not used but partly I was glad
the SWs avoided all the more dramatic ways and did it that way. The
drama now is how did Lizzie react and did she still use Russ's letter.
The drama now is whether Usha will be required to dob Russ in when
Elizabeth tells her.

john
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2018-08-26 20:30:26 UTC
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Its very quiet.  Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers
Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
Surely a festival of reading would be very quiet?
Cheers
Yesterday spent being distressed by football and then the Kaiser Chiefs
having a little riot.
Do any of us believe Lily would actually have spilt the beans to her
mother at this particular time? Total fantasy.
Some on fb welcomed it as a normal-sounding scene. I had mixed
reactions. Partly I was surprised and felt a little let down that all
the various ways Lizzie finds out were not used but partly I was glad
the SWs avoided all the more dramatic ways and did it that way. The
drama now is how did Lizzie react and did she still use Russ's letter.
The drama now is whether Usha will be required to dob Russ in when
Elizabeth tells her.
john
Do solicitors have a duty to report a factor that might disadvantage
their client? If Lizzie finds out that Russ knew Freddie was dealing
and did nothing though and tells Usha would Russ have commited a crime
that Usha should report? Solicitors don't have the same duty as
policemen to do so, do they? But might it help Freddie's case if the
jury hear the college Vice Principal didn't act and so didn't make it
clear enough that it was bad? Or can that be something that excuses
Freddie in any way?
Flop
2018-08-26 21:16:28 UTC
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Do solicitors have a duty to report a factor that might disadvantage
their client? If Lizzie finds out that Russ knew Freddie was dealing
and did nothing though and tells Usha would Russ have commited a crime
that Usha should report? Solicitors don't have the same duty as
policemen to do so, do they? But might it help Freddie's case if the
jury hear the college Vice Principal didn't act and so didn't make it
clear enough that it was bad? Or can that be something that excuses
Freddie in any way?
There is also the interesting question of how the court will view the
punishment inflicted by the licensing authority.

In essence, Lizzie is being fined several hundred thousand pounds with
the possibility of bankruptcy.

An innocent, single mother; a hard working business woman and an upright
citizen.

By inference, Freddy is also being punished in the loss of his inheritance.

A jury could easily find that Freddy's punishment was sufficient and
acquit him.

Which, in both cases, defies justice.
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2018-08-26 23:06:00 UTC
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Do solicitors have a duty to report a factor that might disadvantage
their client? If Lizzie finds out that Russ knew Freddie was dealing
and did nothing though and tells Usha would Russ have commited a crime
that Usha should report? Solicitors don't have the same duty as
policemen to do so, do they? But might it help Freddie's case if the
jury hear the college Vice Principal didn't act and so didn't make it
clear enough that it was bad? Or can that be something that excuses
Freddie in any way?
There is also the interesting question of how the court will view the
punishment inflicted by the licensing authority.
In essence, Lizzie is being fined several hundred thousand pounds with
the possibility of bankruptcy.
An innocent, single mother; a hard working business woman and an upright
citizen.
By inference, Freddy is also being punished in the loss of his inheritance.
A jury could easily find that Freddy's punishment was sufficient and
acquit him.
Which, in both cases, defies justice.
There won't be a jury. He has already pled guilty to the offence. He
has been sent to Crown Court for sentencing, pure and simple, because
the magistrates for some reason felt the penalties they could apply to a
first time offender were inadequate. This seems misbegotten but
presumably advice has been taken.
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
steveski
2018-08-27 00:51:20 UTC
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Do solicitors have a duty to report a factor that might disadvantage
their client? If Lizzie finds out that Russ knew Freddie was dealing
and did nothing though and tells Usha would Russ have commited a crime
that Usha should report? Solicitors don't have the same duty as
policemen to do so, do they? But might it help Freddie's case if the
jury hear the college Vice Principal didn't act and so didn't make it
clear enough that it was bad? Or can that be something that excuses
Freddie in any way?
There is also the interesting question of how the court will view the
punishment inflicted by the licensing authority.
In essence, Lizzie is being fined several hundred thousand pounds with
the possibility of bankruptcy.
An innocent, single mother; a hard working business woman and an
upright citizen.
By inference, Freddy is also being punished in the loss of his inheritance.
A jury could easily find that Freddy's punishment was sufficient and
acquit him.
Which, in both cases, defies justice.
There won't be a jury. He has already pled guilty to the offence. He
has been sent to Crown Court for sentencing, pure and simple, because
the magistrates for some reason felt the penalties they could apply to a
first time offender were inadequate. This seems misbegotten but
presumably advice has been taken.
Not necessarily true. He can still be forwarded to the Crown Court on a
plea of guilty. There will, as you say, be no jury.
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2018-08-26 14:42:35 UTC
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Its very quiet. Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
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Chris McMillan
2018-08-26 18:11:49 UTC
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Its very quiet. Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
We’re told it’s so wet the fans are leaving .....

Sincerely Chris
the Omrud
2018-08-27 13:56:26 UTC
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Its very quiet. Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
And anyway, it is anything but quiet, we are only a few miles from the
Reading Festival site:-(((
I'll see your Reading Festival and raise you one Creamfields. The
problem with which is that it's exclusively "dance" music, which seems
to consist only of a very strong bass beat which easily travels the mile
or so to our house. Thump, thump, thump, until the early hours.

Today, the muddy festival goers have been blocking up the roads in South
Warrington.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-08-26 14:16:42 UTC
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Its very quiet. Is umra terminally past its sell by. I use Archers Addicts
Facebook mainly now.
UMRA The original - and best.
Indeed! And I keep seeing these "it's quiet in here" messages; I find
UMRA quite busy enough most of he time!
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