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krw
2018-03-24 14:00:51 UTC
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Why is Justin so out of touch? Every major retailer is closing stores
around the country. Online retailing has squished many.

What he is proposing alongside the market is total nonsense - and Martin
Gibson is no better.

What they should be building are a major warehouse and a depot for a
parcels distribution company and getting Amazon or someone else involved
sooner rather than later.

Both proposals should be laughed at by the independent board members.
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Btms
2018-03-24 14:26:45 UTC
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Why is Justin so out of touch? Every major retailer is closing stores
around the country. Online retailing has squished many.
What he is proposing alongside the market is total nonsense - and Martin
Gibson is no better.
What they should be building are a major warehouse and a depot for a
parcels distribution company and getting Amazon or someone else involved
sooner rather than later.
Both proposals should be laughed at by the independent board members.
If its funny, I may start listening again. I am having a sabbatical atm.
I don’t count what sounds like Shula and Alice Stair separating as
negative (I only know of this from umra).

Are Charles and Judy wanting a long break for any reason? Hope they are
both well.
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krw
2018-03-24 14:59:50 UTC
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If its funny, I may start listening again.
Not by design. Apart from Shula being an unreasonable cow the grief and
despair surrounding the Will boy are dispersing and once Sport Relief is
over we can ditch that nonsense and get on with the cricket season.

Low Mead would have been sorted weeks ago - get the hauliers in and
scrape out all the land with diggers, Lynda complaining about too many
lorry movements and then new lorries delivering clean soil. All being
dragged out mercilessly.

You have to laugh to comprehend the pig's ear being made of it by the
temporary editor.
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Btms
2018-03-24 15:04:22 UTC
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If its funny, I may start listening again.
Not by design. Apart from Shula being an unreasonable cow the grief and
despair surrounding the Will boy are dispersing and once Sport Relief is
over we can ditch that nonsense and get on with the cricket season.
Low Mead would have been sorted weeks ago - get the hauliers in and
scrape out all the land with diggers, Lynda complaining about too many
lorry movements and then new lorries delivering clean soil. All being
dragged out mercilessly.
You have to laugh to comprehend the pig's ear being made of it by the
temporary editor.
Let me know when its safe to get back in the water. 😤

I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
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krw
2018-03-24 15:23:02 UTC
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
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Btms
2018-03-24 16:15:33 UTC
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
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krw
2018-03-24 16:31:36 UTC
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that? Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors. And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
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the Omrud
2018-03-24 16:51:40 UTC
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that?  Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors.  And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
We did a Baltic cruise two years ago, which was wonderful.
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krw
2018-03-24 17:11:54 UTC
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that?  Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors.  And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
We did a Baltic cruise two years ago, which was wonderful.
Particularly looking forward to doing the "Bridge".
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Rosalind Mitchell
2018-03-24 18:05:12 UTC
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that?  Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors.  And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
We did a Baltic cruise two years ago, which was wonderful.
Particularly looking forward to doing the "Bridge".
It's been a while since I had a good break, and I've never been to the
Nordic lands (unless you count Scotland, because in some ways it
is). So I'm thinking seriously of taking a break which would involve
flying[1] to Copenhagen, crossing The Bridge to Malmö, taking a train to
Stockholm and then crossing to Finland on the ferry and making my way
to Helsinki. I've thought about cruises and I may yet do one before I
fall into a final terminal decline, but I'm wary of the sort of people
who might go in cruises (umratic company excepted of course) and
anyway would prefer to go city-crawling and mingling with natives.

But as ever I'm open to having my perceptions corrected.

Rotaa

[1] I'd go by ferry but to my horror there are NO ferries from
Scotland to anywhere outside the UK any more, and no ferries from
England to Scandi any more either. The best I could come up with was
to go all the way down to Harwich, take the ferry to the Hoek van
Holland, then train to Hamburg and onwards from there. Not worth the
hassle.
Btms
2018-03-24 18:30:25 UTC
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that?  Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors.  And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
We did a Baltic cruise two years ago, which was wonderful.
Particularly looking forward to doing the "Bridge".
It's been a while since I had a good break, and I've never been to the
Nordic lands (unless you count Scotland, because in some ways it
is). So I'm thinking seriously of taking a break which would involve
flying[1] to Copenhagen, crossing The Bridge to Malmö, taking a train to
Stockholm and then crossing to Finland on the ferry and making my way
to Helsinki. I've thought about cruises and I may yet do one before I
fall into a final terminal decline, but I'm wary of the sort of people
who might go in cruises (umratic company excepted of course) and
anyway would prefer to go city-crawling and mingling with natives.
But as ever I'm open to having my perceptions corrected.
Rotaa
[1] I'd go by ferry but to my horror there are NO ferries from
Scotland to anywhere outside the UK any more, and no ferries from
England to Scandi any more either. The best I could come up with was
to go all the way down to Harwich, take the ferry to the Hoek van
Holland, then train to Hamburg and onwards from there. Not worth the
hassle.
I am not keen on being afloat but a river cruise allows plenty of time on
dry land and opportunities to be on your own to see what you want to see.
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the Omrud
2018-03-24 19:47:06 UTC
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Post by Rosalind Mitchell
It's been a while since I had a good break, and I've never been to the
Nordic lands (unless you count Scotland, because in some ways it
is). So I'm thinking seriously of taking a break which would involve
flying[1] to Copenhagen, crossing The Bridge to Malmö, taking a train to
Stockholm and then crossing to Finland on the ferry and making my way
to Helsinki. I've thought about cruises and I may yet do one before I
fall into a final terminal decline, but I'm wary of the sort of people
who might go in cruises (umratic company excepted of course)
We thought that, but we were very pleasantly surprised. Each cruise
line attracts a different client base - we've been on Princess which is
about 90% retired American professionals - doctors, lawyers, engineers,
teachers, professors - with whom we had plenty in common. The ships are
so vast that you don't often run into the same people twice, so if you
get stuck with some undesirables, you probably won't see them again.
Don't equate vastness with crowded - despite being full of 3,500
passengers, at every time of the day we could sit wherever we chose, in
many cases withought being in sight of any other passengers. We never
went to the shows though, which are probably quite busy.
Post by Rosalind Mitchell
and anyway would prefer to go city-crawling and mingling with natives.
Right, but that's exactly what we do at most ports. We don't take the
organised tours; we buy a guide book (there are specialised ones for
cruise passengers with only one day) and plan our own visit by public
transport and walking. The huge bonus is that your hotel magically
moves to a different city each night, and most of the Baltic ports are
easily explored directly from the ship. Some passengers went back on
board for lunch every day because it was free.
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Rosalind Mitchell
2018-03-24 20:26:37 UTC
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We thought that, but we were very pleasantly surprised. Each cruise
line attracts a different client base - we've been on Princess which is
about 90% retired American professionals - doctors, lawyers, engineers,
teachers, professors - with whom we had plenty in common. The ships are
so vast that you don't often run into the same people twice, so if you
get stuck with some undesirables, you probably won't see them again.
Don't equate vastness with crowded - despite being full of 3,500
passengers, at every time of the day we could sit wherever we chose, in
many cases withought being in sight of any other passengers. We never
went to the shows though, which are probably quite busy.
Thanks for that. I'll have a look at what Princess has to offer.

Rotaa
Sally Thompson
2018-03-25 09:12:49 UTC
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We thought that, but we were very pleasantly surprised. Each cruise
line attracts a different client base - we've been on Princess which is
about 90% retired American professionals - doctors, lawyers, engineers,
teachers, professors - with whom we had plenty in common. The ships are
so vast that you don't often run into the same people twice, so if you
get stuck with some undesirables, you probably won't see them again.
Don't equate vastness with crowded - despite being full of 3,500
passengers, at every time of the day we could sit wherever we chose, in
many cases withought being in sight of any other passengers. We never
went to the shows though, which are probably quite busy.
Thanks for that. I'll have a look at what Princess has to offer.
Rotaa
Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.

Their ships are fairly small compared with cruise ships, there is zero
entertainment except for a library, and you have the interest of seeing the
cargo on and off.

You talked about ferries. On one occasion we took the Harwich to Hook route
overnight on a deal (Dutch flyer?) which included train travel anywhere in
the Netherlands. It was very cheap and the overnight ferry was the
equivalent of a hotel night but more fun.
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Rosalind Mitchell
2018-03-25 10:38:27 UTC
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Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.
All good stuff. Although Norway deserves a trip all of its own don't
you think? So one for later. Meanwhile I'm heading for Sweden/Finland
after all the Scandi Noir I've been wallowing in over the last year or
so.
Post by Sally Thompson
You talked about ferries. On one occasion we took the Harwich to Hook route
overnight on a deal (Dutch flyer?) which included train travel anywhere in
the Netherlands. It was very cheap and the overnight ferry was the
equivalent of a hotel night but more fun.
Whereas the Lerwick-Aberdeen ferry combines a hotel night with the
biggest, scariest rollercoaster you ever saw. With jolly Peterhead
fisherfolk mercilessly taking the piss.

Rotaa
the Omrud
2018-03-25 10:43:50 UTC
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Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.
All good stuff. Although Norway deserves a trip all of its own don't
you think? So one for later. Meanwhile I'm heading for Sweden/Finland
after all the Scandi Noir I've been wallowing in over the last year or
so.
In that case, don't go in the summer. They turn unto Noir countries
when the daylight disappears in October.

Oslo is one of my favourite European cities.
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Sally Thompson
2018-03-25 14:20:14 UTC
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Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.
All good stuff. Although Norway deserves a trip all of its own don't
you think? So one for later. Meanwhile I'm heading for Sweden/Finland
after all the Scandi Noir I've been wallowing in over the last year or
so.
In that case, don't go in the summer. They turn unto Noir countries
when the daylight disappears in October.
Oslo is one of my favourite European cities.
We loved Oslo. Worth visiting the Viking Museum: there’s a bus which will
take you there. Also the Vigeland Sculpture Park. Google will be your
friend for further details.
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the Omrud
2018-03-25 17:36:05 UTC
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Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.
All good stuff. Although Norway deserves a trip all of its own don't
you think? So one for later. Meanwhile I'm heading for Sweden/Finland
after all the Scandi Noir I've been wallowing in over the last year or
so.
In that case, don't go in the summer. They turn unto Noir countries
when the daylight disappears in October.
Oslo is one of my favourite European cities.
We loved Oslo. Worth visiting the Viking Museum: there’s a bus which will
take you there. Also the Vigeland Sculpture Park. Google will be your
friend for further details.
We saw a huge amount in one long day ashore in Oslo. We bought a
one-day pass on public transport (persuading the agent that we were
entitled to the Retired Person's discount) and racked up our biggest
ever step count of 33,000.

Right next to the Viking Museum is the Norsk Folkemuseum. I could have
spent more than a day just visting that. I was particularly taken with
this wooden church. The whole thing is made of wood - even the roof tiles.

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https://norskfolkemuseum.no/en
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LFS
2018-03-26 04:47:23 UTC
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Oslo is one of my favourite European cities.
We loved Oslo. Worth visiting the Viking Museum: there’s a bus which will
take you there.  Also the Vigeland Sculpture Park. Google will be your
friend for further details.
We saw a huge amount in one long day ashore in Oslo.  We bought a
one-day pass on public transport (persuading the agent that we were
entitled to the Retired Person's discount) and racked up our biggest
ever step count of 33,000.
Right next to the Viking Museum is the Norsk Folkemuseum.  I could have
spent more than a day just visting that.  I was particularly taken with
this wooden church.  The whole thing is made of wood - even the roof tiles.
https://www.farhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Gol-stave-church-in-Folks-museum-Oslo-Fotolia.jpg
https://norskfolkemuseum.no/en
We really enjoyed that too. I regretted not getting to the Opera House.

I hated the Vigeland sculpture park, made me feel deeply uncomfortable.
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Penny
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I hated the Vigeland sculpture park, made me feel deeply uncomfortable.
Intrigued by this I had a look at some photos. Apart from the long-haired
young woman dancing it does seem to have a lot of angry people doing
unpleasant things to each other.
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LFS
2018-03-26 04:28:25 UTC
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We thought that, but we were very pleasantly surprised. Each cruise
line attracts a different client base - we've been on Princess which is
about 90% retired American professionals - doctors, lawyers, engineers,
teachers, professors - with whom we had plenty in common. The ships are
so vast that you don't often run into the same people twice, so if you
get stuck with some undesirables, you probably won't see them again.
Don't equate vastness with crowded - despite being full of 3,500
passengers, at every time of the day we could sit wherever we chose, in
many cases withought being in sight of any other passengers. We never
went to the shows though, which are probably quite busy.
Thanks for that. I'll have a look at what Princess has to offer.
Rotaa
Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.
Their ships are fairly small compared with cruise ships, there is zero
entertainment except for a library, and you have the interest of seeing the
cargo on and off.
Agree, enthusiastically. We met some really interesting people who were
travelling short stretches, including a train driver who collected
ancient Norwegian musical instruments. He had a suitcase full of of
horns for which he had knitted protective covers. He gave a recital in
the bar one evening.
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Nick Odell
2018-03-26 15:10:31 UTC
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We thought that, but we were very pleasantly surprised. Each cruise
line attracts a different client base - we've been on Princess which is
about 90% retired American professionals - doctors, lawyers, engineers,
teachers, professors - with whom we had plenty in common. The ships are
so vast that you don't often run into the same people twice, so if you
get stuck with some undesirables, you probably won't see them again.
Don't equate vastness with crowded - despite being full of 3,500
passengers, at every time of the day we could sit wherever we chose, in
many cases withought being in sight of any other passengers. We never
went to the shows though, which are probably quite busy.
Thanks for that. I'll have a look at what Princess has to offer.
Rotaa
Late to the party, but if you’re going Scandi and would like to include
Norway, I recommend the Hurtigruten. Absolutely not a cruise, but a ferry
with benefits. You can do the odd sector, get off and get the train, etc.
We’ve been on it twice for two Norwegian coastal trips, and once on a
maiden voyage from Tower Bridge down the Thames and into major cities up
the river approach.
Their ships are fairly small compared with cruise ships, there is zero
entertainment except for a library, and you have the interest of seeing the
cargo on and off.
You talked about ferries. On one occasion we took the Harwich to Hook route
overnight on a deal (Dutch flyer?) which included train travel anywhere in
the Netherlands. It was very cheap and the overnight ferry was the
equivalent of a hotel night but more fun.
Until this thread had got going I had never realised now many umrats
were enthusiasts for Cruising.

Nick
Mike
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Until this thread had got going I had never realised now many umrats
were enthusiasts for Cruising.
Nick
You always thought it was just plain sailing did you?
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LFS
2018-03-26 04:45:28 UTC
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It's been a while since I had a good break, and I've never been to the
Nordic lands (unless you count Scotland, because in some ways it
is). So I'm thinking seriously of taking a break which would involve
flying[1] to Copenhagen, crossing The Bridge to Malmö, taking a train to
Stockholm and then crossing to Finland on the ferry and making my way
to Helsinki. I've thought about cruises and I may yet do one before I
fall into a final terminal decline, but I'm wary of the sort of people
who might go in cruises (umratic company excepted of course)
We thought that, but we were very pleasantly surprised.  Each cruise
line attracts a different client base - we've been on Princess which is
about 90% retired American professionals - doctors, lawyers, engineers,
teachers, professors - with whom we had plenty in common.
We've travelled with Princess several times too and like them. Our
experience with Celebrity was ... worrying. I wouldn't travel with them
again (happy to go into more detail by email if anyrat is contemplating
such.)

The passenger mix varies according to the route IME. Mediterranean
cruises seem to be mostly Brits.

The ships are
so vast that you don't often run into the same people twice, so if you
get stuck with some undesirables, you probably won't see them again.
And the dining choices mean that you aren't stuck with tedious company
at dinner.
Don't equate vastness with crowded - despite being full of 3,500
passengers, at every time of the day we could sit wherever we chose, in
many cases withought being in sight of any other passengers.
Indeed. It's quite surprising to discover this.

We never
went to the shows though, which are probably quite busy.
We found that some of the lectures attracted big audiences as did
cookery demonstrations.
Post by Rosalind Mitchell
and anyway would prefer to go city-crawling and mingling with natives.
Right, but that's exactly what we do at most ports.  We don't take the
organised tours;  we buy a guide book (there are specialised ones for
cruise passengers with only one day) and plan our own visit by public
transport and walking.  The huge bonus is that your hotel magically
moves to a different city each night, and most of the Baltic ports are
easily explored directly from the ship.  Some passengers went back on
board for lunch every day because it was free.
We do a great deal of preparation which pays off handsomely, especially
if the ship docks some way from the centre of a city. We especially
enjoyed Venice where we passed many passengers waiting in the heat for
water taxis while we walked to the very cheap People Mover.

Occasionally organised tours can take you to places which might
otherwise be difficult to reach. The best one we did was to Santiago de
Compostela. We had docked at Vigo where there didn't seem to be much to
do so on impulse we took the tour. We had an excellent guide who gave us
a very informative lecture about the area and, best of all, it was 1
November and we got to see the botafumeiro, the swinging incense burner,
which was stunning. Many of the tourist shops were closed, too, another
bonus, but the bakeries were open and offering freebies of the local
almond cakes.

And cruises are ideal for travellers in wheelchairs, who tend to be very
well catered for.
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2018-03-26 14:20:39 UTC
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Our experience with Celebrity was ... worrying.
We did Celebrity to Norway and are taking a sister ship the the Baltic
and would not have done so if unhappy. YMMV as they say.
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2018-03-26 15:22:52 UTC
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Our experience with Celebrity was ... worrying.
We did Celebrity to Norway and are taking a sister ship the the Baltic
and would not have done so if unhappy.  YMMV as they say.
Indeed. We went to Norway. Everything was fine apart from the safety
procedures which were rather different from our experience with other
cruise lines. I raised my concern with the company chairman when we got
home and was not happy with the response.
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2018-03-26 17:09:44 UTC
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And cruises are ideal for travellers in wheelchairs, who tend to be very
well catered for.
Now this is interesting to know. Although Ma is not in a wheelchair,
she has mobility issues and would probably want to use a walker rather
than a crutch for getting about. One of her friends keeps telling her
she should try cruising, but I'm not entirely sure I'd want to try
cruising with her!
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Jenny M Benson
2018-03-26 19:43:13 UTC
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And cruises are ideal for travellers in wheelchairs, who tend to be very
well catered for.
Now this is interesting to know. Although Ma is not in a wheelchair,
she has mobility issues and would probably want to use a walker rather
than a crutch for getting about. One of her friends keeps telling her
she should try cruising, but I'm not entirely sure I'd want to try
cruising with her!
My late broil was pretty much immobile for his last few years and he and
sis found (river) cruises were ideal: she could go off and tour or
wander and he would be well cared for on board with plenty of people to
talk to.

Sis was enthusing about river cruises to some friends recently and
pointed out that the advantage of a smaller river cruise boat, in
addition to there being plenty to see from on board, was that the boats
can dock very near to the centre of towns.
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And cruises are ideal for travellers in wheelchairs, who tend to be very
well catered for.
Now this is interesting to know. Although Ma is not in a wheelchair,
she has mobility issues and would probably want to use a walker rather
than a crutch for getting about. One of her friends keeps telling her
she should try cruising, but I'm not entirely sure I'd want to try
cruising with her!
My late broil was pretty much immobile for his last few years and he and
sis found (river) cruises were ideal: she could go off and tour or
wander and he would be well cared for on board with plenty of people to
talk to.
Sis was enthusing about river cruises to some friends recently and
pointed out that the advantage of a smaller river cruise boat, in
addition to there being plenty to see from on board, was that the boats
can dock very near to the centre of towns.
For these reasons this is likely to be the only cruise I might join. Could
not manage too many aspects of the others.
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Some passengers went back on board for lunch every day because it was free.
I am staying on board in St Petersburg if we go there because you cannot
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Some passengers went back on board for lunch every day because it was free.
I am staying on board in St Petersburg if we go there because you cannot
just wander ashore.
But you will miss the winter/summer palace and see at first hand the gross
lack of taste possessed by the Romanoffs. Its like they rose every morning
and exclaimed: what shall we spend money on today? It turned me an
interesting shade of pink I have not seen in myself before.
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Some passengers went back on board for lunch every day because it was free.
I am staying on board in St Petersburg if we go there because you cannot
just wander ashore.
But you will miss the winter/summer palace and see at first hand the gross
lack of taste possessed by the Romanoffs. Its like they rose every morning
and exclaimed: what shall we spend money on today? It turned me an
interesting shade of pink I have not seen in myself before.
But I have been before - in the last century!
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Some passengers went back on board for lunch every day because it was free.
I am staying on board in St Petersburg if we go there because you cannot
just wander ashore.
But you will miss the winter/summer palace and see at first hand the gross
lack of taste possessed by the Romanoffs. Its like they rose every morning
and exclaimed: what shall we spend money on today? It turned me an
interesting shade of pink I have not seen in myself before.
But I have been before - in the last century!
So It seems from another post. I wouldn’t get off the boat a second time
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[1] I'd go by ferry but to my horror there are NO ferries from
Scotland to anywhere outside the UK any more, and no ferries from
England to Scandi any more either. The best I could come up with was
to go all the way down to Harwich, take the ferry to the Hoek van
Holland, then train to Hamburg and onwards from there. Not worth the
hassle.
All sunk by cheap flights I would guess. Does Harwich to Denmark no
longer run. Was proper stick when we did that. After dinner too.
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And what is wrong with that? Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
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another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors. And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
Ah, I hadn't realised you were doing it in that direction. Nice. (Is it
after March - I presume so - in which case it'll be after Brexit?)
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(Is it after March - I presume so - in which case it'll be after Brexit?)
It will be July and we will still be in Brexit transition so all will be
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that? Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors. And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
Must have touched a nerve? The context was about the possibility of
needing an extended period of absence. I could only think of something
like a long cruise. Or medical treatment but that sounded alarmist and
negative. Would rather imagine them on a cruise; they might even be paid to
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olk seem to need go on cruises
And what is wrong with that?  Enjoyed all my cruises so far and off on
another one this summer providing St Petersburg does not get closed to
visitors.  And probably doing the Rhine from Amsterdam next year.
We did a Baltic cruise some years ago and enjoyed it very much. The
Hermitage was stunning. Suggest you watch the film "Russian Ark" before
going there.

We're doing Basel to Amsterdam in June. Very expensive compared to sea
cruises but then there are no sea days for persuading passengers to
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We did a Baltic cruise some years ago and enjoyed it very much. The
Hermitage was stunning. Suggest you watch the film "Russian Ark" before
going there.
A great film, but it came out after our time there. We spent a
day only scratching the surface of what the Hermitage had to
offer, and encountered a tour group who swept in and were told
that they had half an hour to wander freely before they had to be
back on their coach.

We visited Moscow and stayed where BOFE had lived during her
studies there. We thought we had picked a time when Moscow might
be between the cold winter and hot summer... wrong! They had the
coldest June day for 30 years (6C) and snowflakes were apparently
sighted. My camera finger nearly froze, and we were so perished
that we even took refuge in a McDonald's.

We then took an overnight train to St Petersburg. We were handed
out a plastic widget to put around the compartment door handle,
to stop it being opened from outside, and a length of wood to be
jammed in place as a secondary system of security. Thankfully,
the journey was uneventful.

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The Hermitage was stunning.
It is - so we are taking a repeat visit.
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The Hermitage was stunning.
It is - so we are taking a repeat visit.
So you are getting off the boat?
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The Hermitage was stunning.
It is - so we are taking a repeat visit.
So you are getting off the boat?
One day - but not the other as we have two days there!
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other. It looks as if both
might be going silent for a while.
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other. It looks as if both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
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might be going silent for a while.
I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.

How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.

But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo. Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo. Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo. Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
I have put him on my list to ensure he is not missed.
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo. Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
I have put him on my list to ensure he is not missed.
Wot? Gilbert or Sullivan?
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.

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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
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Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
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I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
Its worse than I thought. Its an epidemic. The Government should do
something.
Forrest, T.?

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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break
from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age
when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
Post by Btms
folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
Its worse than I thought. Its an epidemic. The Government should do
something.
Forrest, T.?
john (possibly only on remand)
B4 my time; I only know of it through umra.
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My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end
up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
Its worse than I thought. Its an epidemic. The Government should do
something.
Forrest, T.?
john (possibly only on remand)
Yes, I think he got away with it ^W^W^W off.
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My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
Its worse than I thought. Its an epidemic. The Government should do
something.
Forrest, T.?
john (possibly only on remand)
Yes, I think he got away with it ^W^W^W off.
Yup.

Bob Arnold (T Forrest's best friend) told a tale about someone stopping
him in the street - most concerned that he had broken out of prison (T
Forrest was then on remand on a charge of murder).
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
Post by Btms
folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break
from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age
when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
Post by Btms
folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end
up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Not to mention Alf Grundy.
john
Its worse than I thought. Its an epidemic. The Government should do
something.
“It didn’t ought to be allowed Mr. Mayor Sir”
Won't Kirsty and Tom be on police files somewhere for protesting and
Jill for throwing flaphacks? David is an undiscovered offender - The
badger. Toby is definitely iffy.
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
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folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo.  Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
I don't think we have any knowledge of Susan's uncle. The rick burner
was one of her brothers. I think it may have been Keith. He certainly
has been to jail, it was mentioned in the 2009 Who's Who.
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I have been wondering if Charles and Judy want a long break from the
schedule.
Given their ages they are probably glad to have the work!
I think CG does well enough by many accounts but they are of an age when
I was going to say "Charles plays Brine not Snappy", but that's CC; is
Snappy's BF also called Charles?
Post by Btms
folk seem to need go on cruises and such like.
Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other.  It looks as if
both
I know - I attended an event given by them, in north London, some
decades ago, with another UMRAt.
might be going silent for a while.
I hope it is just a while. I suppose it have to be significant time, or
they could just fall silent for a while. I'm wondering whether they
actually want to leave.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't realised that. Shula maybe, but Biriani? With the current
storyline?
As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
In which case Susan will really be part of the family and can swap stories
with Jenny:-)
My uninformed hunch is that after an initial shock to the system he would
be transferred to an Open Prison.
But isn’t it getting a little tiresome that so many Ambridge folk end up in
prison imo. Cloive, Soozan, Matt, Hellbent......?
I hadn't realised there are so many until you pointed it out. There's
another from the Horrobin clan, the one who set fire to Ruth's rick.
Susan's uncle?
Alf Grundy was in prison for years.

Sincerely Chris
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Almost enough for a TV show, they just need a host...

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Almost enough for a TV show, they just need a host...
And nobody's mentioned Jeffrey Archer yet, thank goodness.

Ooops...
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
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I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
light.
But if what Brian did was legal at the time?
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
light.
But if what Brian did was legal at the time?
Then he walks.
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
light.
But if what Brian did was legal at the time?
Then he walks.
But what will the charge be?

If it was 'dumping' it would be pre-1990 ( Environmental Protection Act
1990. )

If it was 'storing' [fly tipping] it would be post 1990.

If (as is likely) it is 'contamination' then current sentencing
procedures would apply.

Could be up to 4 years custodial - but probably a middling fine.
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
light.
But if what Brian did was legal at the time?
Then he walks.
But what will the charge be?
If it was 'dumping' it would be pre-1990 ( Environmental Protection Act
1990. )
If it was 'storing' [fly tipping] it would be post 1990.
If (as is likely) it is 'contamination' then current sentencing
procedures would apply.
Could be up to 4 years custodial - but probably a middling fine.
It is looking like Judy and Charles want to take a break from TA, so a
prison sentence of a year or two for Brian might suit them nicely, while
Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
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It is looking like Judy and Charles want to take a break from TA, so a
prison sentence of a year or two for Brian might suit them nicely, while
Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
I have been following the thread but seem to have missed why they want
a break. Was it their age?
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It is looking like Judy and Charles want to take a break from TA, so a
prison sentence of a year or two for Brian might suit them nicely, while
Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
I have been following the thread but seem to have missed why they want
a break. Was it their age?
We don't know that they do, but they both have story lines that could
lead to their disappearance. It has therefore occurred to some of us
that they might want to have a break or retire. Charles is coming up for
75, and Judy is about the same, so it would be understandable if they
did want to.
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It is looking like Judy and Charles want to take a break from TA, so a
prison sentence of a year or two for Brian might suit them nicely, while
Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
I have been following the thread but seem to have missed why they want
a break. Was it their age?
We don't know that they do, but they both have story lines that could
lead to their disappearance. It has therefore occurred to some of us
that they might want to have a break or retire. Charles is coming up for
75, and Judy is about the same, so it would be understandable if they
did want to.
Otoh, we could still have the denouement that Shula finally admits that Dr
Locke’s attentions are what she wants.

Sincerely Chris
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Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
Phwoar. Bit of a Goa, that Shula, eh?
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
light.
But if what Brian did was legal at the time?
Then he walks.
But what will the charge be?
If it was 'dumping' it would be pre-1990 ( Environmental Protection Act
1990. )
If it was 'storing' [fly tipping] it would be post 1990.
If (as is likely) it is 'contamination' then current sentencing
procedures would apply.
Could be up to 4 years custodial - but probably a middling fine.
It is looking like Judy and Charles want to take a break from TA, so a
prison sentence of a year or two for Brian might suit them nicely, while
Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
Under BBC (burr, REPETITION!) guidelines, savings must be made, thus, mic.
cables are to restricted in length to cut costs; the lines will not reach
to even the nearest prison,* thus, we will not hear from Brine - nor Saint
Shula.

*For the very same financial reason, mobile recordings and O.B.’s are
severely constrained and reserved for political scandal and upper ranks
going on ‘Jollies’.
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
Now shurely. We wouldn’t hang a villain now if a premed murder came to
light.
But if what Brian did was legal at the time?
Then he walks.
But what will the charge be?
If it was 'dumping' it would be pre-1990 ( Environmental Protection Act
1990. )
If it was 'storing' [fly tipping] it would be post 1990.
If (as is likely) it is 'contamination' then current sentencing
procedures would apply.
Could be up to 4 years custodial - but probably a middling fine.
It is looking like Judy and Charles want to take a break from TA, so a
prison sentence of a year or two for Brian might suit them nicely, while
Shula goes off to her equine charity in Goa for a bit longer that
originally suggested.
Under BBC (burr, REPETITION!) guidelines, savings must be made, thus, mic.
cables are to restricted in length to cut costs; the lines will not reach
to even the nearest prison,* thus, we will not hear from Brine - nor Saint
Shula.
*For the very same financial reason, mobile recordings and O.B.’s are
severely constrained and reserved for political scandal and upper ranks
going on ‘Jollies’.
But but but!

Have you any idea how much it costs to keep a felon (not Fallon) in prison?

Chucking Biryani into chokey for 6 months would blow the budget for the
next five years.

No no! There must be some other way out of this.

Perhaps Biryani can hire a super lawyer (one of Trump's cast-offs?) who
will get him off with a caution.
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A murder before surgery? I thought it was the other way round.
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules at
that time. Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective. I
remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed out
that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence were
significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the offences
were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules at
that time. Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective. I
remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed out
that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence were
significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the offences
were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
Sounds right but as I said upalong we wouldn’t hang some for a murder
committed years ago.
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2018-03-26 08:22:52 UTC
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules at
that time. Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective. I
remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed out
that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence were
significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the offences
were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
Sounds right but as I said upalong we wouldn’t hang some for a murder
committed years ago.
Agreed. I think that was one of the rare occasions when the law was
made retrospective.
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules at
that time.  Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective.  I
remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed out
that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence were
significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the offences
were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
Without having actually looked at any of the law my guess is that the
time of discovery rather than the time of transgression would have a lot
to do with it. This could be an interesting discussion to take to
uk.legal.moderated.

Nick
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2018-03-26 17:51:22 UTC
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules
at that time.  Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective.
I remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed
out that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence
were significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the
offences were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
 Without having actually looked at any of the law my guess is that the
time of discovery rather than the time of transgression would have a lot
to do with it. This could be an interesting discussion to take to
uk.legal.moderated.
That didn't seem to be how it worked with the historic abuse cases. It
was the law as it stood, when the crime was committed which was applied.

<http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/07/historical-crimes-historical-sentences/>
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules
at that time.  Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective.
I remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed
out that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence
were significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the
offences were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
 Without having actually looked at any of the law my guess is that
 the
time of discovery rather than the time of transgression would have a
lot to do with it. This could be an interesting discussion to take to
uk.legal.moderated.
That didn't seem to be how it worked with the historic abuse cases. It
was the law as it stood, when the crime was committed which was applied.
<http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/07/historical-crimes-
historical-sentences/>

Surely the general principle is to apply whichever is the more lenient.
So "historic homosexual acts" aren't punished as they're no longer
illegal, historic murderers aren't hanged, but historic sex abusers (a
rare example of the law becoming less lenient) are punished according to
the law at the time. Anything else would be unjust.
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Post by Jim Easterbrook
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like
something that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no
previous record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the
same way as working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for
this offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be
punished as per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules
at that time.  Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective.
I remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed
out that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence
were significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the
offences were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
 Without having actually looked at any of the law my guess is that
 the
time of discovery rather than the time of transgression would have a
lot to do with it. This could be an interesting discussion to take to
uk.legal.moderated.
That didn't seem to be how it worked with the historic abuse cases. It
was the law as it stood, when the crime was committed which was applied.
<http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/07/historical-crimes-
historical-sentences/>
Surely the general principle is to apply whichever is the more lenient.
So "historic homosexual acts" aren't punished as they're no longer
illegal, historic murderers aren't hanged, but historic sex abusers (a
rare example of the law becoming less lenient) are punished according to
the law at the time. Anything else would be unjust.
Sounds right. Otoh do I smell a sentencing committee or several?
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As Brian said, there could be a custodial sentence.
How long a sentence is he likely to get though? It sounds like something
that would merit some years in prison.
I wouldn't expect a prison sentence. No one died and he has no previous
record. Middle class crime (criminals) is not treated the same way as
working class crime (criminals).
I have wondered whether (if there had been any change in penalty for this
offence over the years since it was committed), Brine would be punished as
per the requirements at that time or now?
I'm pretty sure that, as a general rule, it would be as per the rules
at that time.  Changes in the law are very rarely made retrospective.
I remember there being a lot of muttering, in some parts of the press,
over one or two of the sentences for historic abuse. It was pointed
out that the sentencing rules / guidelines at the time of the offence
were significantly more lenient than the current rules and, if the
offences were committed today, they would attract much higher sentences.
 Without having actually looked at any of the law my guess is that the
time of discovery rather than the time of transgression would have a lot
to do with it. This could be an interesting discussion to take to
uk.legal.moderated.
Nick
In some cases it could be unclear when a crime had taken place. In such
cases it might not be obvious which law applied at the time.
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Brian & Shula’s best mates are married to each other. It looks as if both
might be going silent for a while.
Both will be entertaining us for a good while - it is merely a replay of
Brookfield moving to Scotland or somewhere remote.
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Why is Justin so out of touch? Every major retailer is closing stores
around the country. Online retailing has squished many.
What he is proposing alongside the market is total nonsense - and Martin
Gibson is no better.
What they should be building are a major warehouse and a depot for a
parcels distribution company and getting Amazon or someone else involved
sooner rather than later.
Both proposals should be laughed at by the independent board members.
If its funny, I may start listening again. I am having a sabbatical atm.
I don’t count what sounds like Shula and Alice Stair separating as
negative (I only know of this from umra).
Are Charles and Judy wanting a long break for any reason? Hope they are
both well.
Brain is going down the pan at a great rate of flushes and Shulie is
cantering with lots of (s)nags behind her.
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I don’t count what sounds like Shula and Alice Stair separating as
negative (I only know of this fr
Are Charles and Judy wanting a long break for any reason? Hope they are
both well.
I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
Christine and Peggy must die. Christine could fall over Hilda Ogden and
break her neck. And the cat’s, come to think of it. After a muted pauper’s
funeral, her will can reveal that all her cash went into Matt’s scam. Peggy
will peg it shortly after.

Harrison can get a promotion to another force. He and Fallon marry in a
quiet ceremony, then go to Cumberland. Ed’s Texels pay off so he and Emma
move into one of the new houses. Lindy retires from all dramatic production
and becomes non-speaking, while everyone comments on what a devoted
grandmother she is, always up in London seeing. Toby goes to Brighton and
decides to stay there.

Adam and Ian split up in a barrage of recriminations after Lexi dies in
childbirth. Ian can go wherever he likes: we don’t care. Alistair and Shula
have to sell The Stables when they divorce. He and Anisha set up a practice
in Felpersham and become non- speaking. He and Jim get a flat together
there. Jazzer returns to Glasgow to attend to an ailing family member but
is stabbed to death in a pub brawl.

Hayley returns to live with Roy. Jill dies. Josh joins the Army after a
long (telephone) chat with Dan. Henry is sent to boarding school as soon as
possible.

Shula and Dr Death get back together. The Bull becomes very quiet with the
clientèle disappearing and Kenton and Jolene go bankrupt. They take on the
tenancy of a cheaper place in Borchester and only appear in occasional
mentions. Justin buys The Bull and turns it into luxury flats, sold to
non-speaking incomers.

Kate goes back to SA, to bring up her children. Alice goes into lengthy
rehab. It fails, so she goes away again.

The truth comes out about Brian. Neil said that a builder, one of brothers
whose name began with B, had attended the meeting that Brian held in the
village hall to allay the fears of villagers. They are keeping an eye on
him.

Justin has a bad fall during the hunt and is confined to a wheelchair
thereafter. He goes to Stoke Mandeville for lengthy treatment.

Would that save enough money?
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Would that save enough money?
No. There will be a lot of money needed to pay the taxes and NI of
genuine employees forced into fake PSC's

#NotBitterAboutIR35atAll
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No. There will be a lot of money needed to pay the taxes and NI of
genuine employees forced into fake PSC's
As a "respected" National Employer the BBC should have set an example
and never had any staff who were contractors especially the DG - Birt
wasn't it?
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[)
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I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
[]
Post by SODAM
Would that save enough money?
No. Actors are paid per appearance. What we need are episodes with fewer
caharacters. Maybe a monologue?
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I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
[]
Post by SODAM
Would that save enough money?
No. Actors are paid per appearance. What we need are episodes with fewer
caharacters. Maybe a monologue?
That's it.

Keep all the characters, but make TA an internal monologue by (say)
David, who muses on the events around Ambridge each evening as he rounds
up the sheep (or whatever).
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I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
[]
Post by SODAM
Would that save enough money?
No. Actors are paid per appearance. What we need are episodes with fewer
caharacters. Maybe a monologue?
That's it.
Keep all the characters, but make TA an internal monologue by (say)
David, who muses on the events around Ambridge each evening as he rounds
up the sheep (or whatever).
Like a modern-day Tom Forrest? Good idea.
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I don’t count what sounds like Shula and Alice Stair separating as
negative (I only know of this fr
Are Charles and Judy wanting a long break for any reason? Hope they are
both well.
I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
Christine and Peggy must die. Christine could fall over Hilda Ogden and
break her neck. And the cat’s, come to think of it. After a muted pauper’s
funeral, her will can reveal that all her cash went into Matt’s scam. Peggy
will peg it shortly after.
Harrison can get a promotion to another force. He and Fallon marry in a
quiet ceremony, then go to Cumberland. Ed’s Texels pay off so he and Emma
move into one of the new houses. Lindy retires from all dramatic production
and becomes non-speaking, while everyone comments on what a devoted
grandmother she is, always up in London seeing. Toby goes to Brighton and
decides to stay there.
Adam and Ian split up in a barrage of recriminations after Lexi dies in
childbirth. Ian can go wherever he likes: we don’t care. Alistair and Shula
have to sell The Stables when they divorce. He and Anisha set up a practice
in Felpersham and become non- speaking. He and Jim get a flat together
there. Jazzer returns to Glasgow to attend to an ailing family member but
is stabbed to death in a pub brawl.
Hayley returns to live with Roy. Jill dies. Josh joins the Army after a
long (telephone) chat with Dan. Henry is sent to boarding school as soon as
possible.
Shula and Dr Death get back together. The Bull becomes very quiet with the
clientèle disappearing and Kenton and Jolene go bankrupt. They take on the
tenancy of a cheaper place in Borchester and only appear in occasional
mentions. Justin buys The Bull and turns it into luxury flats, sold to
non-speaking incomers.
Kate goes back to SA, to bring up her children. Alice goes into lengthy
rehab. It fails, so she goes away again.
The truth comes out about Brian. Neil said that a builder, one of brothers
whose name began with B, had attended the meeting that Brian held in the
village hall to allay the fears of villagers. They are keeping an eye on
him.
Justin has a bad fall during the hunt and is confined to a wheelchair
thereafter. He goes to Stoke Mandeville for lengthy treatment.
Would that save enough money?
Brilliant! Who would be left for us to listen to? The Brookfield lot and
Elizabeth? I'd be happy if Ruth became non-speaking or worse. If she
carries on with her detective work about the dumping maybe Jenny, in a
fit of misplaced loyalty to Brian, could invite her to dinner and poison
her?
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I don’t count what sounds like Shula and Alice Stair separating as
negative (I only know of this fr
Are Charles and Judy wanting a long break for any reason? Hope they are
both well.
I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
Christine and Peggy must die. Christine could fall over Hilda Ogden and
break her neck. And the cat’s, come to think of it. After a muted pauper’s
funeral, her will can reveal that all her cash went into Matt’s scam. Peggy
will peg it shortly after.
Harrison can get a promotion to another force. He and Fallon marry in a
quiet ceremony, then go to Cumberland. Ed’s Texels pay off so he and Emma
move into one of the new houses. Lindy retires from all dramatic production
and becomes non-speaking, while everyone comments on what a devoted
grandmother she is, always up in London seeing. Toby goes to Brighton and
decides to stay there.
Adam and Ian split up in a barrage of recriminations after Lexi dies in
childbirth. Ian can go wherever he likes: we don’t care. Alistair and Shula
have to sell The Stables when they divorce. He and Anisha set up a practice
in Felpersham and become non- speaking. He and Jim get a flat together
there. Jazzer returns to Glasgow to attend to an ailing family member but
is stabbed to death in a pub brawl.
Hayley returns to live with Roy. Jill dies. Josh joins the Army after a
long (telephone) chat with Dan. Henry is sent to boarding school as soon as
possible.
Shula and Dr Death get back together. The Bull becomes very quiet with the
clientèle disappearing and Kenton and Jolene go bankrupt. They take on the
tenancy of a cheaper place in Borchester and only appear in occasional
mentions. Justin buys The Bull and turns it into luxury flats, sold to
non-speaking incomers.
Kate goes back to SA, to bring up her children. Alice goes into lengthy
rehab. It fails, so she goes away again.
The truth comes out about Brian. Neil said that a builder, one of brothers
whose name began with B, had attended the meeting that Brian held in the
village hall to allay the fears of villagers. They are keeping an eye on
him.
Justin has a bad fall during the hunt and is confined to a wheelchair
thereafter. He goes to Stoke Mandeville for lengthy treatment.
Would that save enough money?
Brilliant! Who would be left for us to listen to? The Brookfield lot and
Elizabeth? I'd be happy if Ruth became non-speaking or worse. If she
carries on with her detective work about the dumping maybe Jenny, in a
fit of misplaced loyalty to Brian, could invite her to dinner and poison
her?
Great idea but could it be Brian who poisons her? He’s going to prison
anyway. Might as well get him the full set of moustachioes (?)
with a life sentence.
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2018-03-26 09:02:04 UTC
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I don’t count what sounds like Shula and Alice Stair separating as
negative (I only know of this fr
Are Charles and Judy wanting a long break for any reason? Hope they are
both well.
I think that the Beeb has spent so much on high-profile editors, golden
hellos and golden handshakes that there is nothing left in TA budget.
Therefore the order has gone out - get rid of actors.
Christine and Peggy must die. Christine could fall over Hilda Ogden and
break her neck. And the cat’s, come to think of it. After a muted pauper’s
funeral, her will can reveal that all her cash went into Matt’s scam. Peggy
will peg it shortly after.
Harrison can get a promotion to another force. He and Fallon marry in a
quiet ceremony, then go to Cumberland. Ed’s Texels pay off so he and Emma
move into one of the new houses. Lindy retires from all dramatic production
and becomes non-speaking, while everyone comments on what a devoted
grandmother she is, always up in London seeing. Toby goes to Brighton and
decides to stay there.
Adam and Ian split up in a barrage of recriminations after Lexi dies in
childbirth. Ian can go wherever he likes: we don’t care. Alistair and Shula
have to sell The Stables when they divorce. He and Anisha set up a practice
in Felpersham and become non- speaking. He and Jim get a flat together
there. Jazzer returns to Glasgow to attend to an ailing family member but
is stabbed to death in a pub brawl.
Hayley returns to live with Roy. Jill dies. Josh joins the Army after a
long (telephone) chat with Dan. Henry is sent to boarding school as soon as
possible.
Shula and Dr Death get back together. The Bull becomes very quiet with the
clientèle disappearing and Kenton and Jolene go bankrupt. They take on the
tenancy of a cheaper place in Borchester and only appear in occasional
mentions. Justin buys The Bull and turns it into luxury flats, sold to
non-speaking incomers.
Kate goes back to SA, to bring up her children. Alice goes into lengthy
rehab. It fails, so she goes away again.
The truth comes out about Brian. Neil said that a builder, one of brothers
whose name began with B, had attended the meeting that Brian held in the
village hall to allay the fears of villagers. They are keeping an eye on
him.
Justin has a bad fall during the hunt and is confined to a wheelchair
thereafter. He goes to Stoke Mandeville for lengthy treatment.
Would that save enough money?
Brilliant! Who would be left for us to listen to? The Brookfield lot and
Elizabeth? I'd be happy if Ruth became non-speaking or worse. If she
carries on with her detective work about the dumping maybe Jenny, in a
fit of misplaced loyalty to Brian, could invite her to dinner and poison
her?
And Lizzy’s heart problem re-emerges....
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Brilliant! Who would be left for us to listen to? The Brookfield lot and
Elizabeth? I'd be happy if Ruth became non-speaking or worse. If she
carries on with her detective work about the dumping maybe Jenny, in a
fit of misplaced loyalty to Brian, could invite her to dinner and poison
her?
And Lizzy’s heart problem re-emerges....
My heart is in my hand ...
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yeuch.
(Tom Lehrer)
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Brilliant! Who would be left for us to listen to? The Brookfield lot and
Elizabeth? I'd be happy if Ruth became non-speaking or worse. If she
carries on with her detective work about the dumping maybe Jenny, in a
fit of misplaced loyalty to Brian, could invite her to dinner and poison
her?
Well we've heard nothing from Lower Loxley since Nolly went back to SA
and Pip moved back to Brookfield. It's like the road out of Ambridge
in that direction has been swallowed by a sink hole.
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Why is Justin so out of touch? Every major retailer is closing stores
around the country. Online retailing has squished many.
...or a drone manufacturing facility....
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-03-24 17:35:43 UTC
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Post by krw
Why is Justin so out of touch? Every major retailer is closing stores
around the country. Online retailing has squished many.
...or a drone manufacturing facility....
I think those are due to be clamped down on soon - talk of people
needing licences, and even training, to use them. I suspect that'll cut
down on demand a lot. (Though even before, there are _some_ people with
lots of money: I was - though feeling guilty about doing so - sniffing
around Maplin's website to see if there was anything I wanted that was
cheaper than elsewhere [there wasn't], and I did see one for over 1k
there.)
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