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Btms
2018-04-06 10:41:32 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.

TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.

*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-04-06 12:19:02 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
I fear you are right.
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TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
Well, the _paying_ audience - or, the advertisers in the case of the
commercial soaps. In the case of the BBC in general and TA in
particular, it _might_ be that that's what the _new_ audience wants -
or, rather, what draws in the new audience, which is not the same thing
(those drawn in can just as easily drop out), but TPTB don't always seem
to grasp that.
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*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
I don't even see the trailers for the main ones (square street or farm),
so can't comment.
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SODAM
2018-04-06 17:22:27 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
This seems horribly possible. TA has covered the gay marriage
issue,coercive control, rural housing shortage, racism (via Lexi),
surrogacy, adoption, unexpected death - twice recently, homelessness ( and
we might be in for another dollop of that*), food banks, drugs, single
parenthood (yet again) and perhaps Kate is warming up to “Me Too” in her
workplace.


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Sally Thompson
2018-04-06 17:37:39 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
This seems horribly possible. TA has covered the gay marriage
issue,coercive control, rural housing shortage, racism (via Lexi),
surrogacy, adoption, unexpected death - twice recently, homelessness ( and
we might be in for another dollop of that*), food banks, drugs, single
parenthood (yet again) and perhaps Kate is warming up to “Me Too” in her
workplace.
I think you mean Alice! Kate is the one with the yurts.
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* Can we believe that the excellent Alison Steadman would be brought on for
a single episode? I could foresee Pat taking her in and problems with an
overcrowded house, as there are Chez Grundy.
Oh yes, I do foresee exactly that Pat will offer her a roof and maybe a
job. It may not be so overcrowded though, since Tom and Johnny aren’t there
any more.
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Fenny
2018-04-06 17:50:38 UTC
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* Can we believe that the excellent Alison Steadman would be brought on for
a single episode? I could foresee Pat taking her in and problems with an
overcrowded house, as there are Chez Grundy.
Oh yes, I do foresee exactly that Pat will offer her a roof and maybe a
job. It may not be so overcrowded though, since Tom and Johnny aren’t there
any more.
+1 on the accommodation and job.

Do we know/guess how many bedrooms Bridge Farm has? If the Archer
children had a room each, there are 4 rooms. So unless Henry & Jack
share a room, none spare. If they do share a room, is the "spare"
room used as a bedroom, or something else?

But I suppose that all Ambridge houses have elastic sides unless we
have heard just how much too small they are for the current occupants.
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carolet
2018-04-06 18:06:50 UTC
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* Can we believe that the excellent Alison Steadman would be brought on for
a single episode? I could foresee Pat taking her in and problems with an
overcrowded house, as there are Chez Grundy.
Oh yes, I do foresee exactly that Pat will offer her a roof and maybe a
job. It may not be so overcrowded though, since Tom and Johnny aren’t there
any more.
+1 on the accommodation and job.
Do we know/guess how many bedrooms Bridge Farm has? If the Archer
children had a room each, there are 4 rooms. So unless Henry & Jack
share a room, none spare. If they do share a room, is the "spare"
room used as a bedroom, or something else?
But I suppose that all Ambridge houses have elastic sides unless we
have heard just how much too small they are for the current occupants.
At one point they had Tom, Johnny, Helen and Henry living there, as well
as Pat and Tony. I understood that they all had separate rooms, but
maybe Henry was in with Helen or Johnny and Tom shared.

I think they had somebody living in a caravan some time ago (Johnny's
mum?). I don't suppose they still have the caravan.
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Fenny
2018-04-06 22:04:38 UTC
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On 6 Apr 2018 17:37:39 GMT, Sally Thompson
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* Can we believe that the excellent Alison Steadman would be brought on for
a single episode? I could foresee Pat taking her in and problems with an
overcrowded house, as there are Chez Grundy.
Oh yes, I do foresee exactly that Pat will offer her a roof and maybe a
job. It may not be so overcrowded though, since Tom and Johnny aren’t there
any more.
+1 on the accommodation and job.
Do we know/guess how many bedrooms Bridge Farm has? If the Archer
children had a room each, there are 4 rooms. So unless Henry & Jack
share a room, none spare. If they do share a room, is the "spare"
room used as a bedroom, or something else?
But I suppose that all Ambridge houses have elastic sides unless we
have heard just how much too small they are for the current occupants.
At one point they had Tom, Johnny, Helen and Henry living there, as well
as Pat and Tony. I understood that they all had separate rooms, but
maybe Henry was in with Helen or Johnny and Tom shared.
I'd guess back then, Henry shared a room with Helen.
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I think they had somebody living in a caravan some time ago (Johnny's
mum?). I don't suppose they still have the caravan.
Sharon in the caravan was before John and the tractor rolling
incident, so more than 20 years ago. I assume the caravan has passed
it's useful life.
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Mike
2018-04-07 06:47:15 UTC
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* Can we believe that the excellent Alison Steadman would be brought on for
a single episode? I could foresee Pat taking her in and problems with an
overcrowded house, as there are Chez Grundy.
Oh yes, I do foresee exactly that Pat will offer her a roof and maybe a
job. It may not be so overcrowded though, since Tom and Johnny aren’t there
any more.
+1 on the accommodation and job.
Do we know/guess how many bedrooms Bridge Farm has? If the Archer
children had a room each, there are 4 rooms. So unless Henry & Jack
share a room, none spare. If they do share a room, is the "spare"
room used as a bedroom, or something else?
But I suppose that all Ambridge houses have elastic sides unless we
have heard just how much too small they are for the current occupants.
At one point they had Tom, Johnny, Helen and Henry living there, as well
as Pat and Tony. I understood that they all had separate rooms, but
maybe Henry was in with Helen or Johnny and Tom shared.
I'd guess back then, Henry shared a room with Helen.
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I think they had somebody living in a caravan some time ago (Johnny's
mum?). I don't suppose they still have the caravan.
Sharon in the caravan was before John and the tractor rolling
incident, so more than 20 years ago. I assume the caravan has passed
it's useful life.
Might have chuckies in it now then?
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Sam Plusnet
2018-04-06 17:51:13 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
This seems horribly possible. TA has covered the gay marriage
issue,coercive control, rural housing shortage, racism (via Lexi),
surrogacy, adoption, unexpected death - twice recently, homelessness ( and
we might be in for another dollop of that*), food banks, drugs, single
parenthood (yet again) and perhaps Kate is warming up to “Me Too” in her
workplace.
With Kate, it's far more likely to be "Me Me Me ME!".
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Paul Herber
2018-04-07 10:38:48 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
I was confused. I thought why on earth do we need LEDs in soap, assume the soap is
transparent or translucent, what colour LEDs, how would the battery survive in the water?
To whom would these be issued?
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2018-04-07 17:08:36 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
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TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
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*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
I was confused. I thought why on earth do we need LEDs in soap, assume the soap is
transparent or translucent, what colour LEDs, how would the battery survive in the water?
To whom would these be issued?
Now that you have sown the idea, I bet there is someone in one of the
tat manufacturers considering the idea, probably in time for Christmas..
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Clive Arthur
2018-04-07 17:22:36 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
I was confused. I thought why on earth do we need LEDs in soap, assume the soap is
transparent or translucent, what colour LEDs, how would the battery survive in the water?
To whom would these be issued?
Ellie D ?

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Vicky
2018-04-07 17:26:44 UTC
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For me the usp of TA has been the everydayness of it. Since Rob n Hellen,
I sense an influx of listeners wanting and peddling ideas for more issues
led stories. I suspect this is why I have begun to listen less. I don’t
know if “issues” are increasing in Ambridge or whether there is a change of
gear. I appreciate it began as a way to give advice to farmers but I
don’t think this is the same thing. It seems one band wagon after another
now.
TV soap are, imho, aimed at social influence through foregrounding a
variety of issues* and if the audience like this, I guess this is the way
TA will go. I hope I am wrong.
*I base this only on the trailers so I a may be quite wrong.
I was confused. I thought why on earth do we need LEDs in soap, assume the soap is
transparent or translucent, what colour LEDs, how would the battery survive in the water?
To whom would these be issued?
Batteries might not survive but electrical items can. A few months ago
I lost a hearing aid as they fall out easily, especially if wearing my
glasses and a hood. They fight with the glasses. We looked all over as
they were free on the NHS but replacements are £50 per ear. I finally
got a replacement and of course the lost one was found, by b, in the
garden today, months later. It's been out in the rain and cold but he
cleaned it and put a new battery in and it works.

The odd thing is the one that tends to fall out lots is the right side
but this is a left side one.
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2018-04-07 21:52:34 UTC
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I was confused. I thought why on earth do we need LEDs in soap, assume
the soap is transparent or translucent, what colour LEDs, how would the
battery survive in the water?
To whom would these be issued?
Batteries might not survive but electrical items can. A few months ago I
lost a hearing aid as they fall out easily, especially if wearing my
glasses and a hood. They fight with the glasses. We looked all over as
they were free on the NHS but replacements are £50 per ear. I finally
got a replacement and of course the lost one was found, by b, in the
garden today, months later. It's been out in the rain and cold but he
cleaned it and put a new battery in and it works.
A couple of years ago I lost a memory stick. After an autumn and v. snowy
winter I found it on the drive, took it inside, dried it for a few days
and - you're expecting BANG! now in the way of these things . . . :-)

No, boringly but astonishingly (is that an oxymoron?) it was fine with no
loss of data.
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2018-04-08 07:06:20 UTC
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A couple of years ago I lost a memory stick. After an autumn and v. snowy
winter I found it on the drive, took it inside, dried it for a few days
and - you're expecting BANG! now in the way of these things . . .:-)
No, boringly but astonishingly (is that an oxymoron?) it was fine with no
loss of data.
They're solid state, probably didn't need to dry anything except the
contacts...
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2018-04-08 08:24:03 UTC
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A couple of years ago I lost a memory stick. After an autumn and v. snowy
winter I found it on the drive, took it inside, dried it for a few days
and - you're expecting BANG! now in the way of these things . . .:-)
No, boringly but astonishingly (is that an oxymoron?) it was fine with no
loss of data.
They're solid state, probably didn't need to dry anything except the
contacts...
And any copper/gold tracks to the pins/pads.
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