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Mike
2018-06-21 13:15:17 UTC
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So now we have bonking castles do we?
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Toodle Pip
krw
2018-06-21 14:47:41 UTC
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
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BrritSki
2018-06-21 16:54:18 UTC
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-06-21 20:11:16 UTC
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Err......
Might
T
H
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T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)

Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
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Sally Thompson
2018-06-21 23:13:57 UTC
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Post by Mike
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.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Vicky Ayech
2018-06-22 08:44:28 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Serena Blanchflower
2018-06-22 09:24:18 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
I understood Kate to mean that she and Toby should pay half each. Like
you, I'm not sure either of them has the money (Kate probably assumes
Brian will pay her share) but, in theory, Kenton shouldn't be out of pocket.
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Btms
2018-06-22 16:26:11 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
--
BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.
Serena Blanchflower
2018-06-22 17:40:59 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
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Sally Thompson
2018-06-22 18:52:52 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Also I think it would constitute improper use.
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Btms
2018-06-22 19:03:23 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Also I think it would constitute improper use.
But most incidents of puncture would probably result from improper use, so
insce would be pointless.
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the Omrud
2018-06-23 08:52:33 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Also I think it would constitute improper use.
But most incidents of puncture would probably result from improper use, so
insce would be pointless.
You have grasped the essence of insurance.
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Btms
2018-06-22 19:03:22 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Aaaaagggh.....Kenton, you t**t
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BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.
Mike
2018-06-22 19:58:26 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Aaaaagggh.....Kenton, you t**t
Especially if Kate is now pregnant.
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Toodle Pip
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2018-06-22 20:30:01 UTC
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Especially if Kate is now pregnant.
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He already did,

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2018-06-23 06:40:38 UTC
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Especially if Kate is now pregnant.
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Toodle Pip
He already did,
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Kate needs money to compensate Kenton; the bank of Mum & Dad will have to
bail her out. ‘Dad, you have to give me the money, Toby was knocking me up
on the bouncing castle when my heel punctured it so you must give me the
money.’
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Toodle Pip
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2018-06-22 20:37:37 UTC
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On 21 Jun 2018 23:13:57 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by krw
Post by Mike
Err...
.....
.....
.......
Some
Spoiler
Space
Might
Be
Good
Err......
Might
T
H
A
T
Be
E
N
O
U
G
H
/
/
/
Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Aaaaagggh.....Kenton, you t**t
Especially if Kate is now pregnant.
How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is Kate
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
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2018-06-23 07:46:02 UTC
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is Kate
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the idea
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she deserves).
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2018-06-23 08:11:18 UTC
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is Kate
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the idea
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she deserves).
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another thing.
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
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2018-06-23 09:00:45 UTC
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is Kate
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the idea
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she deserves).
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another thing.
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is
Kate
Post by Btms
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Btms
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
Post by Btms
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
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BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.
Kate B
2018-06-23 11:58:38 UTC
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is
Kate
Post by Btms
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Btms
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
Post by Btms
Post by Serena Blanchflower
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
Post by Btms
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
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2018-06-23 12:39:27 UTC
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I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Well you'll just have to become celibate Kate....
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2018-06-23 15:36:56 UTC
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
Post by Btms
Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
Post by Btms
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
Post by Btms
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Indeed.

I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
about the level of detail that those about to be parents know about the
development of the unborn child, or about the detail of monitoring that
now goes on. Advice on counting the kicks and noting their timing every
day seems to me to raise anxiety to a whole new level.

None of this has been revealed to me in any soaps.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Vicky Ayech
2018-06-23 16:43:46 UTC
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Post by Btms
How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
Post by Btms
Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
Post by Btms
of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
Post by Btms
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Indeed.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
about the level of detail that those about to be parents know about the
development of the unborn child, or about the detail of monitoring that
now goes on. Advice on counting the kicks and noting their timing every
day seems to me to raise anxiety to a whole new level.
None of this has been revealed to me in any soaps.
I think pregnancies vary, and probably always did. Also how parents
interact after the birth. With 2 daughters and 3 grandchildren, aged
12, 3 and 21 months, I've noticed how differently the parents manage
and how differently each child develops. Some mums are more relaxed
and seem to enjoy the experience more than others. It seems to depend
on the parents' personalities. But the unbelievably cost of the
equipment required is the same. :).
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
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Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
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Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
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Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
Unless Jen finally rebels.
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So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Yes, but probably not realistic in a population of about 80 or whatever
we decided it is in a recent discussion. (Plus, they're a staple in
long-running dramas^WFOTWDs so more than statistically likely to occur.)
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Post by LFS
Indeed.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't remember
the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these days (though
the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one). Though
pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose. [And
of course we've lived through the 1970s inflation; the house price
comparison is ... well, consider how many shillings it costs to send a
letter now.]
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I think pregnancies vary, and probably always did. Also how parents
interact after the birth. With 2 daughters and 3 grandchildren, aged
12, 3 and 21 months, I've noticed how differently the parents manage
and how differently each child develops. Some mums are more relaxed
and seem to enjoy the experience more than others. It seems to depend
on the parents' personalities. But the unbelievably cost of the
equipment required is the same. :).
It also varies between first and second, or can. I'm told that I (first
that was born alive) had a proper baby's bottle and that sort of thing.
My brother got a coke bottle ...
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
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Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
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Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
Unless Jen finally rebels.
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So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Yes, but probably not realistic in a population of about 80 or whatever
we decided it is in a recent discussion. (Plus, they're a staple in
long-running dramas^WFOTWDs so more than statistically likely to occur.)
Post by LFS
Indeed.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't remember
the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these days (though
the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one). Though
pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".

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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
Post by Btms
Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
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Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
Unless Jen finally rebels.
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So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Yes, but probably not realistic in a population of about 80 or
whatever we decided it is in a recent discussion. (Plus, they're a
staple in long-running dramas^WFOTWDs so more than statistically
likely to occur.)
Post by LFS
Indeed.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't
remember the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these
days (though the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one).
Though pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park. And a nanny.

We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution. Could have bought
a car instead.
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I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park. And a nanny.
We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution. Could have bought
a car instead.
I had one of those umbrella buggies for first child, and then a double
one took both children. They were quite cheap, light and easy to put
up and down. Today's buggies are horrible. You need a course on how to
operate them and you can't be holding a child in one arm and use the
other. I collect 3 year old granddaughter from nursery and mum doesn't
drvie so they go by bus (and anyway she works for Greenpeace so would
anyway) and the buggy is at nursery, folded nowaways,.

I have to get buggy, lunchbox, bag of change of clothes and
granddaughter to the car and in. I used to collect a buggy fully
opened out and have to struggle to fold it down and get it into the
back of the car. I often failed and it had to sit awkwardly sideways.
At the flat, which is tiny, I have to get them all out, through the
front door, opening it with a fob, into the lift and then unlock both
locks on the flat door and stow the buggy.

It often comes unfolded at some point during this journey and I have
to try and fold it down, carrying the bags and my bag and if I fail it
is half up and half down, like Fred Fernakapan's trousers,
http://deniswright.blogspot.com/2012/06/fred-fernackerpan-and-mr-kartoffel.html

This is very awkward to carry. It isn't even good for putting the bags
in. And then in the flat, as the flat is small, everything has to be
in place and it has to be folded down tiny. If I can't, I get into
trouble when daughter comes home. 2 weeks ago I was fired! I was told
not to come the Wednesday I usually do. I was back employed last week
though :). Free childcare.
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This is very awkward to carry. It isn't even good for putting the bags
in. And then in the flat, as the flat is small, everything has to be
in place and it has to be folded down tiny. If I can't, I get into
trouble when daughter comes home. 2 weeks ago I was fired! I was told
not to come the Wednesday I usually do. I was back employed last week
though :). Free childcare.
Yeah, I'd have told them where to go!
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This is very awkward to carry. It isn't even good for putting the bags
in. And then in the flat, as the flat is small, everything has to be
in place and it has to be folded down tiny. If I can't, I get into
trouble when daughter comes home. 2 weeks ago I was fired! I was told
not to come the Wednesday I usually do. I was back employed last week
though :). Free childcare.
Yeah, I'd have told them where to go!
I did get a bit snitty. And I left 3 year old granddaughter half
undressed, bathwater in, so mum had to finish her. Mum was outraged!
You are going?? Capt Ex does some days and we both leave fast when
mum comes home, to avoid scolds. Thing is, we want to see the
children. It is simple as that. And granddaughter was adorable on
Monday last. She mostly is now. The terrible twos are over.
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2018-06-25 12:46:01 UTC
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The terrible twos are over.
Sounds like daughter could do with some quality Mum time herself?
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I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park. And a nanny.
We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution. Could have bought
a car instead.
I had one of those umbrella buggies for first child, and then a double
one took both children. They were quite cheap, light and easy to put
up and down. Today's buggies are horrible. You need a course on how to
operate them and you can't be holding a child in one arm and use the
other. I collect 3 year old granddaughter from nursery and mum doesn't
drvie so they go by bus (and anyway she works for Greenpeace so would
anyway) and the buggy is at nursery, folded nowaways,.
I have to get buggy, lunchbox, bag of change of clothes and
granddaughter to the car and in. I used to collect a buggy fully
opened out and have to struggle to fold it down and get it into the
back of the car. I often failed and it had to sit awkwardly sideways.
At the flat, which is tiny, I have to get them all out, through the
front door, opening it with a fob, into the lift and then unlock both
locks on the flat door and stow the buggy.
It often comes unfolded at some point during this journey and I have
to try and fold it down, carrying the bags and my bag and if I fail it
is half up and half down, like Fred Fernakapan's trousers,
http://deniswright.blogspot.com/2012/06/fred-fernackerpan-and-mr-kartoffel.html
I was often referred to as Fanny Fanapackan when I was a child. I hadn't
heard of Fred!
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This is very awkward to carry. It isn't even good for putting the bags
in. And then in the flat, as the flat is small, everything has to be
in place and it has to be folded down tiny. If I can't, I get into
trouble when daughter comes home. 2 weeks ago I was fired! I was told
not to come the Wednesday I usually do. I was back employed last week
though :). Free childcare.
Vicky, you are a saint. I shall not be such a hands-on grandma.
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I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park. And a nanny.
We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution. Could have bought
a car instead.
I had one of those umbrella buggies for first child, and then a double
one took both children. They were quite cheap, light and easy to put
up and down. Today's buggies are horrible. You need a course on how to
operate them and you can't be holding a child in one arm and use the
other. I collect 3 year old granddaughter from nursery and mum doesn't
drvie so they go by bus (and anyway she works for Greenpeace so would
anyway) and the buggy is at nursery, folded nowaways,.
I have to get buggy, lunchbox, bag of change of clothes and
granddaughter to the car and in. I used to collect a buggy fully
opened out and have to struggle to fold it down and get it into the
back of the car. I often failed and it had to sit awkwardly sideways.
At the flat, which is tiny, I have to get them all out, through the
front door, opening it with a fob, into the lift and then unlock both
locks on the flat door and stow the buggy.
It often comes unfolded at some point during this journey and I have
to try and fold it down, carrying the bags and my bag and if I fail it
is half up and half down, like Fred Fernakapan's trousers,
http://deniswright.blogspot.com/2012/06/fred-fernackerpan-and-mr-kartoffel.html
I was often referred to as Fanny Fanapackan when I was a child. I hadn't
heard of Fred!
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This is very awkward to carry. It isn't even good for putting the bags
in. And then in the flat, as the flat is small, everything has to be
in place and it has to be folded down tiny. If I can't, I get into
trouble when daughter comes home. 2 weeks ago I was fired! I was told
not to come the Wednesday I usually do. I was back employed last week
though :). Free childcare.
Vicky, you are a saint. I shall not be such a hands-on grandma.
I once spent an interesting hour or so on a train from Executor Central to
Reading; a fellow passenger explained to me that he was a flooring
specialist dealing in bespoke parquet flooring jobs and that he had struck
up a friendship with one of his customers, Spike Milligan. SM was a
fascinating chap to get to know, he was very friendly, knowledgable and
considerate he told me.
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Vicky, you are a saint. I shall not be such a hands-on grandma.
Not at all. Grandchildren are the best thing, and the time you can
spend with them is only a few years. Then they go to school and then
secondary school and the only thing 12 year old grandson wants to do
really is play computer games. Just like all the other kids now,
according to all the grandparents I know. We used to play games but
no longer. He is good with small sister though.
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2018-06-24 18:23:13 UTC
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I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park. And a nanny.
We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution. Could have bought
a car instead.
I had one of those umbrella buggies for first child, and then a double
one took both children. They were quite cheap, light and easy to put
up and down. Today's buggies are horrible. You need a course on how to
operate them and you can't be holding a child in one arm and use the
other. I collect 3 year old granddaughter from nursery and mum doesn't
drvie so they go by bus (and anyway she works for Greenpeace so would
anyway) and the buggy is at nursery, folded nowaways,.
I have to get buggy, lunchbox, bag of change of clothes and
granddaughter to the car and in. I used to collect a buggy fully
opened out and have to struggle to fold it down and get it into the
back of the car. I often failed and it had to sit awkwardly sideways.
At the flat, which is tiny, I have to get them all out, through the
front door, opening it with a fob, into the lift and then unlock both
locks on the flat door and stow the buggy.
It often comes unfolded at some point during this journey and I have
to try and fold it down, carrying the bags and my bag and if I fail it
is half up and half down, like Fred Fernakapan's trousers,
http://deniswright.blogspot.com/2012/06/fred-fernackerpan-and-mr-kartoffel.html
I was often referred to as Fanny Fanapackan when I was a child. I hadn't
heard of Fred!
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This is very awkward to carry. It isn't even good for putting the bags
in. And then in the flat, as the flat is small, everything has to be
in place and it has to be folded down tiny. If I can't, I get into
trouble when daughter comes home. 2 weeks ago I was fired! I was told
not to come the Wednesday I usually do. I was back employed last week
though :). Free childcare.
Vicky, you are a saint. I shall not be such a hands-on grandma.
Mike’s also used to say Fanny Fanapackan, not seen it written down, not
sure she used it specifically to mean something. Spoilt child, probably.
In mil’s view any child in her toy dept, where she was the buyer) who
behaved badly was a spoilt child.

Sincerely Chris
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
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Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
Post by Btms
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
Unless Jen finally rebels.
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Post by Kate B
Post by Btms
So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Yes, but probably not realistic in a population of about 80 or
whatever we decided it is in a recent discussion. (Plus, they're a
staple in long-running dramas^WFOTWDs so more than statistically
likely to occur.)
Post by LFS
Indeed.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't
remember the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these
days (though the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one).
Though pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park. And a nanny.
We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution. Could have bought
a car instead
The marketing folk are the same generation as the new parents. They know
which buttons to press. One dil had three different carriages for the
first one and a different one for each of the two who followed. And they
have little spare cash.....allegedly.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't
remember the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these
days (though the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one).
Though pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park.  And a nanny.
45 years ago my parents bought us a Silver Cross pram because that was
the brand they had for me and it was the best, in their view.

We bought ourselves a carry cot on a frame which was much easier to deal
with but Mum insisted that it wasn't supportive enough. And when she saw
the McLaren baby buggy that we also bought, she turned up with a
"proper" pushchair. She said putting a baby in a deckchair facing away
from the pusher was a very bad thing to do.

The big pram took up a lot of space but when Son was born we were able
to fix a seat on it for his older sister. But I was very glad to see the
back of it.
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We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution.  Could have bought
a car instead.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't
remember the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these
days (though the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one).
Though pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of use
to those who have a nearby park.  And a nanny.
45 years ago my parents bought us a Silver Cross pram because that was
the brand they had for me and it was the best, in their view.
We bought ourselves a carry cot on a frame which was much easier to deal
with but Mum insisted that it wasn't supportive enough. And when she saw
the McLaren baby buggy that we also bought, she turned up with a
"proper" pushchair. She said putting a baby in a deckchair facing away
from the pusher was a very bad thing to do.
The big pram took up a lot of space but when Son was born we were able
to fix a seat on it for his older sister. But I was very glad to see the
back of it.
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We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution.  Could have bought
a car instead.
My late mother would not have minded £1 for every Silver Cross perambulator
she must have sold in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't
remember the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these
days (though the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that
one). Though pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams,
I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of
use to those who have a nearby park.  And a nanny.
45 years ago my parents bought us a Silver Cross pram because that was
the brand they had for me and it was the best, in their view.
We bought ourselves a carry cot on a frame which was much easier to deal
with but Mum insisted that it wasn't supportive enough. And when she saw
the McLaren baby buggy that we also bought, she turned up with a
"proper" pushchair. She said putting a baby in a deckchair facing away
from the pusher was a very bad thing to do.
The big pram took up a lot of space but when Son was born we were able
to fix a seat on it for his older sister. But I was very glad to see the
back of it.
Post by the Omrud
We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution.  Could have
bought a car instead.
I was very lucky with my first pram which I acquired free of charge
because of a cock-up by a catalogue company. It had been ordered by
someone else, but I couldn't have made a better choice if I'd had the
opportunity.

A couple of weeks ago my daughter (who is a leather worker) had a new
customer turn up. She turned out to be the wife of the previous
occupant of my son's pram!
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A couple of weeks ago my daughter (who is a leather worker) had a new
customer turn up.  She turned out to be the wife of the previous
occupant of my son's pram!
I am intrigued by the conversation that could have revealed that.
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A couple of weeks ago my daughter (who is a leather worker) had a new
customer turn up.  She turned out to be the wife of the previous
occupant of my son's pram!
I am intrigued by the conversation that could have revealed that.
It partly depended on me having had the foresight to give my daughter a
rather unusual name! The customer asked "Are you the Laurel who used to
live in Broughton? My motherin-law, ______ ______, said there can't
have been too many people with that name in the area." I immediately
remembered who she and her husband were and where they lived. Then I
remembered that she had offered me her pram because her son no longer
used it and she didn't plan on any more children.

(I'm not sure whether or not it was a Silver Cross, but certainly that
type. I had mixed feelings because I would have preferred one like my
daughter had had 10 years earlier, but we couldn't afford to turn down
such a gift.)
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years  - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't
remember the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these
days (though the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that
one). Though pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams,
I suppose.
I believe you can't buy a pram or a pushchair these days, you have to
buy a "travel solution".
Actually, Silver Cross prams are still available, but only really of
use to those who have a nearby park.  And a nanny.
45 years ago my parents bought us a Silver Cross pram because that was
the brand they had for me and it was the best, in their view.
We bought ourselves a carry cot on a frame which was much easier to deal
with but Mum insisted that it wasn't supportive enough. And when she saw
the McLaren baby buggy that we also bought, she turned up with a
"proper" pushchair. She said putting a baby in a deckchair facing away
from the pusher was a very bad thing to do.
The big pram took up a lot of space but when Son was born we were able
to fix a seat on it for his older sister. But I was very glad to see the
back of it.
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We've just forked out for Daughter's travel solution.  Could have
bought a car instead.
I was very lucky with my first pram which I acquired free of charge
because of a cock-up by a catalogue company. It had been ordered by
someone else, but I couldn't have made a better choice if I'd had the
opportunity.
A couple of weeks ago my daughter (who is a leather worker) had a new
customer turn up. She turned out to be the wife of the previous
occupant of my son's pram!
Wow!

Sincerely Chris
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2018-06-24 17:48:00 UTC
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We bought ourselves a carry cot on a frame which was much easier to deal
with but Mum insisted that it wasn't supportive enough. And when she saw
the McLaren baby buggy that we also bought, she turned up with a
"proper" pushchair. She said putting a baby in a deckchair facing away
from the pusher was a very bad thing to do.
I got the biggest available carrycot on a frame with wheels too and
that was fine until #1 daughter was ok to go into the McLaren's. I
was driving around the UK at the time to visit ports where Capt Ex
(not yet Capt) was arriving on ships, and a carrycot was useful. It
fitted into the back of the car, a hatchback, and she could sleep in
it, although at some point we got a second-hand cot and left it on the
ship. I think later #2 child slept in a drawer :) pn board when tiny.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
I suspect that's mainly because demand is now minuscule - can't remember
the last time I saw a pram; pushchairs seem the norm these days (though
the US term "stroller" seems to have replaced that one). Though
pushchairs for very tiny humans _are_ a bit like prams, I suppose. [And
of course we've lived through the 1970s inflation; the house price
comparison is ... well, consider how many shillings it costs to send a
letter now.]
They are transport systems now. A pod contains the baby and it can be
transformed into a car seat or attached to wheels and undercarriage.
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I think pregnancies vary, and probably always did. Also how parents
interact after the birth. With 2 daughters and 3 grandchildren, aged
12, 3 and 21 months, I've noticed how differently the parents manage
and how differently each child develops. Some mums are more relaxed
and seem to enjoy the experience more than others. It seems to depend
on the parents' personalities. But the unbelievably cost of the
equipment required is the same. :).
It also varies between first and second, or can. I'm told that I (first
that was born alive) had a proper baby's bottle and that sort of thing.
My brother got a coke bottle ...
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years after her first. #2 daughter has been enjoyably easy about her
first child at 41.
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house!
Can’t remember how much Wunderkind paid for the first one, from M/care but
she chose it and checked I could push it. This current one may have bern a
good secondhand but still a nice one to push. Nothing fancy about it
either: not even the co,our (plain grey). I know what you mean, LFS, wait
for the baby shower (likely you have your own way of celebrating this).

Sincerely Chris
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house!
Can’t remember how much Wunderkind paid for the first one, from M/care but
she chose it and checked I could push it. This current one may have bern a
good secondhand but still a nice one to push. Nothing fancy about it
either: not even the co,our (plain grey). I know what you mean, LFS, wait
for the baby shower (likely you have your own way of celebrating this).
It seems that D-i-L has everything in hand. She is leaving shortly for a
couple of weeks with her family in the US where there will be baby
showers but she has set up a list at John Lewis and told everyone that
she doesn't want to have to bring things back.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience.
Congrats; we're in the same position. Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.

July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
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Congrats; we're in the same position. Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Congarats, David and Mrs Omrud. Nerve wracking the first time.

Sincerely Chris
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
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Congrats; we're in the same position. Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Congarats, David and Mrs Omrud. Nerve wracking the first time.
Thanks. To confound the matter, Daughter & Husband are moving house on
Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today. I think I'm
on standby with tool kit.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience.
Congrats;  we're in the same position.  Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Congarats, David and Mrs Omrud.  Nerve wracking the first time.
Thanks.  To confound the matter, Daughter & Husband are moving house on
Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today.  I think I'm
on standby with tool kit.
Gulp! I hope it all goes smoothly and that grandchild doesn't decide to
arrive early...
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Thanks. To confound the matter, Daughter & Husband are moving house on
Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today. I think I'm
on standby with tool kit.
I hope toolkit is on standby t help with the house move, not the birth .
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on Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today.  I think
I'm on standby with tool kit.
I hope toolkit is on standby t help with the house move, not the birth .
I'm told Daughter's Husband is not good with medical gubbins and may
faint once the process starts. We are on standby to offer succour, but
I suspect they won't allow tools.
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Thanks.  To confound the matter, Daughter & Husband are moving house
on Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today.  I think
I'm on standby with tool kit.
I hope toolkit is on standby t help with the house move, not the birth .
I'm told Daughter's Husband is not good with medical gubbins and may
faint once the process starts. We are on standby to offer succour, but
I suspect they won't allow tools.
Just take your DynoRod kit....
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Thanks.  To confound the matter, Daughter & Husband are moving house
on Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today.  I think
I'm on standby with tool kit.
I hope toolkit is on standby t help with the house move, not the birth .
I'm told Daughter's Husband is not good with medical gubbins and may
faint once the process starts. We are on standby to offer succour, but
I suspect they won't allow tools.
Just take your DynoRod kit....
And make sure there's a wicket keeper - just in case . . .
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience.
Congrats; we're in the same position. Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Congarats, David and Mrs Omrud. Nerve wracking the first time.
Thanks. To confound the matter, Daughter & Husband are moving house on
Friday, provided they manage to exchange contracts today. I think I'm
on standby with tool kit.
Oh yes a text book negative. But text books not always right. Does
anyone exchange on the day expected?
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy
these days is rather different from my experience.
Congrats;  we're in the same position.  Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Excellent! Hope all goes well. We have to wait until December.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy
these days is rather different from my experience.
Congrats;  we're in the same position.  Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Excellent! Hope all goes well. We have to wait until December.
Thanks, and I return your best wishes. So far so good ...
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy
these days is rather different from my experience.
Congrats;  we're in the same position.  Well, one of us is - the other
(me) is in a state of impending grandfatherhood.
July 20th for us, which is why we're back from France.
Excellent! Hope all goes well. We have to wait until December.
Thanks, and I return your best wishes. So far so good ...
Congratulations to all the grandparents-to-be and the mums and dads,
and best wishes for safe arrivals and contract exchange.
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I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
about the level of detail that those about to be parents know about the
development of the unborn child, or about the detail of monitoring that
now goes on. Advice on counting the kicks and noting their timing every
day seems to me to raise anxiety to a whole new level.
I rather wish someone had mentioned that to me 36 years ago. It might have
increased anxiety but at least I'd have had some idea there might be a
problem. Mined ewe, a scan would have been an even better idea - they were
done in the early '80s but not routinely as they are now.
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How old is Kate?  Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby.  Is
Kate
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Brahn’s daughter?  Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter.  She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
Post by Btms
Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
Post by Btms
Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
So something else for Kate to feel deprived about.
I would really like about a year or five with no pregnancy stories
whatsoever.
Indeed.
I have discovered through impending grandmotherhood that pregnancy these
days is rather different from my experience. Of course I knew that
things had changed radically over the last 40 plus years - a new pram
costs 20% of what we paid for our first house! - but I had no idea
about the level of detail that those about to be parents know about the
development of the unborn child, or about the detail of monitoring that
now goes on. Advice on counting the kicks and noting their timing every
day seems to me to raise anxiety to a whole new level.
None of this has been revealed to me in any soaps.
Likewise, Laura, and I no nuffin’ about soaps ‘cept TA. Wunderkind kept
most info to herself or too busy to impart such trifles

Sincerely Chris
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None of this has been revealed to me in any soaps.
There is a baby kicking in Emmerdale, have you missed it?
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None of this has been revealed to me in any soaps.
There is a baby kicking in Emmerdale, have you missed it?
Don't watch Emmerdale. There has to be a limit.
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is
Kate
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Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
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Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
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Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
Just as she brought up Feebs, and mad a good job of it, plus Ruiari, of
whom we have yet to form any opinion.

Sincerely Chris
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How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is
Kate
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Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
She's about 40 and yes, she is Brian's daughter. She's certainly old
enough to have one and I can't help suspecting that she'd love the
idea
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of having another (surely *this* one will love her the way she
deserves).
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Old enough to have one but whether she would want it may be another
thing.
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Though, as you say, she could do the self deception thing about the baby
loving her.
But it would probably bond more with granny Jeniffffer who'll be doing
the bulk of the childcare.
Just as she brought up Feebs, and mad a good job of it, plus Ruiari, of
whom we have yet to form any opinion.
I think Roy and Hayley should be allowed most of the credit for bringing
up Feebs. Jenny only stepped in after they broke up and when Feebs
didn't want anything to do with Roy.
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Just as she brought up Feebs, and mad a good job of it, plus Ruiari, of
whom we have yet to form any opinion.
I think Roy and Hayley should be allowed most of the credit for bringing
up Feebs. Jenny only stepped in after they broke up and when Feebs
didn't want anything to do with Roy.
Exactly. Roy did a bang up job as a single father while Kate avoided
any kind of responsibilities.
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plus Ruiari, of
whom we have yet to form any opinion.
Over indulged spoilt brat without an Irish accent I expect.
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plus Ruiari, of
whom we have yet to form any opinion.
Over indulged spoilt brat without an Irish accent I expect.
A Mute with an Irish accent.
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
(I won't say BTN, as [a] Pip would know better than I if he tastes bad
and [b] it's more MV than BT.)
Judging by Kenton's attitude, the cost of repair/replacement is quite a
bit; now that he knows who's responsible, will he seek payment - and can
he pay?
Didn’t Kate say they (I assume she meant she and Toby) should pay half?
Surely if they admit they broke it they should pay all? Not that
eitehr of them can. Will Kenton apply to Brian to pay for Kate? I
would love to hear that scene.
Don’t these things include insurance for this sort of damage?
Not if you've just borrowed it off a mate, rather than hiring it properly.
Aaaaagggh.....Kenton, you t**t
Especially if Kate is now pregnant.
How old is Kate? Shurely old enough not to welcome another baby. Is Kate
Brahn’s daughter? Another grandson might be interesting.
Did not Krait offer to be surrogate for Adam and Ian ever so briefly?

Sincerely Chris
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Did not Krait offer to be surrogate for Adam and Ian ever so briefly?
Sincerely Chris
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Err...
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
I missed a vital episode. Do I take it she wore stiletto heels for a "squiggle"?
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Ok,
So now we have bonking castles do we?
More a case of Toby being a huge let down I rather think.
Just a little prick...... and Kenton was ruined !
I missed a vital episode. Do I take it she wore stiletto heels for a "squiggle"?
Probably, if by a “squiggle”, you were referring to ‘Ugandan Relations’
and, the chances are, they were red.
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