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Spoiler for 27th September evening
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2017-09-28 14:42:34 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.

OP
John Ashby
2017-09-28 16:19:32 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
At which point Justin will bring Charlie back from exile in darkest
Dundee or wherever it was.

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2017-09-28 16:22:15 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
Which I acknowledge and I accept it is a prediction and that I have no
understanding of such matters but believe that these days such changes
in sexuality are not overly common and Ian has shown no previous sign of
being even bi?
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2017-09-28 19:21:29 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much
wailing and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
Which I acknowledge and I accept it is a prediction and that I have no
understanding of such matters but believe that these days such changes
in sexuality are not overly common and Ian has shown no previous sign of
being even bi?
I was going to say that I think I would have said "sexual relationship"
rather than "heterosexusal relationship." Somehow the latter sounds
more like a serious (or semi-serious) lasting (FSVO lasting)
relationship, whereas I would imagine an Ian/Helen scenario would be
more of a temporary-for-a-purpose relationship.
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Nick Odell
2017-09-28 20:18:04 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much
wailing and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
Which I acknowledge and I accept it is a prediction and that I have no
understanding of such matters but believe that these days such changes
in sexuality are not overly common and Ian has shown no previous sign of
being even bi?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014pw7d
....But then in the mid 80s something happened which changed Tom's life
overnight - he fell in love with a woman! The tabloid press had a field
day and he was booed when he appeared on stage at the 1987 London Gay
Pride Festival.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01jhdgl
...Comedian, writer and actress Jackie Clune dated women for 12 years
before meeting and marrying a man. She talks to those who, like her,
identified as gay and then had a heterosexual relationship.



(both programmes still available to listen to)

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Penny
2017-09-28 23:00:15 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much
wailing and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
Which I acknowledge and I accept it is a prediction and that I have no
understanding of such matters but believe that these days such changes
in sexuality are not overly common and Ian has shown no previous sign of
being even bi?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014pw7d
....But then in the mid 80s something happened which changed Tom's life
overnight - he fell in love with a woman! The tabloid press had a field
day and he was booed when he appeared on stage at the 1987 London Gay
Pride Festival.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01jhdgl
...Comedian, writer and actress Jackie Clune dated women for 12 years
before meeting and marrying a man. She talks to those who, like her,
identified as gay and then had a heterosexual relationship.
... and then there's Peggy Seeger. I'm not sure it's that uncommon for
women to turn to women (as it were) later in life and can understand the
attraction.
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Chris McMillan
2017-09-28 16:38:44 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.

Sincerely Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2017-09-28 17:23:34 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
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Mike
2017-09-28 17:33:07 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
Anglo/Irish relations?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2017-09-28 19:07:52 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
Anglo/Irish relations?
Didn't "Rhodesian negotiations" (I may have the wrong country) use to be
a euphemism for rumpy-pumpy, originally because the staff of whichever
country it was's embassy (or something like that) did indulge a lot?

(Or was that what you were referring to anyway?)
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Jim Easterbrook
2017-09-28 19:14:04 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much
wailing and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
Anglo/Irish relations?
Didn't "Rhodesian negotiations" (I may have the wrong country) use to be
a euphemism for rumpy-pumpy, originally because the staff of whichever
country it was's embassy (or something like that) did indulge a lot?
"Ugandan discussions" is the phrase you were looking for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurring_in-jokes_in_Private_Eye#Euphemisms
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
Anglo/Irish relations?
Didn't "Rhodesian negotiations" (I may have the wrong country) use to be
a euphemism for rumpy-pumpy, originally because the staff of whichever
country it was's embassy (or something like that) did indulge a lot?
(Or was that what you were referring to anyway?)
Yes it was and I think it was Ugandan relations.
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2017-09-28 20:43:39 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
Anglo/Irish relations?
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
Post by Chris McMillan
Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
It certainly wouldn't be bigamy, if Ian and Helen simply had a
relationship but didn't get married. I assume that the definition of
bigamy has been extended to include civil partnerships, but I don't know
for certain.

Ah, having googled a bit, it may not be that straightforward and,
apparently, bigamy is only for marriages. It appears to be illegal to
enter into a civil partnership while married but I haven't been able to
find anything to say what law is being broken if you marry while civilly
partnered (to someone other than your new spouse).

<http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed2310>
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2017-09-28 18:55:00 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was
just the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam
would do. Just agonise, I think.)
Post by Chris McMillan
Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
It certainly wouldn't be bigamy, if Ian and Helen simply had a
relationship but didn't get married.  I assume that the definition of
bigamy has been extended to include civil partnerships, but I don't know
for certain.
Ah, having googled a bit, it may not be that straightforward and,
apparently, bigamy is only for marriages.  It appears to be illegal to
enter into a civil partnership while married but I haven't been able to
find anything to say what law is being broken if you marry while civilly
partnered (to someone other than your new spouse).
<http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed2310>
But ... aren't Adam and Ian married now? Certainly they were civilly
partnered initially, but didn't they upgrade that? I thought that Rob's
revelation to Ian about Adam and Charlie was on the eve of the wedding.
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was
just the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam
would do. Just agonise, I think.)
Post by Chris McMillan
Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
It certainly wouldn't be bigamy, if Ian and Helen simply had a
relationship but didn't get married.  I assume that the definition of
bigamy has been extended to include civil partnerships, but I don't
know for certain.
Ah, having googled a bit, it may not be that straightforward and,
apparently, bigamy is only for marriages.  It appears to be illegal to
enter into a civil partnership while married but I haven't been able
to find anything to say what law is being broken if you marry while
civilly partnered (to someone other than your new spouse).
<http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed2310>
But ... aren't Adam and Ian married now? Certainly they were civilly
partnered initially, but didn't they upgrade that? I thought that Rob's
revelation to Ian about Adam and Charlie was on the eve of the wedding.
Yes, you're right - I'd forgotten that!
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was
just the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam
would do. Just agonise, I think.)
Post by Chris McMillan
Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
It certainly wouldn't be bigamy, if Ian and Helen simply had a
relationship but didn't get married.  I assume that the definition of
bigamy has been extended to include civil partnerships, but I don't
know for certain.
Ah, having googled a bit, it may not be that straightforward and,
apparently, bigamy is only for marriages.  It appears to be illegal
to enter into a civil partnership while married but I haven't been
able to find anything to say what law is being broken if you marry
while civilly partnered (to someone other than your new spouse).
<http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed2310>
But ... aren't Adam and Ian married now? Certainly they were civilly
partnered initially, but didn't they upgrade that? I thought that
Rob's revelation to Ian about Adam and Charlie was on the eve of the
wedding.
Yes, you're right - I'd forgotten that!
They certainly are, in which case the new relationship would be adulterous.
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Mike Headon
2017-09-30 19:56:27 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't
think they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my
mind was just the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through
what Adam would do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
It certainly wouldn't be bigamy, if Ian and Helen simply had a
relationship but didn't get married.  I assume that the definition
of bigamy has been extended to include civil partnerships, but I
don't know for certain.
Ah, having googled a bit, it may not be that straightforward and,
apparently, bigamy is only for marriages.  It appears to be illegal
to enter into a civil partnership while married but I haven't been
able to find anything to say what law is being broken if you marry
while civilly partnered (to someone other than your new spouse).
<http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed2310>
But ... aren't Adam and Ian married now? Certainly they were civilly
partnered initially, but didn't they upgrade that? I thought that
Rob's revelation to Ian about Adam and Charlie was on the eve of the
wedding.
Yes, you're right - I'd forgotten that!
They certainly are, in which case the new relationship would be adulterous.
But - adultery and consummation have not been legally defined for
same-sex marriages.
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2017-09-30 20:08:32 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
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surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't
think they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my
mind was just the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought
through what Adam would do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
It certainly wouldn't be bigamy, if Ian and Helen simply had a
relationship but didn't get married.  I assume that the definition
of bigamy has been extended to include civil partnerships, but I
don't know for certain.
Ah, having googled a bit, it may not be that straightforward and,
apparently, bigamy is only for marriages.  It appears to be illegal
to enter into a civil partnership while married but I haven't been
able to find anything to say what law is being broken if you marry
while civilly partnered (to someone other than your new spouse).
<http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed2310>
But ... aren't Adam and Ian married now? Certainly they were civilly
partnered initially, but didn't they upgrade that? I thought that
Rob's revelation to Ian about Adam and Charlie was on the eve of the
wedding.
Yes, you're right - I'd forgotten that!
They certainly are, in which case the new relationship would be adulterous.
But - adultery and consummation have not been legally defined for
same-sex marriages.
I'm pretty sure that Ian having a heterosexual affaire with Helen, while
married to Adam would be classified as adultery, although if he was
married to Helen and had a homosexual affaire with Adam, it wouldn't be.
It would count as unreasonable behaviour though (and, therefore, would
still be grounds for divorce), so the difference is pretty academic
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
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surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
It was crossing my mind too, though that will involve a divorce.
Mine too. Wouldn't _have_ to involve a divorce, though I don't think
they could _marry_ without one. (Actually, what crossed my mind was just
the Ian/Helen relationship - I hadn't thought through what Adam would
do. Just agonise, I think.)
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Sincerely Chris
If they don't divorce but the relationship happens, would that be
bigamy, or something for which we don't yet have a term?
I can't speak for your feelings on the matter, but it would be big of
Adam if he accepted it.

Cheers
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I can't speak for your feelings on the matter, but it would be big of
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OP
Will Charlie return?
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relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
OP
Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
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Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
If you mean "the little fellow", silent movie comedian, his surname was
I think spelt Chaplin. (And he was a[n IMO] excellent composer, too -
several timeless melodies, including "Smile", and I think Charmaine.)
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Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
If you mean "the little fellow", silent movie comedian, his surname was
I think spelt Chaplin. (And he was a[n IMO] excellent composer, too -
several timeless melodies, including "Smile", and I think Charmaine.)
Hmm, Charmaine was written by Erno Rapee and Lew Pollack but Chaplin
certainly composed the score for several of his films and some of his music
had words added, including 'Smile'..
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Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
If you mean "the little fellow", silent movie comedian, his surname was
I think spelt Chaplin. (And he was a[n IMO] excellent composer, too -
several timeless melodies, including "Smile", and I think Charmaine.)
He also composed a piece about machinery running noisily in a factory and
wrote ‘Limelight’ too. Oh, and yes, sorry about the mis-spelling, this was
the spelling of my great step mother in law.
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Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
If you mean "the little fellow", silent movie comedian, his surname was
I think spelt Chaplin. (And he was a[n IMO] excellent composer, too -
several timeless melodies, including "Smile", and I think Charmaine.)
He also composed a piece about machinery running noisily in a factory and
wrote ‘Limelight’ too. Oh, and yes, sorry about the mis-spelling, this was
the spelling of my great step mother in law.
Even I had paused at that one! Great step father in law died in WW II if
you’re wondering why McT didn’t write that

Sincerely Chris
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Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
If you mean "the little fellow", silent movie comedian, his surname was
I think spelt Chaplin. (And he was a[n IMO] excellent composer, too -
several timeless melodies, including "Smile", and I think Charmaine.)
Chaplin. My step mum used to be Charlie to a couple of daring friends, one
doesn’t mess about with one’s given names in her world.

Sincerely Chris
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Chaplin. My step mum used to be Charlie to a couple of daring friends, one
doesn’t mess about with one’s given names in her world.
My mother's given names were Dorothy Gertrude, both of which she hated
and she wouldn't tolerate any diminutive. One of her aunts, to her
extreme annoyance, sometimes addressed her as Doffles. My mother once
drove from Birkenhead to Wimbledon to visit her aunt and was greeted at
the door with "Hello, Doffles!" My mother very nearly turned round and
drove straight home!

My siblings and I would occasionally wind our Mum up by calling her
Doffles Gertie.
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Chaplin. My step mum used to be Charlie to a couple of daring friends, one
doesn’t mess about with one’s given names in her world.
My mother's given names were Dorothy Gertrude, both of which she hated
and she wouldn't tolerate any diminutive. One of her aunts, to her
extreme annoyance, sometimes addressed her as Doffles. My mother once
drove from Birkenhead to Wimbledon to visit her aunt and was greeted at
the door with "Hello, Doffles!" My mother very nearly turned round and
drove straight home!
My siblings and I would occasionally wind our Mum up by calling her
Doffles Gertie.
I think Doffles is lovely. Sort of cuddly.
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Chaplin. My step mum used to be Charlie to a couple of daring friends, one
doesn’t mess about with one’s given names in her world.
My mother's given names were Dorothy Gertrude, both of which she hated
and she wouldn't tolerate any diminutive. One of her aunts, to her
extreme annoyance, sometimes addressed her as Doffles. My mother once
drove from Birkenhead to Wimbledon to visit her aunt and was greeted at
the door with "Hello, Doffles!" My mother very nearly turned round and
drove straight home!
My siblings and I would occasionally wind our Mum up by calling her
Doffles Gertie.
I think Doffles is lovely. Sort of cuddly.
I do remember step-nanna saying Dorrie instead of Dorothea, which at least
I know mum is remembering, most of what she says falls in the time before
we knew het.

Sincerely Chris
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OP
Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
My darling?
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OP
Will Charlie return?
Chaplain, Drake?
My darling?
Hallo
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relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
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relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?

Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
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surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
Yes, but as Helen didn't want to use her own egg, it would have had to
be implanted via IVF. As she's now realised that carrying a baby, only
to hand it over to someone else, might not be a good idea, this doesn't
seem likely.

I think the new suggestion (which I don't think is likely) is that Ian
and Helen should start a new, long term, relationship and raise the new
child as a couple.
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"It is not the mountain we conquer but ourselves." - Sir Edmund Hillary
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference.  It would be much simpler than than ivf.  However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success.  I guess Adam might
find
this rather difficult.  I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
Yes, but as Helen didn't want to use her own egg, it would have had to
be implanted via IVF.  As she's now realised that carrying a baby, only
to hand it over to someone else, might not be a good idea, this doesn't
seem likely.
I think the new suggestion (which I don't think is likely) is that Ian
and Helen should start a new, long term, relationship and raise the new
child as a couple.
Yes exactly. Why would the likelihood of something happening irl affect
what the crazy directors of TA decide should happen ? :/
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
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surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference.  It would be much simpler than than ivf.  However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success.  I guess Adam
might find
this rather difficult.  I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
Yes, but as Helen didn't want to use her own egg, it would have had to
be implanted via IVF.  As she's now realised that carrying a baby,
only to hand it over to someone else, might not be a good idea, this
doesn't seem likely.
I think the new suggestion (which I don't think is likely) is that Ian
and Helen should start a new, long term, relationship and raise the
new child as a couple.
Yes exactly. Why would the likelihood of something happening irl affect
what the crazy directors of TA decide should happen ?   :/
Good point!
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
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surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference.  It would be much simpler than than ivf.  However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success.  I guess Adam
might find
this rather difficult.  I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
Yes, but as Helen didn't want to use her own egg, it would have had
to be implanted via IVF.  As she's now realised that carrying a
baby, only to hand it over to someone else, might not be a good
idea, this doesn't seem likely.
I think the new suggestion (which I don't think is likely) is that
Ian and Helen should start a new, long term, relationship and raise
the new child as a couple.
Yes exactly. Why would the likelihood of something happening irl
affect what the crazy directors of TA decide should happen ?   :/
Yes, but posit: Ian may never have tried, shall we say, conventional
coupling, thinking he wouldn't like it - and might find that he does.
I'm trying not to stereotype the good catholic boy image, but it occurs
to me that it might be the case.
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Good point!
Certainly, TA does sometimes do some unlikely-irl things! But then so do
most dramas^WFOTWDs.
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I'm trying not to stereotype the good catholic boy image
Is he?

The Archers website says he is in a civil partnership (but they married
according to another part of the bio) and his boss is Caroline Sterling
and his friend is Helen Titchener. Some editing needed I think.
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I'm trying not to stereotype the good catholic boy image
Is he?
The Archers website says he is in a civil partnership (but they married
according to another part of the bio) and his boss is Caroline Sterling
and his friend is Helen Titchener. Some editing needed I think.
I think they initially had a CP (at which Brian and Ian's father
eventually decided to turn up), then got married more recently (possibly
when things changes such that gay couples _could_ actually "marry").
BICBW as usual.

(Yes, the website ought to have had a global search for Caroline done on
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relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
There were three in the bed and the little one said...



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surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.

Cheers
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.
Cheers
BTN or MV?
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Vicky
Jenny M Benson
2017-09-29 22:10:39 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.
Cheers
BTN or MV?
The latter.
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Jenny M Benson
Btms
2017-09-30 07:30:15 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.
Cheers
BTN or MV?
The latter.
QuAite. I feared such responses as you can see. Standards must be
maintained - I did fear I had opened the door to MV. Delete come and
insert attend.
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BTMS - Equine Advisor Extraordinaire.
Mike
2017-09-30 09:47:44 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference. It would be much simpler than than ivf. However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success. I guess Adam might find
this rather difficult. I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.
Cheers
BTN or MV?
The latter.
QuAite. I feared such responses as you can see. Standards must be
maintained - I did fear I had opened the door to MV. Delete come and
insert attend.
Might be better to wipe it up rather than attempting to delete it.
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Toodle Pip
BrritSki
2017-09-29 17:50:59 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference.  It would be much simpler than than ivf.  However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success.  I guess Adam might
find
this rather difficult.  I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.
Does Ian/Adam spit or swallow ?
Mike
2017-09-29 17:58:56 UTC
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After the end of this epi it is my firm opinion that after much wailing
and ganshing of teeth Adam will eventually refuse the idea of
surrogacy/adoption etc. and that Ian will end up in a heterosexual
relationship with Helen and they will have a baby together.
I can't see Ian turning heterosexual but I think you could well be right
that this will break Ian and Adam's relationship up.
He could probably agree to impregnate Helen regardless of his sexual
preference.  It would be much simpler than than ivf.  However, they might
have to manage several copulations before success.  I guess Adam might
find
this rather difficult.  I suppose he could come and watch the procedure?
Yes I know but I couldn’t think of another way to put it.
I'm sure he could lend a hand.
Does Ian/Adam spit or swallow ?
There is probably a member’s rule for this.
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