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Sally Thompson
2018-05-27 14:13:54 UTC
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Although I drink tap water, my OH likes the bottled fizzy variety and in an
attempt to stop using “one-use” plastic bottles I’ve been looking at the
modern versions of the soda syphon.

I’ve earmarked two: the Levivo

<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Levivo-Carbonator-Drinking-individual-carbonation/dp/B017WNEKEY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1527429537&sr=8-3&keywords=water+carbonator&dpID=51iGhXlJisL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch>


and one of the Sodastream models (the cheapest!)

<https://www.amazon.co.uk/SodaStream-Spirit-Sparkling-Water-Maker/dp/B01MSZ58DO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527429537&sr=8-1&keywords=water+carbonator&dpID=41u4lmi-IeL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch>.

They are both the same price, £59.99, but the Levivo comes with two bottles
whereas the Sodastream appears to have only one. I’m slightly leaning
towards the Levivo at present but I wondered if any umrats had one or other
of these and had any comments?
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Clive Arthur
2018-05-27 15:06:32 UTC
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On 27/05/2018 15:13, Sally Thompson wrote:

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Post by Sally Thompson
They are both the same price, £59.99, but the Levivo comes with two bottles
whereas the Sodastream appears to have only one. I’m slightly leaning
towards the Levivo at present but I wondered if any umrats had one or other
of these and had any comments?
Carbon Dioxide dissolves better in cold water. With two bottles, you
can have one in use while the other is in the fridge filled with tap water.

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Sally Thompson
2018-05-27 16:28:18 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
They are both the same price, £59.99, but the Levivo comes with two bottles
whereas the Sodastream appears to have only one. I’m slightly leaning
towards the Levivo at present but I wondered if any umrats had one or other
of these and had any comments?
Carbon Dioxide dissolves better in cold water. With two bottles, you
can have one in use while the other is in the fridge filled with tap water.
Cheers
Indeed. We have also remembered that when we had some water outage we were
left multiple bottles of still water from our water company which are in
the garage and will be deployed for the purpose in due time.
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Rosemary Miskin
2018-05-27 17:40:45 UTC
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Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments? 
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.

Rosemary
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2018-05-27 18:26:21 UTC
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We've had a Sodastream for many years,
I bet IANAOU in finding that I keep thinking of this soprano while
reading this thread:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_S%C3%B6derstr%C3%B6m
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Sally Thompson
2018-05-27 22:22:23 UTC
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We've had a Sodastream for many years,
I bet IANAOU in finding that I keep thinking of this soprano while
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_S%C3%B6derstr%C3%B6m
:-)
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-05-29 02:15:43 UTC
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We've had a Sodastream for many years,
I bet IANAOU in finding that I keep thinking of this soprano while
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_S%C3%B6derstr%C3%B6m
:-)
You remind me of the reference some commentator/wag made, during
whichever Gulf war it was, to "Elizabeth Schwartzkopf's son Norman" ...
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Fenny
2018-05-27 20:51:34 UTC
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Rosemary Miskin
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Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments? 
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.
I have a Sodastream Play. I haven't used it much this year, but it's
very simple to use. The bottles have "Do not use after" dates on them
and both of mine (IIRC, it came with 2) have expired and I need to
source some more.

I use their syrups to make my own tonic water and similar things. For
"pop", I also just use normal squash.
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Sally Thompson
2018-05-27 22:25:11 UTC
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Rosemary Miskin
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Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments? 
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.
I have a Sodastream Play. I haven't used it much this year, but it's
very simple to use. The bottles have "Do not use after" dates on them
and both of mine (IIRC, it came with 2) have expired and I need to
source some more.
I use their syrups to make my own tonic water and similar things. For
"pop", I also just use normal squash.
Thanks Fenny. I’ve tried to find the Sodastream Play but it seems to be out
of stock everywhere. By the way, I see from a customer comment that you can
source the bottles at Argos.
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Mike
2018-05-28 08:00:49 UTC
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Rosemary Miskin
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Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments? 
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.
I have a Sodastream Play. I haven't used it much this year, but it's
very simple to use. The bottles have "Do not use after" dates on them
and both of mine (IIRC, it came with 2) have expired and I need to
source some more.
I use their syrups to make my own tonic water and similar things. For
"pop", I also just use normal squash.
Thanks Fenny. I’ve tried to find the Sodastream Play but it seems to be out
of stock everywhere. By the way, I see from a customer comment that you can
source the bottles at Argos.
For just 1800 green shield stamps each...
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Fenny
2018-05-28 12:18:54 UTC
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On 27 May 2018 22:25:11 GMT, Sally Thompson
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 10:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Rosemary Miskin
Post by Rosemary Miskin
Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments? 
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.
I have a Sodastream Play. I haven't used it much this year, but it's
very simple to use. The bottles have "Do not use after" dates on them
and both of mine (IIRC, it came with 2) have expired and I need to
source some more.
I use their syrups to make my own tonic water and similar things. For
"pop", I also just use normal squash.
Thanks Fenny. I’ve tried to find the Sodastream Play but it seems to be out
of stock everywhere. By the way, I see from a customer comment that you can
source the bottles at Argos.
I have a feeling they "retire" models after a period of time to force
you to upgrade!

There are souces of bottles, I just need to find the most cost
effective. As we've recently had a new set of employee offers at work
which includes money off at Argos, that may be the option I end up
going with.
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Sally Thompson
2018-05-27 22:22:23 UTC
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Post by Rosemary Miskin
Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments? 
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.
A smaller size would be useful to store in the fridge, but I suppose you
can make a litre and pour it into two smaller bottles provided you do them
up tightly?
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Steve Hague
2018-05-28 13:37:06 UTC
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Post by Rosemary Miskin
Sally asked
I wondered if any umrats had one or other of these and
had any comments?
We've had a Sodastream for many years, and are happy with
it. I forget how many bottles it came with, but extra are
available. I think we've got six of various sizes.
A smaller size would be useful to store in the fridge, but I suppose you
can make a litre and pour it into two smaller bottles provided you do them
up tightly?
Someone on local radio was wondering last week why water which had been
around for millions of years suddenly aquired a use by date once
bottled. Someone else pointed out that the plastic bottle reacts with
the water to produce a not particularly wholesome solution.
Steve

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Rosemary Miskin
2018-05-28 17:22:48 UTC
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. Someone else pointed out that the plastic bottle reacts with 
the water to produce a not particularly wholesome solution. 
Another benefit of the Sodastream route: you make tap water fizzy when you want it,
so it only spends a short time in the bottle, rather than the days or weeks of
bought fizzy water.

Rosemary
Sally Thompson
2018-05-28 21:10:09 UTC
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. Someone else pointed out that the plastic bottle reacts with 
the water to produce a not particularly wholesome solution. 
Another benefit of the Sodastream route: you make tap water fizzy when you want it,
so it only spends a short time in the bottle, rather than the days or weeks of
bought fizzy water.
This is a wonderful group for learning a lot!
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2018-05-29 02:21:24 UTC
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Someone on local radio was wondering last week why water which had been
around for millions of years suddenly aquired a use by date once
bottled. Someone else pointed out that the plastic bottle reacts with
the water to produce a not particularly wholesome solution.
Steve
I think it's also that the water in the rocks (or wherever it has spent
the millions of years) is away from sunlight (or other light), whereas
in bottles, things can grow.

I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water company
when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or two, and to
me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and inadequate in another
(it was more than enough for drinking, but not really enough for washing
and certainly not for flushing). I'd like to give them back (since I
didn't in fact use any); they're sitting on a shelf in my 'fridge for
the moment as I have the space, but I'll have to throw them out
eventually.
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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water company
when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or two, and to
me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and inadequate in another
(it was more than enough for drinking, but not really enough for washing
and certainly not for flushing). I'd like to give them back (since I
didn't in fact use any); they're sitting on a shelf in my 'fridge for
the moment as I have the space, but I'll have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or
two, and to me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another (it was more than enough for drinking, but not
really enough for washing and certainly not for flushing). I'd like
to give them back (since I didn't in fact use any); they're sitting
on a shelf in my 'fridge for the moment as I have the space, but I'll
have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
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2018-05-29 14:59:06 UTC
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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or
two, and to me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another (it was more than enough for drinking, but not
really enough for washing and certainly not for flushing). I'd like
to give them back (since I didn't in fact use any); they're sitting
on a shelf in my 'fridge for the moment as I have the space, but I'll
have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
....and the water ;-)
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2018-05-29 19:38:31 UTC
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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or
two, and to me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another (it was more than enough for drinking, but not
really enough for washing and certainly not for flushing). I'd like
to give them back (since I didn't in fact use any); they're sitting
on a shelf in my 'fridge for the moment as I have the space, but I'll
have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
....and the water ;-)
Now you're just taking the p<NO CARRIER>

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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company  when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or
two, and to  me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another  (it was more than enough for drinking, but not
really enough for washing  and certainly not for flushing). I'd like
to give them back (since I  didn't in fact use any); they're sitting
on a shelf in my 'fridge for  the moment as I have the space, but I'll
have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
....and the water ;-)
Now you're just taking the p<NO CARRIER>
No carrier? Do you mean

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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company  when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day
or two, and to  me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another  (it was more than enough for drinking, but
not really enough for washing  and certainly not for flushing). I'd
like to give them back (since I  didn't in fact use any); they're
sitting on a shelf in my 'fridge for  the moment as I have the
space, but I'll have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
....and the water ;-)
Now you're just taking the p<NO CARRIER>
No carrier? Do you mean
"Aquarius is off Dear."?
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Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
....and the water ;-)
Now you're just taking the p<NO CARRIER>
No carrier? Do you mean
"Aquarius is off Dear."?
Aquarius is *extra*, luv.
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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or
two, and to me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another (it was more than enough for drinking, but not
really enough for washing and certainly not for flushing). I'd like
to give them back (since I didn't in fact use any); they're sitting
on a shelf in my 'fridge for the moment as I have the space, but
I'll have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
Seems even more wrong to let it go to waste and/or take up space in the
fridge indefinitely.

Houseplants? Garden plants? Bath?

Anne B
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I have three bottles of water we were issued by the local water
company when we had a cutoff a few months ago - it was only a day or
two, and to me it seemed an over-reaction in one sense, and
inadequate in another (it was more than enough for drinking, but not
really enough for washing and certainly not for flushing). I'd like
to give them back (since I didn't in fact use any); they're sitting
on a shelf in my 'fridge for the moment as I have the space, but
I'll have to throw them out eventually.
Why not drink the water and recycle the bottles?
Just seems wrong to drink it when I have water! But I would indeed
recycle the bottles.
Seems even more wrong to let it go to waste and/or take up space in the
fridge indefinitely.
Houseplants? Garden plants? Bath?
I have one houseplant, an amaryllis/hippeastrum which puts out its
ridiculous (but very pleasing) Tannoy-like flowers every year around
March/April; that lives by my sink when not flowering, and gets waste
water daily anyway. The garden - the marigold field seems to thrive
regardless, the buddleia and lavender likewise; the only plant that
needs watering, in hot weather, is the hydrangea, and that needs a
dishbowl of water a day or more when it's really hot and dry in summer
to stop its flowerheads going brown, so three bottles wouldn't go far.
(I don't have a bath here, and am not sure how I'd use them in the
shower.)

Really, it just seemed to me a waste (of water-rate-payers' money) to
automatically and instantly dish out this bottled water. (We were only
off for part of a day.)

It could be that it's just that my neighbours were too efficient in the
distribution (I didn't have to go to the distribution point; soon after
the pallet or whatever of bottles appeared here, someone had brought me
my allocation). Maybe if those who didn't need it urgently had _not_
collected theirs (and not had them delivered), those remaining
uncollected would have been reclaimed by the water company. Though I
somehow rather doubt it.
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Seems even more wrong to let it go to waste and/or take up space in the
fridge indefinitely.
Houseplants? Garden plants? Bath?
Plants won't mind it at all. You could empty it into your rainwater
butt to go on the garden later.
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2018-05-29 15:25:58 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I think it's also that the water in the rocks (or wherever it has spent
the millions of years) is away from sunlight (or other light), whereas
in bottles, things can grow.
If you are worried about insects, moss and plants etc that might be
inside your water bottle, you might have a point but sunlight is an
age-old treatment for purification of water since it kills off microbes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_disinfection

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