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Sid Nuncius
2018-06-02 06:47:23 UTC
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Was it something I said?
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Mike
2018-06-02 06:57:49 UTC
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Was it something I said?
Or maybe something no-one said?
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Paul Herber
2018-06-02 08:59:42 UTC
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Was it something I said?
Or maybe something no-one said?
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Btms
2018-06-02 07:07:27 UTC
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Was it something I said?
Well I have been in the Highlands of Scotland and now in Eire/NI. The wifi
connection has been flakey. My pearls of wisdom are limited but normal
service will be restored shortly. Also, access to Ambridge is limited.
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kosmo
2018-06-02 15:17:22 UTC
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Well I have been in the Highlands of Scotland and now in Eire/NI.
The wifi

And I am at the airport & the free WiFi will not work with umra.
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BrritSki
2018-06-02 07:54:47 UTC
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Was it something I said?
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Rob is coming back !!!!
Serena Blanchflower
2018-06-02 08:09:51 UTC
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Was it something I said?
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Rob is coming back !!!!
Excellent news! We definitely needed a break from the story but it
wouldn't be realistic for him to simply fade away, never to be seen, or
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Mike
2018-06-02 09:35:37 UTC
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Was it something I said?
We've been baby-sitting in Bedford and now everyone is stunned by the
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Rob is coming back !!!!
Excellent news! We definitely needed a break from the story but it
wouldn't be realistic for him to simply fade away, never to be seen, or
heard of, again.
‘Twould have been good though.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-06-02 13:07:43 UTC
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Was it something I said?
We've been baby-sitting in Bedford and now everyone is stunned by the
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Rob is coming back !!!!
Excellent news! We definitely needed a break from the story but it
wouldn't be realistic for him to simply fade away, never to be seen, or
heard of, again.
‘Twould have been good though.
+1. I'd willingly suspend realism never to encounter him again. Or Matt.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-06-02 10:13:33 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
Was it something I said?
We've been baby-sitting in Bedford and now everyone is stunned by the
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Rob is coming back !!!!
Excellent news! We definitely needed a break from the story but it
wouldn't be realistic for him to simply fade away, never to be seen, or
heard of, again.
Oh dear. I might want a break too, from TA.
krw
2018-06-02 08:32:06 UTC
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low? Temporary or the new permanent.

Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
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krw
2018-06-02 08:35:12 UTC
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low?  Temporary or the new
permanent.
Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
Having read the Telegraph I can see that Tim Stimpson is angling for
more work (it was his storyline originally so we know who to blame). It
was as a result of comments made during a discussion at the Hay Festival.

Equally important the temporary editor said that if she has her way
no-one will die on the 70th anniversary.
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Fenny
2018-06-02 12:04:10 UTC
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low? Temporary or the new permanent.
Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
I'm just glad I've already stopped listening.

Ma emailed the other night to ask what umra thought of all the current
storylines.
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Chris McMillan
2018-06-02 13:56:26 UTC
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low? Temporary or the new permanent.
Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
I'm just glad I've already stopped listening.
Ma emailed the other night to ask what umra thought of all the current
storylines.
That’s nice of her, Fenny. Let’s see. Shula and Snappy - very realistic
(I personally know several 60 somethings going through marriage break ups)
Christine Cardboard, that can’t be another dementia story
Will - I can relate to some of it - having had a bereaved father (though I
was a lot older, the care and coping element angst would have been similar
to Poppy I learnt later with hindsight). Plus The older two.
If I didn’t know about the ‘smart drugs’ thing as portrayed with Freddie,
I’d have said it wasn’t realistic - but it is.
And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
If the contamination is done properly, it could be good
Susan, a caricature. Very silly, it doesn’t work today as it did with
Martha.
David organising Ruth’s party. Beyond stupid when he has three children
and a born organising mother.
Bored by Hannah already. Or is she being introduced as a BL storyline with
Kneel? Is this one reason for return of Rob?

That’s enough from me.

Sincerely Chris
Fenny
2018-06-02 16:20:19 UTC
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And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
Not a new phenomenon, but if he is the Assistant Principal of a
college these days, he must know he'll never work in education again
once it comes out. And he'll be on a hefty salary, so he'll have to
find a new employer who doesn't care that he's broken some fairly
hefty code of conduct rules with his current employer.
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Chris McMillan
2018-06-02 18:13:39 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:56:26 GMT, Chris McMillan
And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
Not a new phenomenon, but if he is the Assistant Principal of a
college these days, he must know he'll never work in education again
once it comes out. And he'll be on a hefty salary, so he'll have to
find a new employer who doesn't care that he's broken some fairly
hefty code of conduct rules with his current employer.
‘Xactly!

(My OP is though, he’s stringing her along and will drop her as soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton (it was
him wasn’t it, and the then abortion)?

Sincerely Chris

Sincerely Chris
Sally Thompson
2018-06-02 20:44:13 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:56:26 GMT, Chris McMillan
And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
Not a new phenomenon, but if he is the Assistant Principal of a
college these days, he must know he'll never work in education again
once it comes out. And he'll be on a hefty salary, so he'll have to
find a new employer who doesn't care that he's broken some fairly
hefty code of conduct rules with his current employer.
‘Xactly!
(My OP is though, he’s stringing her along and will drop her as soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton (it was
him wasn’t it, and the then abortion)?
Perhaps his wife will turn up at some college function, obviously pregnant.
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Serena Blanchflower
2018-06-02 21:02:15 UTC
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And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
Not a new phenomenon, but if he is the Assistant Principal of a
college these days, he must know he'll never work in education again
once it comes out. And he'll be on a hefty salary, so he'll have to
find a new employer who doesn't care that he's broken some fairly
hefty code of conduct rules with his current employer.
‘Xactly!
(My OP is though, he’s stringing her along and will drop her as soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton (it was
him wasn’t it, and the then abortion)?
Perhaps his wife will turn up at some college function, obviously pregnant.
And, of course, he will have told Lily that he is no longer on those
sort of terms with her.
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LFS
2018-06-02 21:53:54 UTC
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And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
Not a new phenomenon, but if he is the Assistant Principal of a
college these days, he must know he'll never work in education again
once it comes out.  And he'll be on a hefty salary, so he'll have to
find a new employer who doesn't care that he's broken some fairly
hefty code of conduct rules with his current employer.
‘Xactly!
(My OP is though, he’s stringing her along and will drop her as soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton (it was
him wasn’t it, and the then abortion)?
Perhaps his wife will turn up at some college function, obviously pregnant.
And, of course, he will have told Lily that he is no longer on those
sort of terms with her.
It's all rather predictable. An interesting plot twist would be if he
really does turn out to be committed to Lily and they make a go of the
relationship but that would have to play out over a long time and get
very boring. And as Fenny points out these days the scandal would ruin
his career and make it very difficult for him to find other employment
so there would be a lot of practical problems.

Unless of course he ditches Lily, hooks up with Elizabeth who makes him
manager of her empire, which then prompts Lily and Freddie to conspire
to murder him. TA could do with some blood and guts although it's a
challenge for radio. Corrie was chock full of gore this week, EE was
last week although it was managed rather better.
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Sam Plusnet
2018-06-03 02:13:15 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 13:56:26 GMT, Chris McMillan
And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
Not a new phenomenon, but if he is the Assistant Principal of a
college these days, he must know he'll never work in education again
once it comes out.  And he'll be on a hefty salary, so he'll have to
find a new employer who doesn't care that he's broken some fairly
hefty code of conduct rules with his current employer.
‘Xactly!
(My OP is though, he’s stringing her along and will drop her as soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton (it was
him wasn’t it, and the then abortion)?
Perhaps his wife will turn up at some college function, obviously pregnant.
And, of course, he will have told Lily that he is no longer on those
sort of terms with her.
It's all rather predictable. An interesting plot twist would be if he
really does turn out to be committed to Lily and they make a go of the
relationship but that would have to play out over a long time and get
very boring. And as Fenny points out these days the scandal would ruin
his career and make it very difficult for him to find other employment
so there would be a lot of practical problems.
Unless of course he ditches Lily, hooks up with Elizabeth who makes him
manager of her empire, which then prompts Lily and Freddie to conspire
to murder him. TA could do with some blood and guts although it's a
challenge for radio. Corrie was chock full of gore this week, EE was
last week although it was managed rather better.
Not radical enough.
Ménage à trois with _both_ Lily & Lizzy?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-06-03 05:50:11 UTC
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It's all rather predictable. An interesting plot twist would be if
he really does turn out to be committed to Lily and they make a go of
the relationship but that would have to play out over a long time and
get very boring. And as Fenny points out these days the scandal would
ruin his career and make it very difficult for him to find other
employment so there would be a lot of practical problems.
Unless of course he ditches Lily, hooks up with Elizabeth who makes
him manager of her empire, which then prompts Lily and Freddie to
conspire to murder him. TA could do with some blood and guts although
it's a challenge for radio. Corrie was chock full of gore this week,
EE was last week although it was managed rather better.
Not radical enough.
Ménage à trois with _both_ Lily & Lizzy?
If you want radical, à quatre with Lily, Lizzie, and Freddie.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-06-03 07:54:04 UTC
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Unless of course he ditches Lily, hooks up with Elizabeth who makes him
manager of her empire, which then prompts Lily and Freddie to conspire
to murder him. TA could do with some blood and guts although it's a
challenge for radio. Corrie was chock full of gore this week, EE was
last week although it was managed rather better.
I really wish you hadn't put that idea into the minds of any LSWs.
There is another important TA date coming up I believe. 70th? They
will want to make a splash and I would prefer it not to be blood.
Although..there are a few residents of Ambridge....
Rosemary Miskin
2018-06-03 09:32:33 UTC
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I really wish you hadn't put that idea into the minds of any LSWs. 
There is another important TA date coming up I believe. 70th? They 
will want to make a splash and I would prefer it not to be blood. 
Whoever was speaking at Hay last week is quoted as saying that they . 
wouldn't kill someone off for the 70th anniversary. We'll see!

Rosemary
Mike
2018-06-03 10:31:18 UTC
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I really wish you hadn't put that idea into the minds of any LSWs. 
There is another important TA date coming up I believe. 70th? They 
will want to make a splash and I would prefer it not to be blood. 
Whoever was speaking at Hay last week is quoted as saying that they . 
wouldn't kill someone off for the 70th anniversary. We'll see!
Rosemary
Perhaps the Saint has a disabling illness and is confined to a wheelchair;
Snappy then devotes his life to caring for her?
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2018-06-04 19:58:35 UTC
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Whoever was speaking at Hay last week is quoted as saying that they . 
wouldn't kill someone off for the 70th anniversary. We'll see!
Ah, Hay. I occasionally go there for the bookshops. A dreadfully slow road but the shops are always interesting, though I seldom find anything I want.
Rosalind Mitchell
2018-06-04 22:11:01 UTC
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Ah, Hay.
Bless you.

Dreadful this time of year isn't it.

kosmo
2018-06-03 20:16:11 UTC
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(My OP is though, hes stringing her along and will drop her as
soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton (it was
Not Simon Pemberton, he was nasty. It was the crook.
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John Finlay
2018-06-03 21:13:17 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:13:39 GMT, Chris McMillan
(My OP is though, hes stringing her along and will drop her as
soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton
(it was
Not Simon Pemberton, he was nasty.  It was the crook.
Cameron Fraser?
Sally Thompson
2018-06-03 21:31:50 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:13:39 GMT, Chris McMillan
(My OP is though, hes stringing her along and will drop her as
soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton
(it was
Not Simon Pemberton, he was nasty.  It was the crook.
Cameron Fraser?
Yes, Lizzie was Cameron Fraser. Debbie was Simon Pemberton.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-06-04 08:15:13 UTC
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Post by kosmo
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:13:39 GMT, Chris McMillan
(My OP is though, hes stringing her along and will drop her as
soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton
(it was
Not Simon Pemberton, he was nasty.  It was the crook.
Cameron Fraser?
Yes, Lizzie was Cameron Fraser. Debbie was Simon Pemberton.
Was there one Bad Man who trifled with Lizzie and Debbie?
Serena Blanchflower
2018-06-04 11:45:36 UTC
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On 3 Jun 2018 21:31:50 GMT, Sally Thompson
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Post by kosmo
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:13:39 GMT, Chris McMillan
(My OP is though, hes stringing her along and will drop her as
soon as she
finishes college - or even a re-run of Lizzie and Simon Pemberton
(it was
Not Simon Pemberton, he was nasty.  It was the crook.
Cameron Fraser?
Yes, Lizzie was Cameron Fraser. Debbie was Simon Pemberton.
Was there one Bad Man who trifled with Lizzie and Debbie?
Simon Pemberton trifled with, and subsequently hit, both Shula and
Debbie. I don't remember him having anything to do with Lizzie though.
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Best wishes, Serena
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you why it isn't.
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2018-06-04 17:51:35 UTC
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Someone wrote:
in reply to KRW.

The crook was Cameron Fraser. Simon Gerrard was involved with Shula.

Had to riffle through both Enc and TAE.

Sincerely Chris
Vicky Ayech
2018-06-02 17:06:33 UTC
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low? Temporary or the new permanent.
Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
I'm just glad I've already stopped listening.
Ma emailed the other night to ask what umra thought of all the current
storylines.
That’s nice of her, Fenny. Let’s see. Shula and Snappy - very realistic
personally know several 60 somethings going through marriage break ups)
After Thursday, or was it Friday, I am wondering whether Shula is now
sorry and re-thinking it all. Dog in a manger but Snappy suddenly
enjoyed freedom. But is a nice chap so she reeeled him back in. I
think she was faking it. Might they get back together?
Christine Cardboard, that can’t be another dementia story
Anoither place suggested Brian might have a heart attack and I wonder
whether we are being red herringed again with Christine. We put all
our money on her to be next in the St Step[hen Churchyard stakes and
it turns out to be Brian. Either a heart attack because of stress. and
with qa bit of luck he had lots of life insurance, or Jenny manages to
over-tax him with love and that finishes him off, or she helps things
along.
Will - I can relate to some of it - having had a bereaved father (though I
was a lot older, the care and coping element angst would have been similar
to Poppy I learnt later with hindsight). Plus The older two.
Will has always been a little unstable. He was the one went off to top
himself OAIAM, and Ed and Eddie went to bring him home.
If I didn’t know about the ‘smart drugs’ thing as portrayed with Freddie,
I’d have said it wasn’t realistic - but it is.
And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
I do hope Freddie passes his exams and is allowed to settle into
helping to run the estate and does some kind of management thing.
If the contamination is done properly, it could be good
Susan, a caricature. Very silly, it doesn’t work today as it did with
Martha.
Was done rather stupidly, I agree. I liked when Snappy and Shula told
her off though.
David organising Ruth’s party. Beyond stupid when he has three children
and a born organising mother.
Yes, Jill will surely be annoyed.
Bored by Hannah already. Or is she being introduced as a BL storyline with
Kneel? Is this one reason for return of Rob?
I really hope he's not returning. I do not care about the employment
prospects of whoever writes this storyline or the actor. A report of
some fatal accident happening afar or him being locked up would be
close enough. I do not want to hear his voice again, and he was in
something else a little while ago and I hated him in that too but
umbrella what it was. B always laughs wehn i am influenced by what an
actor played before.

Swerve
I watched the BBC King Lear. I hadn't been going to as saw the Paul
Scofield version when we did it for A Level and I know it well and
don't usually like modern dress versions of Shakespeare, and love
Anthony Hopkins so didn't want to see him being miserable. Yes I know,
he's an actor :).

In this case he was fntastic, as was the whole production. His Lear
was a tinpot dictator, rowdy and already just tipping into the changed
behaviour of dementia, when he stayed with Goneril. I normally love
Emma wossit and she began as seeming reasonable and justifiably
annoyed at how her father was disrupting the household. There were
glances and nods between her and husband and Regan in the early
scenes, but mostly they seemed behaving in a way necessary given a
father who behaved like a dictator.

But then as the play went on things switched. I think Mr S milked the
misery rather by having Cordelia die. (sorry, spoiler). I generally
like happy endings and offing the ugly sisters would have been enough.
It's funny how the third one tends to be the one who gets the bad
deal. I'm thinking of Cinderella here. I wonder whether Lear would
have been less of a spoiled bully if the Queen had still been around.
The modern day dress worked extremely well too, to my surprise. There
were a couple of moments when I noticed planes or tablets and it
paused the story, but it worked well.
That’s enough from me.
Sincerely Chris
Vicky Ayech
2018-06-02 17:18:56 UTC
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Bored by Hannah already. Or is she being introduced as a BL storyline with
Kneel? Is this one reason for return of Rob?
I really hope he's not returning. I do not care about the employment
prospects of whoever writes this storyline or the actor. A report of
some fatal accident happening afar or him being locked up would be
close enough. I do not want to hear his voice again, and he was in
something else a little while ago and I hated him in that too but
umbrella what it was. B always laughs wehn i am influenced by what an
actor played before.
Oh in the Cormorant Strike tv series. He was horrible in it too.
Especially if you'd read the books.
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I watched the BBC King Lear. I hadn't been going to as saw the Paul
Scofield version when we did it for A Level and I know it well and
don't usually like modern dress versions of Shakespeare, and love
Anthony Hopkins so didn't want to see him being miserable. Yes I know,
he's an actor :).
In this case he was fntastic, as was the whole production. His Lear
was a tinpot dictator, rowdy and already just tipping into the changed
behaviour of dementia, when he stayed with Goneril. I normally love
Emma wossit and she began as seeming reasonable and justifiably
annoyed at how her father was disrupting the household. There were
glances and nods between her and husband and Regan in the early
scenes, but mostly they seemed behaving in a way necessary given a
father who behaved like a dictator.
But then as the play went on things switched. I think Mr S milked the
misery rather by having Cordelia die. (sorry, spoiler). I generally
like happy endings and offing the ugly sisters would have been enough.
It's funny how the third one tends to be the one who gets the bad
deal. I'm thinking of Cinderella here. I wonder whether Lear would
have been less of a spoiled bully if the Queen had still been around.
The modern day dress worked extremely well too, to my surprise. There
were a couple of moments when I noticed planes or tablets and it
paused the story, but it worked well.
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That’s enough from me.
I loved it too! I've seen a couple of Lears over the last few years -
Simon Russell Beale was excellent (although they did the eye-gouging in
a wine cellar with a corkscrew which was even more horrible than usual)
and Anthony Sher was really disappointing but I thought Anthony Hopkins
was just perfect.

And much as I dislike Emma Thompson, she was a pretty nasty Goneril, and
her clothes were amazing. It was a stellar cast and they were all very
good. An excellent production I don't usually enjoy Shakespeare on TV
but this was the exception.

This year I am mostly seeing Macbeth, Rory Kinnear a few weeks ago
(miscast, I think, but a seriously weird production so I suspect his
failings were due to poor direction) - Christopher Eccleston in August.
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I watched the BBC King Lear.
I loved it too! I've seen a couple of Lears over the last few years -
Simon Russell Beale was excellent (although they did the eye-gouging in
a wine cellar with a corkscrew which was even more horrible than usual)
and Anthony Sher was really disappointing but I thought Anthony Hopkins
was just perfect.
We saw Sher at Stratford last week. What was it that you didn't
like?

Chris
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I watched the BBC King Lear.
I loved it too! I've seen a couple of Lears over the last few years -
Simon Russell Beale was excellent (although they did the eye-gouging in
a wine cellar with a corkscrew which was even more horrible than usual)
and Anthony Sher was really disappointing but I thought Anthony Hopkins
was just perfect.
We saw Sher at Stratford last week. What was it that you didn't
like?
He just wasn't my idea of Lear and I didn't find his relationships with
his daughters at all convincing. And IIRC I thought the production was a
bit overblown with his rather flouncy entrance on a palanquin. No, there
weren't elephants, were there? But there was an extravagant throne of
some sort. I'm not crazy about Sher's Shakespeare style, somehow it's a
bit heavy-going and too thoughtful which ends up as old-fashioned and
slightly hammy.

I like to be swept away by Shakespeare, enough that the well-known bits
are perfectly in context and I'm not tempted to join in under my breath.
That doesn't always happen.
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We saw Sher at Stratford last week. What was it that you didn't
like?
He just wasn't my idea of Lear and I didn't find his relationships with
his daughters at all convincing. And IIRC I thought the production was a
bit overblown with his rather flouncy entrance on a palanquin.
It was quite grand wasn't it?
Post by LFS
I like to be swept away by Shakespeare, enough that the well-known bits
are perfectly in context and I'm not tempted to join in under my breath.
That doesn't always happen.
It isn't a play I have seen much. In fact the only performance I
can remember was when my school visited Bretton College sometime
in the late 60s. I wonder if any now household names were on
stage then?

I have recorded the TV one to watch sometime.

Chris
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In fact the only performance I
can remember was when my school visited Bretton College sometime
in the late 60s. I wonder if any now household names were on
stage then?
<swerve>
I used to enjoy watching the Footlights Reviews in Cambridge in the late
'60s and early '70s and several of the players who had made an impression
turned up one way or another in subsequent years. In fact when I saw Pete
Atkin and Clive James perform together many years later I was able to tell
them Pete was 'famous' to me long before Clive, even though Clive had been
president of the footlights and had written some of the show.

When the Footlights show was on tour at some point in the '90s I went along
expecting great things and was bitterly disappointed. It's only recently
I've realised Richard Ayoade was in the cast.
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
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When the Footlights show was on tour at some point in the '90s I went along
expecting great things and was bitterly disappointed. It's only recently
I've realised Richard Ayoade was in the cast.
I love his travel shows.
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I used to enjoy watching the Footlights Reviews in Cambridge in the late
'60s and early '70s and several of the players who had made an impression
turned up one way or another in subsequent years. In fact when I saw Pete
Atkin and Clive James perform together many years later I was able to tell
them Pete was 'famous' to me long before Clive, even though Clive had been
president of the footlights and had written some of the show.
Similarly with me. Probably my proudest musical boast[1] is I appeared
on the same bill as him [2] in 1974, I think. No Clive James that
night, though - he didn't enter my consciousness until a few years later.

I loved Pete Atkin's music then and I still play and sing Thief In The
Night (Atkin/James) but, like everything else I play these days,
strictly where no-one else can hear.



[1]That and having sung solo the bass part in an a capella arrangement
of The Marcels' version of Blue Moon.

[2] In a college folk club. We were the terrible undergrad band playing
before the main act while everyone is at the bar/chatting to
friends/hasn't arrived yet. Still, a fiver a night and free beer (and
proximity to Pete Atkin) wasn't to be sneezed at in those days.
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low? Temporary or the new permanent.
Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
I'm just glad I've already stopped listening.
Ma emailed the other night to ask what umra thought of all the current
storylines.
That’s nice of her, Fenny. Let’s see. Shula and Snappy - very realistic
personally know several 60 somethings going through marriage break ups)
After Thursday, or was it Friday, I am wondering whether Shula is now
sorry and re-thinking it all. Dog in a manger but Snappy suddenly
enjoyed freedom. But is a nice chap so she reeeled him back in. I
think she was faking it. Might they get back together?
I don't think she was faking it but I do agree that she's having second
thoughts and realising the benefits of living with your best friend,
even if it doesn't have quite the excitement that she might dream of. I
suspect though, that she's going to find it's too late and Alistair
won't be willing to take her back. She'll realise that it isn't
possible for her to take back some of the things she's said and which
have caused irrevocable damage to their relationship.
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Christine Cardboard, that can’t be another dementia story
I'm wondering if she's had a TIA and that it'll prove to be the first of
many. If she becomes very frail, so that Peggy can't give her the care
she needs, her lack of capital will become an issue, as she won't be
able to afford to go into The Laurels. Neither she nor Peggy will be
happy with the idea of anywhere that the council would be able to afford.


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David organising Ruth’s party. Beyond stupid when he has three children
and a born organising mother.
Yes, Jill will surely be annoyed.
Definitely. It also sounds as if the sort of party that Jenny has in
mind will be much more formal, and grander, than Ruth will like.
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After Thursday, or was it Friday, I am wondering whether Shula is now
sorry and re-thinking it all. Dog in a manger but Snappy suddenly
enjoyed freedom. But is a nice chap so she reeeled him back in. I
think she was faking it. Might they get back together?
I think she's sorry, but not re-thinking - just sorry for some of the
things she's said, after he's being so nice. I don't think she's faking
it - I don't think she's _that_ evil. (And I can't think what the point
would be, even if she _is_ that evil.) Being (more of the time than I
want to admit) a soft romantic, I'd like it if they _did- get back
together, but I don't think it's likely.
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I don't think she was faking it but I do agree that she's having second
thoughts and realising the benefits of living with your best friend,
even if it doesn't have quite the excitement that she might dream of.
I think she may have thought she's not getting that sort of excitement,
but doesn't really have much idea what form such excitement would take.
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I suspect though, that she's going to find it's too late and Alistair
won't be willing to take her back. She'll realise that it isn't
possible for her to take back some of the things she's said and which
have caused irrevocable damage to their relationship.
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Post by Chris McMillan
Christine Cardboard, that can’t be another dementia story
I'm wondering if she's had a TIA and that it'll prove to be the first
of many. If she becomes very frail, so that Peggy can't give her the
care she needs, her lack of capital will become an issue, as she won't
be able to afford to go into The Laurels. Neither she nor Peggy will
be happy with the idea of anywhere that the council would be able to
afford.
Good thinking. Very plausible. I'd forgotten (yes, I know this is me so
that's not surprising, but still) that she'd lost a lot in Mattgate.
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David organising Ruth’s party. Beyond stupid when he has three children
and a born organising mother.
I think he thinks he _ought_ to be doing it, even though he doesn't
either want to or have much idea.
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Yes, Jill will surely be annoyed.
Definitely. It also sounds as if the sort of party that Jenny has in
mind will be much more formal, and grander, than Ruth will like.
Indeed. Ruth has always been portrayed as rather down-to-earth, and of
simple tastes. (And this is not a bad thing of course. Just she's not
the sort of person Jennifer is used to catering for.)
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After Thursday, or was it Friday, I am wondering whether Shula is now
sorry and re-thinking it all. Dog in a manger but Snappy suddenly
enjoyed freedom. But is a nice chap so she reeeled him back in. I
think she was faking it. Might they get back together?
I think she's sorry, but not re-thinking - just sorry for some of the
things she's said, after he's being so nice. I don't think she's faking
it - I don't think she's _that_ evil. (And I can't think what the point
would be, even if she _is_ that evil.) Being (more of the time than I
want to admit) a soft romantic, I'd like it if they _did- get back
together, but I don't think it's likely.
It wouldn't be conscious faking. It is possible to feel really ill and
in the same physical state to feel more or less ok. I can remember
having flu when Capt Ex, not then Capt but quite junior, was on a ship
round the coast and invited me to visit. I think as gf and for the
first time. I was at uni, in bed with flu but suddenly felt quite ok
and travelled by train to join the ship for a few days.
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I don't think she was faking it but I do agree that she's having second
thoughts and realising the benefits of living with your best friend,
even if it doesn't have quite the excitement that she might dream of.
I think she may have thought she's not getting that sort of excitement,
but doesn't really have much idea what form such excitement would take.
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect though, that she's going to find it's too late and Alistair
won't be willing to take her back. She'll realise that it isn't
possible for her to take back some of the things she's said and which
have caused irrevocable damage to their relationship.
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I watched the BBC King Lear. I hadn't been going to as saw the Paul
Scofield version when we did it for A Level and I know it well and
don't usually like modern dress versions of Shakespeare, and love
Anthony Hopkins so didn't want to see him being miserable. Yes I know,
he's an actor :).
I saw the Paul Schofield version when I did it for A Level too! I also saw
a later version with Eric Porter who was excellent. I’ve downloaded the BBC
one for when I have time. The trailer augured well.

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Have you ever read A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley? It’s a modern
re-telling of King Lear and very good. It won the Pulitzer Prize I think.
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I watched the BBC King Lear. I hadn't been going to as saw the Paul
Scofield version when we did it for A Level and I know it well and
don't usually like modern dress versions of Shakespeare, and love
Anthony Hopkins so didn't want to see him being miserable. Yes I know,
he's an actor :).
I saw the Paul Schofield version when I did it for A Level too! I also saw
a later version with Eric Porter who was excellent. I’ve downloaded the BBC
one for when I have time. The trailer augured well.
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Have you ever read A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley? It’s a modern
re-telling of King Lear and very good. It won the Pulitzer Prize I think.
No. I must not buy more books as have lots to read! Also the story
is not really one I enjoy. But I think Anthony Hopkins so good he'd
make anything good. I am trying to recall what I saw him in on stage
ages ago. The play was boring, but that didn't matter. Google can't
find it. I have a vague feeling the alphabet featured in the title but
it might be that I later said I'd happily listen to him reading the
alphabet.
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I watched the BBC King Lear. I hadn't been going to as saw the Paul
Scofield version when we did it for A Level and I know it well and
don't usually like modern dress versions of Shakespeare, and love
Anthony Hopkins so didn't want to see him being miserable. Yes I know,
he's an actor :).
I saw the Paul Schofield version when I did it for A Level too! I also saw
a later version with Eric Porter who was excellent. I’ve downloaded the BBC
one for when I have time. The trailer augured well.
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Have you ever read A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley? It’s a modern
re-telling of King Lear and very good. It won the Pulitzer Prize I think.
It's very good, as are most of her books although I didn't finish the
horses one. I'm not keen on the fashion for modern retelling of classics
but she wrote it quite a long time ago before all these new versions.
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Ma emailed the other night to ask what umra thought of all the current
storylines.
That’s nice of her, Fenny. Let’s see. Shula and Snappy - very realistic
(I personally know several 60 somethings going through marriage break ups)
Christine Cardboard, that can’t be another dementia story
Will - I can relate to some of it - having had a bereaved father (though I
was a lot older, the care and coping element angst would have been similar
to Poppy I learnt later with hindsight). Plus The older two.
If I didn’t know about the ‘smart drugs’ thing as portrayed with Freddie,
I’d have said it wasn’t realistic - but it is.
And, yes, Lils and her teacher isn’t a new phenomenon: one of my
schoolfriends lives with the fallout of a similar relationship. She would
have been the twins age.
If the contamination is done properly, it could be good
Agreed on all points - i. e. all believable, though I don't like some of
them.
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Susan, a caricature. Very silly, it doesn’t work today as it did with
Martha.
Hmm, not sure. Yes, I've been finding it silly, and her hateful - but I
find I'm thinking this about Susan, not her best friend or how she is
written - so it's well done. For example, I too thoroughly enjoyed Shula
and Alastair giving her both barrels - though had wished they'd gone
further, and laid it out without any doubt, but they might not do that
even under that provocation ... but there I am again, believing the
characters.
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David organising Ruth’s party. Beyond stupid when he has three children
and a born organising mother.
See later post.
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Bored by Hannah already. Or is she being introduced as a BL storyline with
Kneel? Is this one reason for return of Rob?
I have no thoughts on those ones.
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That’s enough from me.
Sincerely Chris
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Rob is coming back
Which desperate editor is sinking that low? Temporary or the new permanent.
Given the disservice done to Shula and various other cracks in the
firmament I will listen but no longer be entranced.
I think its right. He just would not let go.
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Rob is coming back !!!!
Well, we didn’t know. Who says TA never gives plots away now?

Sincerely Chris
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Was it something I said?
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