On 07/08/2018 10:03, Sid Nuncius wrote:
> On 07/08/2018 09:19, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 07-Aug-18 04:15 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> I'll look at them next time I'm thinking of switching. Do they fit
>>> second-generation "smart" meters (i. e. ones that continue to work if
>>> I switch away)?
>> I'm very surprised that so many Umrats indulge in this switching lark.
>> Who do you think is paying for all the admin of switching and the
>> rewards to "recommenders"? It's partly the poor sods like me who are
>> not costing the fuel companies anything in terms of admin switching
>> and recommendations.
>> As for the Guvverment keeping on telling me how much money I am going
>> to save if I have a smart meter ... How does that work out? Are they
>> going to reward me with a reduction in fuel charges simply because I
>> have one? I think not. I use as much fuel as I need to. I am not
>> suddenly going to find the flat doesn't get as cold or I can see
>> better in the dark because (at more expense to everyone) I have a
>> smart meter.
> I'm absolutely with you on the smart meter issue. I don't want more
> internet-dependent (and possibly hackable) devices in my home, gathering
> information for others from which I derive no observable benefit,
> thanks. My view is that those wanting to install one may use them as a
> suppository and I shall continue to use the completely stupid meters
> which have worked reliably for me for decades. No doubt I shall be
> compelled to change at some point, though.
> As for switching, I do think there is benefit in it. Large existing
> companies have been transporting the urine with excessive charges and
> I'm pleased that I switched. I don't jump around every year chasing the
> lowest rates, but a couple of switches in the last 5 years or so have
> saved me several hundred pounds a year compared with what my long-term
> old suppliers, EDF and British Gas, would have charged.
> I'm highly dubious about there being much real competition in the energy
> market, whatever exponents of privatisation may say, but I'm prepared to
> use what there is to avoid being exploited by a huge private business.
> I'd prefer to be exploited by a small one. :o)
We had an interesting experience with smartmeters linked to OVO. We
acquired a small house in Edinburgh last year. We plan to retire there
in due course and meanwhile it's rented out long-term. It had
smartmeters and I must say they were extremely useful during the period
of renovation, which included a very cold spell in November when we
couldn't get up there - we could see when the builders were active (not
always when they said they were), and we could make sure that the
heating came on for a while to avoid any frost damage. When someone
inadvertently turned it off we noticed within a day and got it turned
back on again. OVO were excellent communicators and all our dealings
with them were very straightforward and intelligent. Of course, then the
house was let out, the new tenants took over the energy, and we
suspended the OVO account until further notice.
Having remote access to the meters was extremely useful while the house
was unoccupied. I cannot imagine, though, what earthly use they are when
you are actually on the premises, and I agree with Sid completely about
having minumum hackable electronics in your home. Even the now-essential
things, like one's computer, are monitored by goodness knows how many
agencies - I switched off the egregious Google Assistant on my tablet as
soon as I realised it was listening to our conversations.
(Scary story: I thought I'd dismissed the Assistant, but then I was
taking to Ralph about deleting temporary internet files and suddenly a
voice pipes up from the tablet 'I have suggestions for managing your
temporary internet files'. You can't delete this thing, but if you go
into the deepest oubliette of the settings you can disable it permanently)