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Nick Leverton
2017-05-05 09:28:38 UTC
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.

The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.

The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN

I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)

Nick
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vk
2017-05-05 10:58:57 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
All done :)
Peter Percival
2017-05-05 12:12:21 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Mr Nick, I have a confession to make. I did two pages and then saw a
progress bar (I suppose that is what it is) which showed that I was only
half way through. So I gave up out of impatience. Before I gave up I
saw a claim

UK drug policy needs to align itself with European drug policy
and treat drug dependence as a Public health issue

to which I replied

Neither agree nor disagree

Is there a European drug policy? It seems most unlikely.
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Peter Percival
2017-05-05 12:53:31 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Mr Nick, I have a confession to make. I did two pages and then saw a
progress bar (I suppose that is what it is) which showed that I was only
half way through. So I gave up out of impatience. Before I gave up I
saw a claim
UK drug policy needs to align itself with European drug policy
and treat drug dependence as a Public health issue
to which I replied
Neither agree nor disagree
Is there a European drug policy? It seems most unlikely.
I returned and completed it (gritting my teeth when I came to fatuous
phrases such as "person-centred journey").
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Peter Percival
2017-05-05 12:54:59 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Mr Nick, I have a confession to make. I did two pages and then saw a
progress bar (I suppose that is what it is) which showed that I was only
half way through. So I gave up out of impatience. Before I gave up I
saw a claim
UK drug policy needs to align itself with European drug policy
and treat drug dependence as a Public health issue
to which I replied
Neither agree nor disagree
Is there a European drug policy? It seems most unlikely.
I returned and completed it (gritting my teeth when I came to fatuous
phrases such as "person-centred journey").
I strongly agreed with

Not all drug us is problematic, the majority of people who use
drugs, do so responsibly and live normal fully functioning lives

because "use drugs" might well be "take medicines".
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Chris McMillan
2017-05-06 12:28:09 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Mr Nick, I have a confession to make. I did two pages and then saw a
progress bar (I suppose that is what it is) which showed that I was only
half way through. So I gave up out of impatience. Before I gave up I
saw a claim
UK drug policy needs to align itself with European drug policy
and treat drug dependence as a Public health issue
to which I replied
Neither agree nor disagree
Is there a European drug policy? It seems most unlikely.
Done
Nick Odell
2017-05-05 12:21:53 UTC
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:28:38 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
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The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
IANASurveyrat but I did it anyway. HTH

Nick
Penny
2017-05-05 12:43:05 UTC
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On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:21:53 +0100, Nick Odell
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:28:38 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
Post by Nick Leverton
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
IANASurveyrat but I did it anyway. HTH
I am and I also completed it.
Apart from the presumed typo in one of the questions (which I reported
directly to Amanda) my overall impression was: Blimey! what a marathon -
feels a bit repetitive but maybe it is testing how the phrasing of a
question can affect the response?
My own feeling is, the longer (and more repetitive) a survey, the faster I
lose interest and tend to take less care with my answers.
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Penny
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Vicky
2017-05-05 12:53:35 UTC
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On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:21:53 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:28:38 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
Post by Nick Leverton
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
IANASurveyrat but I did it anyway. HTH
I am and I also completed it.
Apart from the presumed typo in one of the questions (which I reported
directly to Amanda) my overall impression was: Blimey! what a marathon -
feels a bit repetitive but maybe it is testing how the phrasing of a
question can affect the response?
My own feeling is, the longer (and more repetitive) a survey, the faster I
lose interest and tend to take less care with my answers.
I did it but thought it too long and repetetive and almost dropped
out.
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Vicky
carolet
2017-05-05 18:33:34 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:21:53 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:28:38 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
Post by Nick Leverton
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
IANASurveyrat but I did it anyway. HTH
I am and I also completed it.
Apart from the presumed typo in one of the questions (which I reported
directly to Amanda) my overall impression was: Blimey! what a marathon -
feels a bit repetitive but maybe it is testing how the phrasing of a
question can affect the response?
My own feeling is, the longer (and more repetitive) a survey, the faster I
lose interest and tend to take less care with my answers.
I did it but thought it too long and repetetive and almost dropped
out.
I'm afraid I did drop out several pages in, that was more because it was
repetetive than because it was long. I think I would have gone on longer
if there had been a greater variety of questions to think about.
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CaroleT
Btms
2017-05-05 19:39:48 UTC
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On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:21:53 +0100, Nick Odell
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:28:38 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
Post by Nick Leverton
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
IANASurveyrat but I did it anyway. HTH
I am and I also completed it.
Apart from the presumed typo in one of the questions (which I reported
directly to Amanda) my overall impression was: Blimey! what a marathon -
feels a bit repetitive but maybe it is testing how the phrasing of a
question can affect the response?
My own feeling is, the longer (and more repetitive) a survey, the faster I
lose interest and tend to take less care with my answers.
I did it but thought it too long and repetetive and almost dropped
out.
I'm afraid I did drop out several pages in, that was more because it was
repetetive than because it was long. I think I would have gone on longer
if there had been a greater variety of questions to think about.
Maybe this was deliberate?
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Vicky
2017-05-05 20:49:56 UTC
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:33:34 +0100, carolet
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I did it but thought it too long and repetetive and almost dropped
out.
I'm afraid I did drop out several pages in, that was more because it was
repetetive than because it was long. I think I would have gone on longer
if there had been a greater variety of questions to think about.
B did it. He has a similar ology, well crim too, and had to learn to
do stats and surveys and things. He said the repetition of Qs is
because they see if you just click randomly and if so discount you
fromthe survey. If you click opposite As to similar Qs that is.He
thought it wasn't a bad survey at all and he's usually critical of
everything :).
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Vicky
Btms
2017-05-05 20:57:54 UTC
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 19:33:34 +0100, carolet
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I did it but thought it too long and repetetive and almost dropped
out.
I'm afraid I did drop out several pages in, that was more because it was
repetetive than because it was long. I think I would have gone on longer
if there had been a greater variety of questions to think about.
B did it. He has a similar ology, well crim too, and had to learn to
do stats and surveys and things. He said the repetition of Qs is
because they see if you just click randomly and if so discount you
fromthe survey. If you click opposite As to similar Qs that is.He
thought it wasn't a bad survey at all and he's usually critical of
everything :).
So he must love TA then.
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Fenny
2017-05-05 22:37:09 UTC
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Post by Vicky
B did it. He has a similar ology, well crim too, and had to learn to
do stats and surveys and things. He said the repetition of Qs is
because they see if you just click randomly and if so discount you
fromthe survey. If you click opposite As to similar Qs that is.
That may be true. Many surveys have check questions in them. But I
find that if a survey is too long, I get frustrated at the continual
repeating of questions and just start giving random answers. So, for
me, give me a well focussed and non-repetitive survey and I will give
well considered answers. But if I'm doing it for whatever kind of
reward points and I've been at it for 20 minutes and it's telling me
I'm only 30% of the way through, I'm going to give any kind of random
answers to get to the end and earn my 10p. If that means my responses
are discounted, that's just tough!
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Fenny
Nick Odell
2017-05-05 21:10:08 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:21:53 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:28:38 +0000 (UTC), Nick Leverton
Post by Nick Leverton
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
IANASurveyrat but I did it anyway. HTH
I am and I also completed it.
Apart from the presumed typo in one of the questions (which I reported
directly to Amanda) my overall impression was: Blimey! what a marathon -
feels a bit repetitive but maybe it is testing how the phrasing of a
question can affect the response?
My own feeling is, the longer (and more repetitive) a survey, the faster I
lose interest and tend to take less care with my answers.
I did it but thought it too long and repetetive and almost dropped
out.
I'm afraid I did drop out several pages in, that was more because it was
repetetive than because it was long. I think I would have gone on longer
if there had been a greater variety of questions to think about.
Experience suggests that if a questionaire says that it's going to be
10 mts - it isn't. So I wasn't surprised.

I finished it but I think a lot of the check questions were
transparently check questions and I'd like to have seen a little more
subtlety there. If Amanda is planning to specialise in this field IMO
she could do worse than to try and get a placement with a social
research or market research company during her degree studies and
learn more about survey construction.

Nick
Peter Percival
2017-05-05 12:52:13 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic.
What is the topic? The treatment of recreational drug users, or how
people respond to surveys?
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So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Peter Percival
2017-05-05 13:00:39 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
Why may one "prefer not to say" in response to "What is your Gender?"
but not to "How old are you?" and "What is the highest level of
education you have completed?"
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I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Btms
2017-05-05 12:59:01 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible. A good test exercise for students of course.
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Peter Percival
2017-05-05 13:45:28 UTC
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Mike
2017-05-05 14:03:49 UTC
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
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Btms
2017-05-05 14:32:36 UTC
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
Would this be a single survey? The 1K figure would need to test the test
and check if the same outcome obtains after retest. There is also a need
to establish to what degree the sample is representative of the whole and
whether such factors skew the result. As you say a sample pulled from
those with IT facilities is likely to produced skewed results, unless the
question relates to IT use etc.
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Mike
2017-05-05 16:02:47 UTC
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
Would this be a single survey? The 1K figure would need to test the test
and check if the same outcome obtains after retest. There is also a need
to establish to what degree the sample is representative of the whole and
whether such factors skew the result. As you say a sample pulled from
those with IT facilities is likely to produced skewed results, unless the
question relates to IT use etc.
The UK Biobank is a research project funded by the NHS and the Welcome
trust plus it is based at a University; the on-line surveys are only part
of the project that started off with a detailed medical assessment, we
attended sessions run in Reading some years back and the data is anonymised
before being shared. See http://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk for further info. We
have been involved for about 8-9 years now; they will be running an MRI
based survey later this year in Reading though already underway elsewhere
and the sessions take about two hours. Mrs. McT is not overkeen but hey-ho,
I'll try anything once with the usual T's & C's applied.πŸ˜‰
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
Would this be a single survey? The 1K figure would need to test the test
and check if the same outcome obtains after retest. There is also a need
to establish to what degree the sample is representative of the whole and
whether such factors skew the result. As you say a sample pulled from
those with IT facilities is likely to produced skewed results, unless the
question relates to IT use etc.
The UK Biobank is a research project funded by the NHS and the Welcome
trust plus it is based at a University; the on-line surveys are only part
of the project that started off with a detailed medical assessment, we
attended sessions run in Reading some years back and the data is anonymised
before being shared. See http://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk for further info. We
have been involved for about 8-9 years now; they will be running an MRI
based survey later this year in Reading though already underway elsewhere
and the sessions take about two hours. Mrs. McT is not overkeen but hey-ho,
I'll try anything once with the usual T's & C's applied.πŸ˜‰
All of which supports and adds to the limitations and validity regarding
the credibility of most surveys; the outcomes of which are so beloved by
such as the Dilly Mile and the The Dilly Repress.
--
BTMS - Usurped as Editor in waiting
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2017-05-05 18:25:19 UTC
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
Would this be a single survey? The 1K figure would need to test the test
and check if the same outcome obtains after retest. There is also a need
to establish to what degree the sample is representative of the whole and
whether such factors skew the result. As you say a sample pulled from
those with IT facilities is likely to produced skewed results, unless the
question relates to IT use etc.
The UK Biobank is a research project funded by the NHS and the Welcome
trust plus it is based at a University; the on-line surveys are only part
of the project that started off with a detailed medical assessment, we
attended sessions run in Reading some years back and the data is anonymised
before being shared. See http://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk for further info. We
have been involved for about 8-9 years now; they will be running an MRI
based survey later this year in Reading though already underway elsewhere
and the sessions take about two hours. Mrs. McT is not overkeen but hey-ho,
I'll try anything once with the usual T's & C's applied.πŸ˜‰
All of which supports and adds to the limitations and validity regarding
the credibility of most surveys; the outcomes of which are so beloved by
such as the Dilly Mile and the The Dilly Repress.
What method might you suggest that would be totally impartial and
meaningfully accurate then?
--
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
Would this be a single survey? The 1K figure would need to test the test
and check if the same outcome obtains after retest. There is also a need
to establish to what degree the sample is representative of the whole and
whether such factors skew the result. As you say a sample pulled from
those with IT facilities is likely to produced skewed results, unless the
question relates to IT use etc.
The UK Biobank is a research project funded by the NHS and the Welcome
trust plus it is based at a University; the on-line surveys are only part
of the project that started off with a detailed medical assessment, we
attended sessions run in Reading some years back and the data is anonymised
before being shared. See http://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk for further info. We
have been involved for about 8-9 years now; they will be running an MRI
based survey later this year in Reading though already underway elsewhere
and the sessions take about two hours. Mrs. McT is not overkeen but hey-ho,
I'll try anything once with the usual T's & C's applied.πŸ˜‰
All of which supports and adds to the limitations and validity regarding
the credibility of most surveys; the outcomes of which are so beloved by
such as the Dilly Mile and the The Dilly Repress.
What method might you suggest that would be totally impartial and
meaningfully accurate then?
The sort you describe, which is in contrast to sort happily reported in the
popular press and the source of what I think we now call fake news. My
point was to contrast the sort of research in which you participate and
describe, with the results of "a survey" which has little validity but
attracts publicity.
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
Nick
Happy to help but several hundred responders? In my day you needed 1K to
obtain statistical significance. I can guess why she is not charged with
obtaining so much data. The outcome of surveys from university may all be
based upon similar low numbers of responders. Then the results published
as credible.
The published result should say how many responded. Election surveys
survey 2000 people (typically) and look how entertainingly wrong they
can be.
Post by Btms
A good test exercise for students of course.
Whereas Uk Biobank surveys and assessments etc. Are based on 50,000 plus
subjects, (the McToodles count amongst them) statistically, these numbers
are more meaningful and accurate an indication, (at least amongst those
with IT facilities and inclination to assist them)
Would this be a single survey? The 1K figure would need to test the test
and check if the same outcome obtains after retest. There is also a need
to establish to what degree the sample is representative of the whole and
whether such factors skew the result. As you say a sample pulled from
those with IT facilities is likely to produced skewed results, unless the
question relates to IT use etc.
The UK Biobank is a research project funded by the NHS and the Welcome
trust plus it is based at a University; the on-line surveys are only part
of the project that started off with a detailed medical assessment, we
attended sessions run in Reading some years back and the data is anonymised
before being shared. See http://www.ukbiobank.ac.uk for further info. We
have been involved for about 8-9 years now; they will be running an MRI
based survey later this year in Reading though already underway elsewhere
and the sessions take about two hours. Mrs. McT is not overkeen but hey-ho,
I'll try anything once with the usual T's & C's applied.πŸ˜‰
All of which supports and adds to the limitations and validity regarding
the credibility of most surveys; the outcomes of which are so beloved by
such as the Dilly Mile and the The Dilly Repress.
What method might you suggest that would be totally impartial and
meaningfully accurate then?
The sort you describe, which is in contrast to sort happily reported in the
popular press and the source of what I think we now call fake news. My
point was to contrast the sort of research in which you participate and
describe, with the results of "a survey" which has little validity but
attracts publicity.
Oh, ss you were...
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"agreement or disagreement with a serious of statements"

Somebody's been relying too much on the spill chucker :-)
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Steveski
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
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https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
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Opening page doesn't bode well: sloppy web design - plain text on a web
page should _never_ require horizontal scrolling in order to read it.
(And the "proceed" button [">>"] shouldn't, either.)

"Providing young people with information about drugs encourages them to
take them" I put "Somewhat agree" - but that doesn't mean I necessarily
think that's a bad thing.

"It is vital that young people are given the true facts about drugs and
alcohol so they can make informed choices" - bad choice of word;
"important" would have been better than "vital". Sways my level of
agreement.

"It is wrong to discriminate against drug dependents who need medically
assisted recovery" - discriminate how: giving them treatment?
employment? Needs clarification before I can answer it.

"Treating drug dependency as a public health matter and providing heroin
substitution therapy (HST) is the best solution to reduce drug related
harm on both the individual and the social level" - again, poor choice
of wording: "the best" would, I submit, generate a different spread of
responses than "a good" would.

"Drug dependency is an illness and should be treated the same as any
other illness" - two statements there (either side of "and"); many
respondents might have different responses to the two statements.

"Interventions that provide substance testing facilities at music
festivals and clubs are just condoning drug use" - does the word "just"
have to be there?

"In what country ... reside" - depressingly uses the standard
international list. I have very occasionally found one that allows me to
select England. In this case, that could provide additional useful
statistical information, without removing the option of aggregation if
required.

I would love to encounter a survey which took me the time stated, or
even close; this one has taken me over half an hour - even subtracting
the time taken to make these comments, I'm sure it would still have
taken me over twice the time promised.

I would agree with other posters that there was _some_ repetition,
though I didn't find it too much.
--
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2017-05-06 08:15:45 UTC
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
I am never able to complete a questionnaire without criticising it and I
do think this one is overly repetitive, far too long and flawed in
several other respects.

But, as someone who has taught research methods to business students for
many years, I am very reluctant to criticise students' questionnaire
design without having some understanding of how they have been taught,
the review process to which the questionnaire has been subjected and the
criteria for the assessment of which it forms a part.

As the basis for an exercise in data collection and analysis, it is
probably adequate but it seems possible that a useful learning
opportunity in good questionnaire design has been missed here - which is
feedback for the OU lecturer(s) rather than the student.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
I know somerats enjoy surveys so I hope this posting is not too unwelcome here :)
I am never able to complete a questionnaire without criticising it and I
do think this one is overly repetitive, far too long and flawed in
several other respects.
But, as someone who has taught research methods to business students for
many years, I am very reluctant to criticise students' questionnaire
design without having some understanding of how they have been taught,
the review process to which the questionnaire has been subjected and the
criteria for the assessment of which it forms a part.
As the basis for an exercise in data collection and analysis, it is
probably adequate but it seems possible that a useful learning
opportunity in good questionnaire design has been missed here - which is
feedback for the OU lecturer(s) rather than the student.
Indeed. A student is on a learning curve so I would expect all sorts of
issues. If observations are taken on board, a better result might be
grasped. Otoh is it set up to demonstrate to students how surveys are
subject to complex difficulties? Equally could just be poor guidance
before setting the task.
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey on
"Attitudes towards a harm reduction response to drug use in the UK". The
survey is anonymous and all questions are voluntary. It should take
about ten minutes to complete, depending on thinking time.
The purpose of the survey is not to reveal public opinion, but to allow
the student to prove statistical analytical skills as part of her degree
in developing a new scale of measurement on this topic. So she needs a
few hundred participants to get reliable results. Please feel free to
share further amongst people of all opinions and walks of life.
The survey can be found at
https://openss.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9LFg4fqOTNqQ3AN
Thankyou very much to everyone so far ! :) If I can do a portmanteau
answer rather than following up individually to the many well made points,

Yes some of the questions are a bit laboured but it was necessary for each
of them to be backed up by evidence, one way or another. Every question
has at least one reference paper behind it. For some topics of the
analysis it seemed hard to find suitably backed-up statements in everyday
language. There were still many more that Mandi had to leave out.

Some of the questions are similar, true, but they attempt to address
different aspects from the range of policies under study. More time
might have allowed better phrasing and a better balance of left-of-page
answers vs right-of-page ones.

We are very grateful to everyone who feels able to submit a survey.
She should need almost a thousand responses minimum (ten per question),
but to for the analysis to be basically valid five answers per question
will give a sufficient measure on the various statistical tests that
have to be done (sphericity and variance and all the other ones I can't
remember - she is way ahead of me on this :-) ).

We think the survey suffered a bit in the editing between pilot and
live version. It seems both tutor and student may have been changing
it at the same time. Also in some places the tutor's spell checker had
different opinions on the correct wording from the student's intent.
I completed the pilot study which did not have the errors of English !

We both agree that the module did not leave enough time to prepare a
first class survey, but then again hurry and lack of time for the work
has been the theme for this module throughout, even compared to other
Level 3 Hons modules. I am so proud that my beloved has persevered when
so many others on her module have dropped out citing unrealistic workload.

Last I heard she is about half way to getting statistically reliable
results for the final assignment, so both Mandi and I really appreciate
everyone's effort and will be very pleased if anyone else can join in.
I think she plans to leave the survey open until mid week.

But remember all questions are voluntary (except I think Gender which,
in the course template, has a "prefer not" option). So just skip any
that affect your will to live ;)

Thanks again from us both,

Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
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My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey
I just wanted to report back to those who were able to help in the above
request. The statistical analysis of common factors and correlations
in the responses came out very positively, indicating the responses were
self-consistent and reliable, and that the topics so revealed form a
suitable scale of measurement, which is what the degree project set out to
examine. The final results are now in the hands of the degree assessors !

Thank you all on behalf of us both,

Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey
I just wanted to report back to those who were able to help in the above
request. The statistical analysis of common factors and correlations
in the responses came out very positively, indicating the responses were
self-consistent and reliable, and that the topics so revealed form a
suitable scale of measurement, which is what the degree project set out to
examine. The final results are now in the hands of the degree assessors !
Thank you all on behalf of us both,
Nick
Congarats. Now the more subjective judging.
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey
I just wanted to report back to those who were able to help in the above
request. The statistical analysis of common factors and correlations
in the responses came out very positively, indicating the responses were
self-consistent and reliable, and that the topics so revealed form a
May not people lie consistently? It may be harder than telling the
truth consistently, but it is not impossible.
Post by Nick Leverton
suitable scale of measurement, which is what the degree project set out to
examine. The final results are now in the hands of the degree assessors !
Thank you all on behalf of us both,
Nick
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
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Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey
I just wanted to report back to those who were able to help in the above
request. The statistical analysis of common factors and correlations
in the responses came out very positively, indicating the responses were
self-consistent and reliable, and that the topics so revealed form a
May not people lie consistently? It may be harder than telling the
truth consistently, but it is not impossible.
If respondents wish to espouse views and attitudes which are not their
own, it is of no concern to the study. The views and attitudes still
emerge naturally from the analysis and validate the scale of measurement
for use.

Quite a lot of science is like that, true whether one likes it or not.

Nick
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"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996
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Post by Peter Percival
Post by Nick Leverton
Post by Nick Leverton
My best ever beloved is on the final module of her psychology degree,
and urgently needs participants who are willing to fill in a survey
I just wanted to report back to those who were able to help in the above
request. The statistical analysis of common factors and correlations
in the responses came out very positively, indicating the responses were
self-consistent and reliable, and that the topics so revealed form a
May not people lie consistently? It may be harder than telling the
truth consistently, but it is not impossible.
If respondents wish to espouse views and attitudes which are not their
own, it is of no concern to the study. The views and attitudes still
emerge naturally from the analysis and validate the scale of measurement
for use.
Quite a lot of science is like that, true whether one likes it or not.
Nick
I was commenting on this claim - "indicating the responses were
self-consistent and reliable". I can understand how self-consistency
can be indicated but not how reliability can be indicated. Maybe I am
misreading "reliability". I took it to mean that the answers could be
relied upon to reflect the opinions of those questioned.
--
Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
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