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krw
2017-05-10 14:40:28 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car? If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
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2017-05-10 14:44:53 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes, for on-road vehicles it is 74 dB
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how does it go past twice in the same direction?
It's a clone, racing with its sibling.
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Mike
2017-05-10 15:14:38 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes, for on-road vehicles it is 74 dB
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how does it go past twice in the same direction?
It's a clone, racing with its sibling.
Unfortunately, there is rather more to the figure, I was unaware of the 74
db rating; however, there are various different ratings but if using the
same as outdoor concert sound systems, this ls likely to be db(A), however
the sound level also has to be measured from a set distance from the
source....
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Mike
2017-05-10 15:10:38 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car? If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
Did you see the mechanism attaching it to the power pick up on the track?
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Peter Percival
2017-05-10 15:16:27 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
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If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
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krw
2017-05-10 15:24:36 UTC
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Post by krw
A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.

Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?

When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
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Mike
2017-05-10 15:29:32 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.
Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
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krw
2017-05-10 15:35:22 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.
Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
Lynda please.
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Mike
2017-05-10 15:37:00 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.
Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
Lynda please.
Oooops Sorry !!!
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Btms
2017-05-10 15:36:36 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.
Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
Lynda please.
I have told 'im. Will 'e listen? Nah!
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Mike
2017-05-10 15:42:27 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.
Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
Lynda please.
I have told 'im. Will 'e listen? Nah!
Snifffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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Btms
2017-05-10 15:35:06 UTC
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Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
How many times? It is LYnda.
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Jenny M Benson
2017-05-12 13:48:53 UTC
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
Regards PC Burns, prolly not on duty. I was once talking to our village
bobby when a car drove (illegally) down a near-by one-way street. My
friend the bobby complained that he was never in uniform when he spotted
someone doing that.
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krw
2017-05-12 14:04:28 UTC
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My friend the bobby complained that he was never in uniform when he
spotted someone doing that.
Surely he does not need to be in uniform to do something about it?
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Penny
2017-05-12 14:57:22 UTC
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Regards PC Burns, prolly not on duty. I was once talking to our village
bobby when a car drove (illegally) down a near-by one-way street. My
friend the bobby complained that he was never in uniform when he spotted
someone doing that.
It's one of the things which makes a joke of things like parking
restrictions. Small towns tend to share traffic wardens so, for anyone
local and sufficiently aware, yellow lines may be safely (from the ticket
point of view) ignored on certain days of the week.

I know this is true here and was (may still be) in Rye where I used to be
close friends with a chap who lived on the High Street.
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Vicky
2017-05-12 17:46:04 UTC
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Post by krw
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Where's Linda Snell and Carpet Burns when you need them?
Regards PC Burns, prolly not on duty. I was once talking to our village
bobby when a car drove (illegally) down a near-by one-way street. My
friend the bobby complained that he was never in uniform when he spotted
someone doing that.
I thought policemen always had to note lawbreaking, even if off duty.
I had a friend who was a special, not just constable, something higher
up, and said they didn't like going to parties because sometimes
people smoked pot and they were obliged to not ignore it.
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Penny
2017-05-12 18:00:02 UTC
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I thought policemen always had to note lawbreaking, even if off duty.
I had a friend who was a special, not just constable, something higher
up, and said they didn't like going to parties because sometimes
people smoked pot and they were obliged to not ignore it.
My brother-in-law was a Special - he also drove deliveries for us and was
often late (much to the husgod's annoyance) because he was busy getting
involved in police-type activity :(

I'm not sure it's actually encouraged.
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Penny
2017-05-10 15:39:02 UTC
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Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/fcb/cars-and-noise.asp

and it is (A) as Mike says - not knowing what that meant I ignored it ;)
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krw
2017-05-11 12:08:30 UTC
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Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/fcb/cars-and-noise.asp
and it is (A) as Mike says - not knowing what that meant I ignored it ;)
Interesting. The vehicle concerned has almost certainly had its exhaust
system modified, so is presumably breaking the law in some way.
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Vicky
2017-05-10 20:51:43 UTC
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A noisy red car has just gone past the house twice. Is there a legal
limit on the noise output from a car?
Yes. Ask in uk.legal or uk.legal.moderated for details.
Post by krw
If not should there be one? And
how does it go past twice in the same direction?
By a strange phenomenon called "going round the block". If I spelt
'phenomenon' correctly it was purely by chance.
To go round our block you need to turn at our house (we live on a
corner), which means it would not be going past at high noise.
Where are the rules on the 74 dB (whatevers) please?
When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
Our local police have an emailing list for relevant local news and an
invitation to contact them about anything serious or not via the email
or a website. Have you something like that?
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krw
2017-05-11 12:10:59 UTC
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Our local police have an emailing list for relevant local news and an
invitation to contact them about anything serious or not via the email
or a website. Have you something like that?
Not obviously (Thames Valley) on their website.
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Penny
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Our local police have an emailing list for relevant local news and an
invitation to contact them about anything serious or not via the email
or a website. Have you something like that?
Not obviously (Thames Valley) on their website.
"Non-police issues

The following issues are not dealt with by the police. Unless otherwise
indicated, you should contact your local council.

Abandoned vehicles
Parking fines
Noise disturbance
Fly tipping
Stray dogs
Animals killed by a vehicle on the road not causing an obstruction
Vehicles on the road with no valid road tax - this is dealt with by the
DVLA"

So, local council - some of which will take reports via the Noise App.
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Mike
2017-05-11 14:10:33 UTC
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Post by Vicky
Our local police have an emailing list for relevant local news and an
invitation to contact them about anything serious or not via the email
or a website. Have you something like that?
Not obviously (Thames Valley) on their website.
"Non-police issues
The following issues are not dealt with by the police. Unless otherwise
indicated, you should contact your local council.
Abandoned vehicles
Parking fines
Noise disturbance
Fly tipping
Stray dogs
Animals killed by a vehicle on the road not causing an obstruction
Vehicles on the road with no valid road tax - this is dealt with by the
DVLA"
So, local council - some of which will take reports via the Noise App.
Thereby merging two Umrathreads!
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"Non-police issues
The following issues are not dealt with by the police. Unless otherwise
indicated, you should contact your local council.
Vehicles on the road with no valid road tax - this is dealt with by the
DVLA"
Surely they're dealt with by The Doctor (or anyone else with a time
machine). The Road Fund was abolished in the 1930s.
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krw
2017-05-11 15:50:24 UTC
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So, local council - some of which will take reports via the Noise App.
They do not include noisy vehicles in the list of items in which they
are interested. They are only interested in:

domestic premises
commercial premises
vehicle alarms
mechanical equipment in the street

They go on to say:

The council cannot deal with noise from:

traffic
aircraft - see our Noise - Aircraft page
antisocial behaviour in the street - contact the police on the
‘101’ non-emergency number

but for the first item they do not have a recommendation. Unbalanced.
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
I wonder if Environmental Health or someone might lend you a meter?
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
I wonder if Environmental Health or someone might lend you a meter?
Good luck with that one!
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
I wonder if Environmental Health or someone might lend you a meter?
Good luck with that one!
To qualify my remark; most EHO's have to 'share' such a meter, they are
'spensive and have to be calibrated regularly and most departments have to
join a queue to even see one!
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
I wonder if Environmental Health or someone might lend you a meter?
Good luck with that one!
To qualify my remark; most EHO's have to 'share' such a meter, they are
'spensive and have to be calibrated regularly and most departments have to
join a queue to even see one!
Last time I went to a music festival (Shrewsbury Folk) some officious bod
was wandering around with one the whole weekend.
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krw
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
I wonder if Environmental Health or someone might lend you a meter?
I have an uncalibrated meter on my phone. It is mainly used when on
holiday at a quiet resort to prove it is not quiet 9mexico we know where
you are).
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2017-05-11 12:49:13 UTC
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When it is next sunny I am tempted to sit on the bench on the corner and
take pictures of noisy vehicles (there are a couple of bikes as well).
I wonder if Environmental Health or someone might lend you a meter?
I have an uncalibrated meter on my phone. It is mainly used when on
holiday at a quiet resort to prove it is not quiet 9mexico we know where
you are).
I have (in my capacity as a sound engineer with professional audio
equipment) been peripherally involved in a few cases of noise nuisance
being brought to court against noise merchants (mainly clubs but not
exclusively) having spent lotsadosh on the SLM, the local authorities do
not have the dosh to also purchase machinery to make the required copies of
the sound recordings. i have made such copies and have had to sign
documents of declaration of authenticity and declared my availability
should I be required to attend court. I have never had to attend court
though as the offenders have admitted guilt each time.
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