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Wine in the fridge
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Btms
2017-04-25 07:37:26 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
DavidK
2017-04-25 08:24:36 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I thought that they said that there *was* a wine fridge.

Is it just used for white wine, or red wine with a special
chambre-setting on the microwave? Is there a place in the door for the
olives?
Mike Ruddock
2017-04-25 09:16:32 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I thought that they said that there *was* a wine fridge.
Is it just used for white wine, or red wine with a special
chambre-setting on the microwave? Is there a place in the door for the
olives?
Yes it was definitely stated when J's new kitchen was (finally) finished
that there was a wine fridge.

Mike Ruddock
Jim Easterbrook
2017-04-25 09:42:53 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I thought that they said that there *was* a wine fridge.
Is it just used for white wine, or red wine with a special
chambre-setting on the microwave? Is there a place in the door for the
olives?
Yes it was definitely stated when J's new kitchen was (finally) finished
that there was a wine fridge.
I think it was Brian's minimum condition for funding the project.
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Chris McMillan
2017-04-25 16:34:57 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I thought that they said that there *was* a wine fridge.
Is it just used for white wine, or red wine with a special
chambre-setting on the microwave? Is there a place in the door for the
olives?
Yes it was definitely stated when J's new kitchen was (finally) finished
that there was a wine fridge.
Mike Ruddock
Seem to remember Brine insisted or she wasn't getting the kitchen of her
dreams.

Sincerely Chris
Steve Hague
2017-04-25 09:56:25 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Steve
Btms
2017-04-25 10:17:39 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Steve
Red should also be stored at cellar temperature.
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Chris J Dixon
2017-04-25 10:52:01 UTC
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I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Red should also be stored at cellar temperature.
Did I imagine a Hancock episode where he fancies himself as a
potential wine buff, and reads advice that his wine should be
allowed to breathe at room temperature.

"Even the room isn't at room temperature!"

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Btms
2017-04-25 12:36:04 UTC
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I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Red should also be stored at cellar temperature.
Did I imagine a Hancock episode where he fancies himself as a
potential wine buff, and reads advice that his wine should be
allowed to breathe at room temperature.
"Even the room isn't at room temperature!"
Chris
I think you bring it out of the cellar for a while before drinking.
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Steve Hague
2017-04-25 10:52:42 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Steve
Red should also be stored at cellar temperature.
We don't store it, we drink it.
Steve
Jenny M Benson
2017-04-25 11:25:29 UTC
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We don't store it, we drink it.
Like me with a wine box. It says it will store wine for 6 weeks. "Fat
chance!" say I.
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Btms
2017-04-25 12:36:04 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Steve
Red should also be stored at cellar temperature.
We don't store it, we drink it.
Steve
We buy it by the case so it is stored before drinking.
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Fenny
2017-04-25 17:03:55 UTC
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We don't store it, we drink it.
I stack the cases in the hall until I drink it. Currently about 3
part open and 4 full cases, but Tesco have some of the stuff I want
back in stock and a Β£10 off Β£100 spend offer.
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krw
2017-04-25 12:55:16 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Steve
Certain chilled reds are all the rage at the moment. Usually I would
disagree with the chilling - but where it has been done as part of a
wine tasting event it is probably right.
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Btms
2017-04-25 14:24:57 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I didn't know there was such a thing, possibly because we've never drunk
much wine and what we do drink is red.
Steve
Certain chilled reds are all the rage at the moment. Usually I would
disagree with the chilling - but where it has been done as part of a
wine tasting event it is probably right.
I have just caught up. Brian did say wine fridge. Reported here as
reference to the fridge. Writers forgiven. 🍷
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Penny
2017-04-26 16:12:57 UTC
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Certain chilled reds are all the rage at the moment. Usually I would
disagree with the chilling - but where it has been done as part of a
wine tasting event it is probably right.
Personally I prefer wine unchilled (and can no longer drink red wine as
even the smell triggers a migraine these days :( ).

I requested a bottle of unchilled beer in an Italian restaurant the other
day. The waiter looked a bit shocked then asked if he should warm it up by
sticking it in his armpit for a while. I said it didn't need to be warm,
just off the shelf rather than from the chiller. It arrived at room
temperature and was fine.

SiL (another migraine sufferer) said he would get a headache from drinking
unchilled lager - is this a known thing?
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Btms
2017-04-26 18:00:14 UTC
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Certain chilled reds are all the rage at the moment. Usually I would
disagree with the chilling - but where it has been done as part of a
wine tasting event it is probably right.
Personally I prefer wine unchilled (and can no longer drink red wine as
even the smell triggers a migraine these days :( ).
I requested a bottle of unchilled beer in an Italian restaurant the other
day. The waiter looked a bit shocked then asked if he should warm it up by
sticking it in his armpit for a while. I said it didn't need to be warm,
just off the shelf rather than from the chiller. It arrived at room
temperature and was fine.
SiL (another migraine sufferer) said he would get a headache from drinking
unchilled lager - is this a known thing?
When I was menopausal, I had barely any side affects. However, cheap white
wine gave me a migraine. Something I had never suffered from. It seemed
this was caused by too many sulphites. Added to the brew, I understand, to
speed up the maturing process. This is true of certain lager beers too.

Whether the chilling will reduce the affect I don't know but no doubt some
chemicalrat will be along any moment now........

Oh btw cheap wine is ok now but I have developed a taste for stuff that
seems to cost a little more.
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Mike
2017-04-25 10:19:17 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I don't think so, they made quite a thing about the inclusion of a wine
'fridge when Effer's kitchen was first mooted.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2017-04-25 23:25:13 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I don't think so, they made quite a thing about the inclusion of a wine
'fridge when Effer's kitchen was first mooted.
I thought, when recounting (to whom I forget, though I think another
male) his pleasure at Lilian's departure, Brine said something like "and
I can fill my wine 'fridge, and come home and find it still ...".
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Vicky
2017-04-26 08:04:28 UTC
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I thought, when recounting (to whom I forget, though I think another
male) his pleasure at Lilian's departure, Brine said something like "and
I can fill my wine 'fridge, and come home and find it still ...".
Reminds me of when daughters were students, home for uni holidays. We
went to the fridge one summer evening around 7, planning to have a
cool bottle of beer, sitting out in the garden. No beer! When accused,
the daughters said " We thought it was there for us".
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2017-04-26 00:50:17 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
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Btms
2017-04-26 07:13:04 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
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Jenny M Benson
2017-04-26 07:50:04 UTC
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Do you mean one of those little machines with a "tank" that heats a
cupful of water? My sister has 2 of them. I am dubious about them
because water for tea should be boiling and water for coffee should be
less than boiling. The machine just does one temperature - don't know
if that's boiling or less than.
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Btms
2017-04-26 08:24:30 UTC
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Do you mean one of those little machines with a "tank" that heats a
cupful of water? My sister has 2 of them. I am dubious about them
because water for tea should be boiling and water for coffee should be
less than boiling. The machine just does one temperature - don't know
if that's boiling or less than.
Theirs heats more than a cupful of water. It is plumbed in. There was
talk about effer having one in the new kitchen, which is why I mentioned it
after the wine fridge comments. It seems to be already hot when they use
it. Never get a decent cup of tea when we stay with them. But they prefer
coffee.

Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas. So the early morning cuppa is freshly boiled, not
boiling. We both agree reboiling is not acceptable. As I said, we are
fussy with tea.
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Nick Odell
2017-04-26 08:54:37 UTC
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
Do you mean one of those little machines with a "tank" that heats a
cupful of water? My sister has 2 of them. I am dubious about them
because water for tea should be boiling and water for coffee should be
less than boiling. The machine just does one temperature - don't know
if that's boiling or less than.
Theirs heats more than a cupful of water. It is plumbed in. There was
talk about effer having one in the new kitchen, which is why I mentioned it
after the wine fridge comments. It seems to be already hot when they use
it. Never get a decent cup of tea when we stay with them. But they prefer
coffee.
Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas. So the early morning cuppa is freshly boiled, not
boiling. We both agree reboiling is not acceptable. As I said, we are
fussy with tea.
Well, I hope Mr BTMS's kettle is fully secured otherwise all his
online banking details[1] will be all over the criminal underworld by
now.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/19/bods_brew_ikettle_20_hack_plot_vulnerable_london_pots/

Nick
[1]Other reasons for paranoia are available
Mike
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
Do you mean one of those little machines with a "tank" that heats a
cupful of water? My sister has 2 of them. I am dubious about them
because water for tea should be boiling and water for coffee should be
less than boiling. The machine just does one temperature - don't know
if that's boiling or less than.
Theirs heats more than a cupful of water. It is plumbed in. There was
talk about effer having one in the new kitchen, which is why I mentioned it
after the wine fridge comments. It seems to be already hot when they use
it. Never get a decent cup of tea when we stay with them. But they prefer
coffee.
Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas. So the early morning cuppa is freshly boiled, not
boiling. We both agree reboiling is not acceptable. As I said, we are
fussy with tea.
Well, I hope Mr BTMS's kettle is fully secured otherwise all his
online banking details[1] will be all over the criminal underworld by
now.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/19/bods_brew_ikettle_20_hack_plot_vulnerable_london_pots/
Nick
[1]Other reasons for paranoia are available
I was watching something on our goggle screen recently when up came a
message that a phone wanted to connect to the smart tv, I would have liked
the option I chose to have been worded 'nugger orff' (or stronger) but
settled for 'deny'.
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Btms
2017-04-26 14:08:20 UTC
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
Do you mean one of those little machines with a "tank" that heats a
cupful of water? My sister has 2 of them. I am dubious about them
because water for tea should be boiling and water for coffee should be
less than boiling. The machine just does one temperature - don't know
if that's boiling or less than.
Theirs heats more than a cupful of water. It is plumbed in. There was
talk about effer having one in the new kitchen, which is why I mentioned it
after the wine fridge comments. It seems to be already hot when they use
it. Never get a decent cup of tea when we stay with them. But they prefer
coffee.
Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas. So the early morning cuppa is freshly boiled, not
boiling. We both agree reboiling is not acceptable. As I said, we are
fussy with tea.
Well, I hope Mr BTMS's kettle is fully secured otherwise all his
online banking details[1] will be all over the criminal underworld by
now.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/19/bods_brew_ikettle_20_hack_plot_vulnerable_london_pots/
Nick
[1]Other reasons for paranoia are available
Iirc he undertook some research into this and decided it was too low a risk
to trouble him. He may be wrong but he began his techy training under the
descendants of the the Bletchley Park boffins. I tend to trust his paranoia
level. 😜 He said the risk was higher in a town and here in the sticks he
is not bovvvered.
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phone for Christmas.
I think I would prefer one I could use throughout the year m'self....πŸ˜‰
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.

Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.

And in this house it is easier to find the kettle than a phone.

And I understand that these arrangements are vulnerable to hacking which
presumably threatens one's whole system.
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BrritSki
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Post by Btms
Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
It's very useful when we are away for a few days in winter and have the
heating off and I can at least turn on the a/c unit upstairs which takes
the chill off.

It's also very useful because I can monitor it every day and if I don't
get a response I know we've had a power cut (a regular occurrence in the
winter when there's an electrical storm) and I can ask BrritsGrrl to pop
round and trip the switch.
BrritSki
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
It's very useful when we are away for a few days in winter and have the
heating off and I can at least turn on the a/c unit upstairs which takes
the chill off.
It's also very useful because I can monitor it every day and if I don't
get a response I know we've had a power cut (a regular occurrence in the
winter when there's an electrical storm) and I can ask BrritsGrrl to pop
round and trip the switch.
PS When we are at home a/c unit is not internet connected.
Jim Easterbrook
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
And in this house it is easier to find the kettle than a phone.
And I understand that these arrangements are vulnerable to hacking which
presumably threatens one's whole system.
And you get the joys of having to replace said items when the company that
made them decides not to support them any more. The messages usually go via
a server controlled by the company and subject to their whims.

See https://internetofshit.net/ for some bizarre examples.
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I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
Timers work very well for those of us who have fairly regular, and
predictable, habits. A friend of mine, who has very irregular, and
unpredictable, habits is thinking of getting an internet controlled
system, to reduce the number of times she comes home to a cold house (or
is heating an empty one).
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I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
Timers work very well for those of us who have fairly regular, and
predictable, habits. A friend of mine, who has very irregular, and
unpredictable, habits is thinking of getting an internet controlled
system, to reduce the number of times she comes home to a cold house (or
is heating an empty one).
We have a traditional central heating timer which is never used, because
we keep quite irregular hours.

If either of us feel chilly we press the button for a one hour "boost".
Later on, if one can't be bothered to go and press the button again,
it's obvious we don't need the heating.
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Nick Odell
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I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
Timers work very well for those of us who have fairly regular, and
predictable, habits. A friend of mine, who has very irregular, and
unpredictable, habits is thinking of getting an internet controlled
system, to reduce the number of times she comes home to a cold house (or
is heating an empty one).
We have a traditional central heating timer which is never used, because
we keep quite irregular hours.
If either of us feel chilly we press the button for a one hour "boost".
Later on, if one can't be bothered to go and press the button again,
it's obvious we don't need the heating.
I keep irregular hours, days, weeks and months so I have many things
on timer switches to give the outside world the impression of
regularity - and of being home when I'm not.

I've even got one of those devices that project colours onto the wall
to give the impression that somebody is watching TV. I wonder what the
TVL inspector thinks of those?

Nick
Btms
2017-04-27 07:59:44 UTC
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I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
Timers work very well for those of us who have fairly regular, and
predictable, habits. A friend of mine, who has very irregular, and
unpredictable, habits is thinking of getting an internet controlled
system, to reduce the number of times she comes home to a cold house (or
is heating an empty one).
We have a traditional central heating timer which is never used, because
we keep quite irregular hours.
If either of us feel chilly we press the button for a one hour "boost".
Later on, if one can't be bothered to go and press the button again,
it's obvious we don't need the heating.
I keep irregular hours, days, weeks and months so I have many things
on timer switches to give the outside world the impression of
regularity - and of being home when I'm not.
I've even got one of those devices that project colours onto the wall
to give the impression that somebody is watching TV. I wonder what the
TVL inspector thinks of those?
Nick
Do your curtains close automatically? Think this look cool. I don't have
big windows but if I did......
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We have a traditional central heating timer which is never used, because
we keep quite irregular hours.
If either of us feel chilly we press the button for a one hour "boost".
Later on, if one can't be bothered to go and press the button again,
it's obvious we don't need the heating.
I keep irregular hours, days, weeks and months so I have many things
on timer switches to give the outside world the impression of
regularity - and of being home when I'm not.
I've even got one of those devices that project colours onto the wall
to give the impression that somebody is watching TV. I wonder what the
TVL inspector thinks of those?
Nick
Do your curtains close automatically? Think this look cool. I don't have
big windows but if I did......
No. I have visions of an electrical fault developing and of curtains
opening and closing relentlessly for three months or so. That might
not create the intended impression...

Nick
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so I have many things
on timer switches to give the outside world the impression of
regularity - and of being home when I'm not.
I used to have to rig up timer switches for lights when we went on
holiday - particularly in winter months. A more expensive solution is
for daughter and grandson to move into the house.
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
And in this house it is easier to find the kettle than a phone.
And I understand that these arrangements are vulnerable to hacking which
presumably threatens one's whole system.
I did say it was a present! He as no hobbies but is interested in
technology. He is known for making tea.......five times a day or more! So
combining the two things was inventive of them and as it turns out, saves
two trips to the kitchen to make the early morning tea. Sadly doesn't work
beyond the house.

I wouldn't mind being able to turn the heating on when we have been away in
the winter while we are enroute back.
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
And in this house it is easier to find the kettle than a phone.
And I understand that these arrangements are vulnerable to hacking which
presumably threatens one's whole system.
I did say it was a present! He as no hobbies but is interested in
technology. He is known for making tea.......five times a day or more! So
combining the two things was inventive of them and as it turns out, saves
two trips to the kitchen to make the early morning tea. Sadly doesn't work
beyond the house.
I wouldn't mind being able to turn the heating on when we have been away in
the winter while we are enroute back.
We use Hive and, on occasions use my phone to turn on the heating when
returning from somewhere at a indeterminate time.
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
And in this house it is easier to find the kettle than a phone.
And I understand that these arrangements are vulnerable to hacking which
presumably threatens one's whole system.
I did say it was a present! He as no hobbies but is interested in
technology. He is known for making tea.......five times a day or more! So
combining the two things was inventive of them and as it turns out, saves
two trips to the kitchen to make the early morning tea. Sadly doesn't work
beyond the house.
I wouldn't mind being able to turn the heating on when we have been away in
the winter while we are enroute back.
We use Hive and, on occasions use my phone to turn on the heating when
returning from somewhere at a indeterminate time.
I don't think we have access to hive.
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saves
two trips to the kitchen to make the early morning tea.
I make my early morning* tea in the bedroom so no trips to the kitchen for
me. I also keep my preferred tea mugs in a basket** under the bed - when
it's empty I know it's time to run the dishwasher.

* FSVO early
**thus needing no kitchen cupboard/drawer space
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saves
two trips to the kitchen to make the early morning tea.
I make my early morning* tea in the bedroom so no trips to the kitchen for
me. I also keep my preferred tea mugs in a basket** under the bed - when
it's empty I know it's time to run the dishwasher.
* FSVO early
**thus needing no kitchen cupboard/drawer space
This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system. Don't argue. I
get the tea delivered every morning.
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saves
two trips to the kitchen to make the early morning tea.
I make my early morning* tea in the bedroom so no trips to the kitchen for
me. I also keep my preferred tea mugs in a basket** under the bed - when
it's empty I know it's time to run the dishwasher.
* FSVO early
**thus needing no kitchen cupboard/drawer space
This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system. Don't argue. I
get the tea delivered every morning.
I like my systems, I'm not arguing.
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This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system. Don't argue. I
get the tea delivered every morning.
I like my systems, I'm not arguing.
πŸ˜‚
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This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system. Don't argue. I
get the tea delivered every morning.
I like my systems, I'm not arguing.
?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
Post by Penny
Post by Btms
This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system.
I like my systems
(I think my system is better than anyone else's system)
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Post by Btms
Don't argue.
I'm not arguing.
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This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system. Don't argue. I
get the tea delivered every morning.
I like my systems, I'm not arguing.
?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
Post by Penny
Post by Btms
This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system.
I like my systems
(I think my system is better than anyone else's system)
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Post by Btms
Don't argue.
I'm not arguing.
Ooooooh! They are smileys on my screen. Like this one.... 😊
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?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
...
Ooooooh! They are smileys on my screen. Like this one.... ?
What, even when quoted?
Are they some sort of graphic smiley?
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?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
...
Ooooooh! They are smileys on my screen. Like this one.... ?
What, even when quoted?
Are they some sort of graphic smiley?
Yes. That was a graphic smiley face when it left me. They come from a
smiley key on the ipad screen.
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?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
...
Ooooooh! They are smileys on my screen. Like this one.... ?
What, even when quoted?
Are they some sort of graphic smiley?
Yes. That was a graphic smiley face when it left me. They come from a
smiley key on the ipad screen.
When I read BTMS post I see a smiley.
When quoted in Penny's post they are transmogrified into a question mark.
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?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
...
Ooooooh! They are smileys on my screen. Like this one.... ?
What, even when quoted?
Are they some sort of graphic smiley?
Yes. That was a graphic smiley face when it left me. They come from a
smiley key on the ipad screen.
When I read BTMS post I see a smiley.
When quoted in Penny's post they are transmogrified into a question mark.
So it isn't usenet but something at-in Penny's set up. Maybe this is why
she gets un-snipped posts her end too.
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?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
...
Ooooooh! They are smileys on my screen. Like this one.... ?
What, even when quoted?
Are they some sort of graphic smiley?
Yes. That was a graphic smiley face when it left me. They come from a
smiley key on the ipad screen.
When I read BTMS post I see a smiley.
When quoted in Penny's post they are transmogrified into a question mark.
So it isn't usenet but something at-in Penny's set up. Maybe this is why
she gets un-snipped posts her end too.
Quite the opposite, it's because it IS usenet. Penny and I use Agent,
a Usenet reader and we use it on Usenet, a text-based medium. People
who use the internet to read and write to Usenet do so with all sorts
of unintended consequences.

Nick
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This would not suit his system. He is a computer person; he likes systems.
He thinks his system is better than anyone else's system. Don't argue. I
get the tea delivered every morning.
I like my systems, I'm not arguing.
?
Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
The ? was a little smiley graphic in the original - I guess your
newsreader can't render it properly. Mine is the same with several other
symbols btms uses.
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Never sure what your question marks mean since you often place them after
The ? was a little smiley graphic in the original - I guess your
newsreader can't render it properly. Mine is the same with several other
symbols btms uses.
I use them to include a tone in the message. If nobody can see them I
won't bother. It is an attempt to convey an attitude/emotion alongside the
words. Well, obviously some folk can see them.
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I use them to include a tone in the message. If nobody can see them I
won't bother. It is an attempt to convey an attitude/emotion alongside the
words. Well, obviously some folk can see them.
I see them as question marks.

I think that usenet is generally old fashioned enough that digital
emoticons don't get translated correct, only the ones that are
actually made up of typed characters.
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Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
I have a heating system that can be controlled via a phone or laptop.
The interface is far better from the laptop, so I use that to change
the times. The phone is handy for when I go away overnight and forget
to turn the timer off. For instant temperature changes, the wireless
thermostats are much easier.

Far more useful than turning the heating on by phone are the voice
activated lights. When I go upstairs in the evening with hands full
of laptop, tablet, phone, drink and anything else, I can just tell the
lights to turn off or on as necessary. And I don't have to turn over
to put the bedside lamp on/off.

I was doing some online training the other evening to be a poll clerk
at the upcoming election [1] and whenever the presentation said
"elector", my Amazon Echo plinged because it thought I was asking it
something.

[1] I'm currently on the reserve call out list for the local elections
and may well get picked for the first team in the GE, if I don't go
away in June.
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[1] I'm currently on the reserve call out list for the local elections
and may well get picked for the first team in the GE, if I don't go
away in June.
I'll vote for you ... (-:
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Mr and Mrs BTMS have disputes over whether the water should be boiling or
freshly boiled. But the family gave him a kettle he can turn on from his
phone for Christmas.
I am baffled by this desire to turn on household appliances from one's
phone.
Daughter and S-i-l seem thrilled to be able to turn on their central
heating while on the home commute: we have a central heating timer which
works quite efficiently.
And in this house it is easier to find the kettle than a phone.
And I understand that these arrangements are vulnerable to hacking which
presumably threatens one's whole system.
Wofe, earlier today asked me to take a photograph of some luggage.

"You can use your telephone, if that's more convenient."

I somehow doubt if there are many people out there who would mingle the
words "telephone" and photograph" in that manner.
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Do you mean one of those little machines with a "tank" that heats a
cupful of water? My sister has 2 of them. I am dubious about them
because water for tea should be boiling and water for coffee should be
less than boiling. The machine just does one temperature - don't know
if that's boiling or less than.
Theirs heats more than a cupful of water. It is plumbed in. There was
talk about effer having one in the new kitchen, which is why I mentioned it
after the wine fridge comments. It seems to be already hot when they use
it. Never get a decent cup of tea when we stay with them. But they prefer
coffee.
I think I know those. We had one at school, safer than a kettle for those
with poor upper arm use as well as those with very poor sight, plus there
were lots of us using it so a kettle would've never kept up.

Sincerely Chris
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling. and hard water is better for tea but soft
for coffee.

I still love the Nespresso machine we inherited and we've been taking
care of it, and bought a water softner jug specially so it doesn't get
furred up, because Watford water is very hard. I haven't actually used
the stove top expresso machine since we got the Nespresso but should
do a comparison some time as I still have a packet of coffee left.
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I still love the Nespresso machine we inherited a
I so like my Tassimo machine (and so dislike the instanct coffee she
buys) that I take my Tassimo with me when I go and stay with her. (I
also keep a stock of Red Bush - vanilla or Earl Grey - at her house.)
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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
Oh I was told by Aunty Maryse, second wofe of mum's older brother,
when I was a child and stayed with them. Her real name was Ethel and
for some reason she changed it.
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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
Oh I was told by Aunty Maryse, second wofe of mum's older brother,
when I was a child and stayed with them. Her real name was Ethel and
for some reason she changed it.
My parents had teenage friends called Douglas and Ethel. They
encountered them many years later: Douglas and Ethel had married and
were now David and Elaine. My parents found this highly amusing.

And we knew a Mildred who decided in her fifties that she wanted to be
known as Anna. Once, her husband was trying to attract her attention
across a crowded room and was heard to shout "Mildred! Anna! Oh,
whatever you're calling yourself today!"
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And we knew a Mildred who decided in her fifties that she wanted to be
known as Anna.
And some of us known by our middle names deliberately. So why does
one's wofe publish the first name on Facebook? I would smack her but
she is shopping in Vilamoura.
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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
Apparently, not only boiling, but at a certain temperature; hence
mountaineers apparently can't make a good cup of tea.
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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
Apparently, not only boiling, but at a certain temperature; hence
mountaineers apparently can't make a good cup of tea.
Come to think of it, that was not umra. It was a science fiction story
by Arthur C Clarke I believe about some mishap on the moon and
increasing pressure in a cabin prevented material flowing into the cabin
and one of the passengers thanked the stewardess for his first good cup
of tea - because water boils at a lower temperature in a lower pressure.
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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
Apparently, not only boiling, but at a certain temperature; hence
mountaineers apparently can't make a good cup of tea.
Come to think of it, that was not umra. It was a science fiction story
by Arthur C Clarke I believe about some mishap on the moon and
increasing pressure in a cabin prevented material flowing into the cabin
and one of the passengers thanked the stewardess for his first good cup
of tea - because water boils at a lower temperature in a lower pressure.
I learned that (can't make tea up a mountain) at school*.

I reckoned you might be able to with a pressure cooker.

*Along with different blends sold in different areas to suit local water
supplies - doubt this happens now.
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*Along with different blends sold in different areas to suit local water
supplies - doubt this happens now.
I have seen Scottish blend tea in....er..Scotland
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*Along with different blends sold in different areas to suit local water
supplies - doubt this happens now.
I have seen Scottish blend tea in....er..Scotland
Yorkshire Tea (TM) comes in hard and soft water varieties.

john
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Along with different blends sold in different areas to suit local water
supplies - doubt this happens now.
Oh but it does. We went to Abergavenny recently and the wofe acquired
some Welsh tea which she enjoyed (and as previously remarked I do not
drink tea). She liked it so much she tried to get some Welsh tea when
we returned home but the local supermarket does not stock it.

http://www.welshbrewtea.co.uk/

We have hard water. I suspect they have soft water.
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Along with different blends sold in different areas to suit local water
supplies - doubt this happens now.
Oh but it does. We went to Abergavenny recently and the wofe acquired
some Welsh tea which she enjoyed (and as previously remarked I do not
drink tea). She liked it so much she tried to get some Welsh tea when
we returned home but the local supermarket does not stock it.
http://www.welshbrewtea.co.uk/
We have hard water. I suspect they have soft water.
Yes, Welsh Tea is available in Wales but it comes in packaging remarkably
similar to Yorkshire Tea so I'd assumed it was a marketing gimmick.
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Post by Penny
Along with different blends sold in different areas to suit local water
supplies - doubt this happens now.
Oh but it does. We went to Abergavenny recently and the wofe acquired
some Welsh tea which she enjoyed (and as previously remarked I do not
drink tea). She liked it so much she tried to get some Welsh tea when
we returned home but the local supermarket does not stock it.
http://www.welshbrewtea.co.uk/
It's a sign of my age I'm sure, but when I read something like

"We’re a family owned company, established in 1993."

I tend to mutter "I've got Tee shirts older than that."
Post by krw
We have hard water. I suspect they have soft water.
Did she try Glengettie?

http://www.glengettietea.co.uk

(Which is still younger than me)
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It's a sign of my age I'm sure, but when I read something like
"WeΒ’re a family owned company, established in 1993."
I tend to mutter "I've got Tee shirts older than that."
YANAOU

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I seem to recall being told tea should be made with boiling water and
coffee not quite boiling.
I believe I learnt that on umra.
It's usually followed by the statement that white and green teas need
the water to be at a lower temperature (70Β°C).
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Me too. I never drink it.
Steve
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Me too. I never drink it.
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2017-04-26 09:00:28 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
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2017-04-26 09:07:12 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
Husband won't touch it and I didn't either, until a midwife told me to
make a flask of tea to drink when feeding a baby in the middle of the
night. I used to have trouble getting back to sleep and her theory was
that tea wouldn't keep me awake as coffee did. It seemed to work and I
developed a taste for it, although I have never understood the appeal of
Earl Grey.
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
Husband won't touch it and I didn't either, until a midwife told me to
make a flask of tea to drink when feeding a baby in the middle of the
night. I used to have trouble getting back to sleep and her theory was
that tea wouldn't keep me awake as coffee did. It seemed to work and I
developed a taste for it, although I have never understood the appeal of
Earl Grey.
B just reminded me, we went to the tea museum in Paris and he had the
Ghenkis Khan tea. I forget what I had but I recall not liking it so
had some of his. It is in ..Umbrella, the Jewish area.
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2017-04-27 07:52:55 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
Husband won't touch it and I didn't either, until a midwife told me to
make a flask of tea to drink when feeding a baby in the middle of the
night. I used to have trouble getting back to sleep and her theory was
that tea wouldn't keep me awake as coffee did. It seemed to work and I
developed a taste for it, although I have never understood the appeal of
Earl Grey.
B just reminded me, we went to the tea museum in Paris and he had the
Ghenkis Khan tea. I forget what I had but I recall not liking it so
had some of his. It is in ..Umbrella, the Jewish area.
They took all the teas and put them in a tea museum
Then charged the people a Euro and a half just to see them

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2017-04-26 09:10:43 UTC
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
Would anyone ever offer an awful cup of tea?
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 😜.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
Would anyone ever offer an awful cup of tea?
Well, that's my problem: a "nice cup of tea" is an oxymoron. All cups of
tea are awful.
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2017-04-26 09:35:42 UTC
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+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
I never have coffee and only drink certain flavours of fruit and
herb teas.

I further commit the sin of brewing a large pot, then reheating
mugs of it as required.

Did I hear someone mutter "Yorkshire!"?

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+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
I never have coffee and only drink certain flavours of fruit and
herb teas.
I further commit the sin of brewing a large pot, then reheating
mugs of it as required.
Did I hear someone mutter "Yorkshire!"?
Chris
That's the way they do it with a samovar, isn't it? Pot of strong tea,
pour a little into tea glass and add hot water. I have done that on
occasion. It's Iranian, Iraqui I think, Russian, sort of Middle
European? Should Middle have a capital there?
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That's the way they do it with a samovar, isn't it? Pot of strong tea,
pour a little into tea glass and add hot water. I have done that on
occasion.
Hmm, maybe that is what my old school friend was doing when I visited her
recently. She had a bleed on the brain a couple of years ago and was in a
London hospital for ages (she lives in Whitstable) but has been back
driving and working for a year. I get concerned messages about her from her
daughter from time to time but she sounds ok on the phone now.

Anyway, I called in to visit and was offered tea. She put a tea bag in a
mug and poured about an inch of boiling water on it and seemed surprised
when I complained the tide was out.
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2017-04-26 18:58:19 UTC
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That's the way they do it with a samovar, isn't it? Pot of strong tea,
pour a little into tea glass and add hot water. I have done that on
occasion. It's Iranian, Iraqui I think, Russian, sort of Middle
European? Should Middle have a capital there?
I would argue not, but I think I'd be in a minority these days, since
capitals seem to be a creeping plague. (Doing genealogy I encounter old
documents, and find fewer capitalised locational prefixes).

If saying north(ern) Europe, I'd argue it doesn't need a capital if
you're just saying it to give location; if naming the area as a distinct
entity, then arguably it could have one, though I'd tend not to myself.
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It's Iranian, Iraqui I think, Russian, sort of Middle
European? Should Middle have a capital there?
I would argue not, but I think I'd be in a minority these days, since
capitals seem to be a creeping plague. (Doing genealogy I encounter old
documents, and find fewer capitalised locational prefixes).
If saying north(ern) Europe, I'd argue it doesn't need a capital if
you're just saying it to give location; if naming the area as a distinct
entity, then arguably it could have one, though I'd tend not to myself.
Hm, interesting, I'm never sure whether Mid Wales should have a capital
(or, indeed, a hyphen). I'm none the wiser :(
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It's Iranian, Iraqui I think, Russian, sort of Middle
European? Should Middle have a capital there?
I would argue not, but I think I'd be in a minority these days, since
capitals seem to be a creeping plague. (Doing genealogy I encounter old
documents, and find fewer capitalised locational prefixes).
If saying north(ern) Europe, I'd argue it doesn't need a capital if
you're just saying it to give location; if naming the area as a distinct
entity, then arguably it could have one, though I'd tend not to myself.
Hm, interesting, I'm never sure whether Mid Wales should have a capital
(or, indeed, a hyphen). I'm none the wiser :(
Wouldn't Cardiff get upset?

Whether that would be a Good Thing or a Bad Thing is left as an exercise
for the reader.

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Hm, interesting, I'm never sure whether Mid Wales should have a capital
(or, indeed, a hyphen). I'm none the wiser :(
I'd say definitely for the hyphen, as mid is not (to me anyway! I'm sure
it is to some people) a word on its own, unlike say north and south.

My anti-capitalist (!) prejudice would say it doesn't need one, but even
I admit that it looks a little odd when tacked onto something that does
have one, such as Wales.
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Hm, interesting, I'm never sure whether Mid Wales should have a capital
(or, indeed, a hyphen). I'm none the wiser :(
I'd say definitely for the hyphen, as mid is not (to me anyway! I'm sure
it is to some people) a word on its own, unlike say north and south.
My anti-capitalist (!) prejudice would say it doesn't need one, but even
I admit that it looks a little odd when tacked onto something that does
have one, such as Wales.
True but it as it is short for middle Wales, I think that lower case middle
looks right though mid does look odd.
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Hm, interesting, I'm never sure whether Mid Wales should have a capital
(or, indeed, a hyphen). I'm none the wiser :(
I'd say definitely for the hyphen, as mid is not (to me anyway! I'm sure
it is to some people) a word on its own, unlike say north and south.
My anti-capitalist (!) prejudice would say it doesn't need one, but even
I admit that it looks a little odd when tacked onto something that does
have one, such as Wales.
True but it as it is short for middle Wales, I think that lower case middle
looks right though mid does look odd.
One (or I, at least) never hears my area referred to as middle Wales,
frequently as mid Wales. I was quite confused when asked in a survey if I
lived in north or south Wales (both of which I feel should be capitalised).
I wanted to answer 'no' but this was not an option.
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My anti-capitalist (!) prejudice would say it doesn't need one, but even
I admit that it looks a little odd when tacked onto something that does
have one, such as Wales.
True but it as it is short for middle Wales, I think that lower case middle
looks right though mid does look odd.
One (or I, at least) never hears my area referred to as middle Wales,
frequently as mid Wales. I was quite confused when asked in a survey if I
lived in north or south Wales (both of which I feel should be capitalised).
I wanted to answer 'no' but this was not an option.
A contraction of middle, no suggestion middle has ever been used. A
language point not a mapping description.
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One (or I, at least) never hears my area referred to as middle Wales,
frequently as mid Wales. I was quite confused when asked in a survey if I
lived in north or south Wales (both of which I feel should be capitalised).
I wanted to answer 'no' but this was not an option.
They usually are capitalised, aren't they?
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I further commit the sin of brewing a large pot, then reheating
mugs of it as required.
+1
My tea bill has reduced significantly.
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But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea ?.
Me too. I never drink it.
+1
+2. This saddens me, because there are plenty of tiimes when a "nie cup
of tea" seems to offer comfort and cheer to others, but I hate the taste
of it.
As a child I drank it with milk and sugar, and then dropped the sugar.
At some point I began to drink it with no milk, but with sweetner.
Possibly at sea as they had funny tasting milk there when we first
sailed in the 70s.

I don't like strong builders' tea. I like tea in foreign parts as it
is smokey or a bit scented. Best of all was when we stayed all in in
a hotel in Cuba. I stole lots of teabags from the morning buffet and
brought them home, but haven't found the same ones here. I now use
Fair Trade Organice White tea. Just take the teabag out fairly soon.

I like mint tea and we experimented last year with a pack of six
different mints to grow in the garden to see if I could find the one
used in Morocco. We didn't quite get it but what we have is not bad,
except tiny crawly things grow on them and lay eggs so each leaf has
to be carefully washed before use. Tea with crawly is not good.
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Tea with crawly is not good.
Try using hotter water. Dead crawly can be swalloed.
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
I look up to her.
But we do not have one of those ready hot water outlets for tea making. We
have some friends who do and find it makes really awful tea. We are fussy
about tea 0 >>
Me too. I never drink it.
Steve
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I never drink it when on my own; when I'm with people who do as a matter
of course, I join them as a social activity (as long as it's not Earl
Grey or similar). But, as with coffee, since I take milk and two sugars
(or one sugar and one pill), there's no point in giving me anything
fancy/expensive.
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
The only reason for refrigerating wine is that low temperatures deadens
the sense of taste, so poor wine is less likely to taste poor.

Cellars are not as cold as fridges.
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Are the SWs seriously suggesting that Jenny's kitchen does not have a
special wine fridge? Even we have one of those.
The only reason for refrigerating wine is that low temperatures deadens
the sense of taste, so poor wine is less likely to taste poor.
Cellars are not as cold as fridges.
We keep our wine fridge warmer than the fridge, for just this reason.
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