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Steve Hague
2017-07-30 07:58:52 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's annoying.
I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing, but solutions
they aren't.
Steve
BrritSki
2017-07-30 08:05:31 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's annoying.
I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing, but solutions
they aren't.
Not sure what you mean by "start up menu" ? Is that the button with the
window pane on it at the left of the task bar ?

I'm sure my new laptop with Win10 Home is slightly different to my old
one (which is broken so I can't check) in that I don't recall that when
I clicked on that windows button that there was a sub menu on the left
hand side of the screen with (from bottom up):
- a POWER button (icon of circle with a vertical bar breaking the top
half of it)
- a settings button (gear wheel icon)
- a user button (person silhouette icon)
- (at the top) a 3 horizontal bar icon which expands this menu

Are those there ?
Steve Hague
2017-07-30 09:00:39 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's
annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing,
but solutions they aren't.
Not sure what you mean by "start up menu" ? Is that the button with the
window pane on it at the left of the task bar ?
I'm sure my new laptop with Win10 Home is slightly different to my old
one (which is broken so I can't check) in that I don't recall that when
I clicked on that windows button that there was a sub menu on the left
- a POWER button (icon of circle with a vertical bar breaking the top
half of it)
- a settings button (gear wheel icon)
- a user button (person silhouette icon)
- (at the top) a 3 horizontal bar icon which expands this menu
Are those there ?
They are. Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box pops
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button now just
shows the current user, with no option to change.
BrritSki
2017-07-30 09:14:39 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's
annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing,
but solutions they aren't.
Not sure what you mean by "start up menu" ? Is that the button with the
window pane on it at the left of the task bar ?
I'm sure my new laptop with Win10 Home is slightly different to my old
one (which is broken so I can't check) in that I don't recall that when
I clicked on that windows button that there was a sub menu on the left
- a POWER button (icon of circle with a vertical bar breaking the top
half of it)
- a settings button (gear wheel icon)
- a user button (person silhouette icon)
- (at the top) a 3 horizontal bar icon which expands this menu
Are those there ?
They are. Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box pops
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button now just
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Sorry, don't think I can help with that. Good luck with googling.
Penny
2017-07-30 09:35:50 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box pops
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button now just
shows the current user, with no option to change.
I've been having monitor problems - the monitor sometimes refuses to wake
up and when switching it off and on again doesn't work the only other
option I've come up with is to reboot or power off. As a pre-mouse user I
figured there must be a keyboard only option for shut down and on Win10 it
goes:
Windows key
tab once
down arrow 4 times
enter twice

As your monitor is working I suggest you try this and see if it looks
likely to work.

If it does I think the problem may lie with your mouse - feed it some
chocolate or buy a new one :)
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kosmo
2017-07-30 09:38:06 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box pops
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button now just
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Can you uninstall the latest update and see if normality is resumed?
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Fenny
2017-07-30 10:03:38 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box
pops
Post by Steve Hague
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button
now just
Post by Steve Hague
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Can you uninstall the latest update and see if normality is resumed?
Is that an option with W10? The thing I don't like is that I get no
say over when the updates happen and what it does. Last week, it
updated and the wifi adaptor wouldn't work until I ran the
troubleshooter. Each update brings a random driver issue.
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BrritSki
2017-07-30 10:08:17 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box
pops
Post by Steve Hague
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button
now just
Post by Steve Hague
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Can you uninstall the latest update and see if normality is resumed?
Is that an option with W10? The thing I don't like is that I get no
say over when the updates happen and what it does. Last week, it
updated and the wifi adaptor wouldn't work until I ran the
troubleshooter. Each update brings a random driver issue.
I haven't had any such problems with broken laptop, nor yet with new as
I haven't had an update for it yet. I assume Win 10 updates set restore
points, but can't check obviously...
Chris J Dixon
2017-07-31 07:33:48 UTC
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I haven't had any such problems with broken laptop, nor yet with new as
I haven't had an update for it yet. I assume Win 10 updates set restore
points, but can't check obviously...
IIRC, unlike earlier versions, Win 10 doesn't create restore
points by default, you have to turn them on.

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Steve Hague
2017-07-31 15:42:00 UTC
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I haven't had any such problems with broken laptop, nor yet with new as
I haven't had an update for it yet. I assume Win 10 updates set restore
points, but can't check obviously...
IIRC, unlike earlier versions, Win 10 doesn't create restore
points by default, you have to turn them on.
Chris
That's right. It's as if they didn't want us to use System Restore.
Peter Percival
2017-07-31 16:09:40 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
I haven't had any such problems with broken laptop, nor yet with
new as I haven't had an update for it yet. I assume Win 10
updates set restore points, but can't check obviously...
IIRC, unlike earlier versions, Win 10 doesn't create restore points
by default, you have to turn them on.
Chris
That's right. It's as if they didn't want us to use System Restore.
What happens if a Win10 computer is not connected to the internet? Is
the user ordered to connect it? Are there threats of violence? Etc.
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Mike
2017-07-31 17:32:49 UTC
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I haven't had any such problems with broken laptop, nor yet with
new as I haven't had an update for it yet. I assume Win 10
updates set restore points, but can't check obviously...
IIRC, unlike earlier versions, Win 10 doesn't create restore points
by default, you have to turn them on.
Chris
That's right. It's as if they didn't want us to use System Restore.
What happens if a Win10 computer is not connected to the internet? Is
the user ordered to connect it? Are there threats of violence? Etc.
The WinPolice jump out smashing the display screen and wipe the hard
drive...
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krw
2017-08-03 14:59:50 UTC
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What happens if a Win10 computer is not connected to the internet?  Is
the user ordered to connect it?  Are there threats of violence?
No upgrades, so problems are not fixed with the next round. Essentially
the software is permanently bugged (it always was of course) but if you
are connected you get fixed, probably before the average user has
encountered the bug.
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Peter Percival
2017-08-03 15:20:20 UTC
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What happens if a Win10 computer is not connected to the internet?
Is the user ordered to connect it? Are there threats of violence?
No upgrades, so problems are not fixed with the next round.
Essentially the software is permanently bugged (it always was of
course) but if you are connected you get fixed, probably before the
average user has encountered the bug.
I know nothing about Win10, but other Windowses that I have used have
had a constant stream of bug fixing (supposedly) updates. That stopped,
not when the o/s was bug-free, but when support stopped. Let us call
the sequence of bug fixing (supposedly) Win10 updates

Win10', Win10'', Win10''', ...

Now you say that without those updates Win10 is permanently bugged, so
where in that sequence does it become permanently bug-free? I think we
both know the answer is nowhere.

Were I to use a not-updated Win10 computer, it will have (let's say)
87478 bugs in it; and if I update it, it will have

87474, 87469, 87466, ...

bugs in it. Why bother? Win10 will be discontinued long before that
sequence reaches 0. Actually my made-up sequence of numbers is too
optimistic, for I have assumed that no update introduces more bugs than
it fixes. What reason is there for thinking that that is so?
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to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
krw
2017-08-03 21:40:12 UTC
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Win10 will be discontinued long before that sequence reaches 0.
Wrong. We have Win10 forever now. With ongoing incremental changes
which will be bugged so the regular updates will continue to be needed -
but as before the average user will not spot a but before it gets fixed
because we do not use all of the software.
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2017-07-31 16:42:50 UTC
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That's right. It's as if they didn't want us to use System Restore.
Because of the regular updates the system can now back up to before
the last update and then roll forward as Steve found.
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2017-07-30 15:30:43 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:35:50 +0100, Penny
Post by Steve Hague
Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box
pops
Post by Steve Hague
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button
now just
Post by Steve Hague
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Can you uninstall the latest update and see if normality is
resumed?
Post by Fenny
Is that an option with W10? The thing I don't like is that I get no
say over when the updates happen and what it does. Last week, it
updated and the wifi adaptor wouldn't work until I ran the
troubleshooter. Each update brings a random driver issue.
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Fenny
It is usually.
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Vicky
2017-07-30 10:09:05 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's
annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing,
but solutions they aren't.
Not sure what you mean by "start up menu" ? Is that the button with the
window pane on it at the left of the task bar ?
I'm sure my new laptop with Win10 Home is slightly different to my old
one (which is broken so I can't check) in that I don't recall that when
I clicked on that windows button that there was a sub menu on the left
- a POWER button (icon of circle with a vertical bar breaking the top
half of it)
- a settings button (gear wheel icon)
- a user button (person silhouette icon)
- (at the top) a 3 horizontal bar icon which expands this menu
Are those there ?
They are. Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box pops
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button now just
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Have you still got the settings button just above the power one? In
settings go to additional power settings and you should be able to
change what the buttons do. Is that still there for you? (I asked b)
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Steve Hague
2017-07-30 13:02:51 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's
annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing,
but solutions they aren't.
Not sure what you mean by "start up menu" ? Is that the button with the
window pane on it at the left of the task bar ?
I'm sure my new laptop with Win10 Home is slightly different to my old
one (which is broken so I can't check) in that I don't recall that when
I clicked on that windows button that there was a sub menu on the left
- a POWER button (icon of circle with a vertical bar breaking the top
half of it)
- a settings button (gear wheel icon)
- a user button (person silhouette icon)
- (at the top) a 3 horizontal bar icon which expands this menu
Are those there ?
They are. Normally when I click on the power button a box pops up with
three options in it, shut down, restart or hibernate. Now the box pops
up for a fraction of a second, then disappears. The user button now just
shows the current user, with no option to change.
Have you still got the settings button just above the power one? In
settings go to additional power settings and you should be able to
change what the buttons do. Is that still there for you? (I asked b)
It is thanks Vicky. It works, but there's nothing that affects my issue.
Flop
2017-07-30 10:37:47 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's annoying.
I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing, but solutions
they aren't.
Steve
http://www.tweaking.com/content/page/windows_repair_all_in_one.html

Slow but very thorough.
Read the instructions *very* carefully
Free.

If you are desperate...

http://www.reimageplus.com/

Removes and replaces all Windows programs and components

Approximately £28

HTH
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The General said, "I believe that forgiving them is God's function...
OUR job is to arrange the meeting."
Steve Hague
2017-07-30 13:07:31 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's
annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing,
but solutions they aren't.
Steve
http://www.tweaking.com/content/page/windows_repair_all_in_one.html
Slow but very thorough.
Read the instructions *very* carefully
Free.
I might well give that a go.
Post by Flop
If you are desperate...
http://www.reimageplus.com/
Removes and replaces all Windows programs and components
Approximately £28
HTH
Not that desperate. My experience of sites that charge you money is that
they are no more likely to solve your problem than the free ones.
Steve Hague
2017-07-30 15:45:01 UTC
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Post by Steve Hague
Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut the pc
down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but it's
annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from t'interwebby thing,
but solutions they aren't.
Steve
http://www.tweaking.com/content/page/windows_repair_all_in_one.html
Slow but very thorough.
Read the instructions *very* carefully
Free.
I might well give that a go.
Post by Flop
If you are desperate...
http://www.reimageplus.com/
Removes and replaces all Windows programs and components
Approximately £28
HTH
Not that desperate. My experience of sites that charge you money is that
they are no more likely to solve your problem than the free ones.
Problem solved. I got my computer to remove the latest W10 update.
Steve
Peter Percival
2017-07-30 15:59:06 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut
the pc down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but
it's annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from
t'interwebby thing, but solutions they aren't. Steve
Problem solved. I got my computer to remove the latest W10 update.
May I ask, is there a way for you to stop Microsoft reinstalling it
again in the future?
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Do, as a concession to my poor wits, Lord Darlington, just explain
to me what you really mean.
I think I had better not, Duchess. Nowadays to be intelligible is
to be found out. -- Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
Steve Hague
2017-07-30 16:23:07 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut
the pc down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but
it's annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from
t'interwebby thing, but solutions they aren't. Steve
Problem solved. I got my computer to remove the latest W10 update.
May I ask, is there a way for you to stop Microsoft reinstalling it
again in the future?
There isn't an option for that, but my computer reports that it is fully
up to date, which I choose to receive as a positive sign.
Flop
2017-07-30 16:47:24 UTC
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Two start up menu functions have stopped working. I can't shut
the pc down or switch users. There are other ways to do it, but
it's annoying. I've tried a couple of solutions from
t'interwebby thing, but solutions they aren't. Steve
Problem solved. I got my computer to remove the latest W10 update.
May I ask, is there a way for you to stop Microsoft reinstalling it
again in the future?
There isn't an option for that, but my computer reports that it is fully
up to date, which I choose to receive as a positive sign.
There are several methods to stop Windows 10 updates.

Google "stop windows 10 update".

The main advantage is to stop problems caused by installation and only
update a week or two later after everyone else has tested it.
However, there is no simple way to know when an update was blocked :-(
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General Norman Schwarzkopf was asked if he thought there was room for
forgiveness toward terrorists.
The General said, "I believe that forgiving them is God's function...
OUR job is to arrange the meeting."
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