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Sam Plusnet
2020-03-10 23:30:32 UTC
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I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6 customer
reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.

With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item had,
say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some, a few,
or many, of them were being hidden.

I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't just
a single gremlin effecting a single product.

Has anyrat encountered this? Is there some sensible reason why they may
claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?

Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?

P.S. The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
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Sam Plusnet
Sid Nuncius
2020-03-11 06:25:53 UTC
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I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6 customer
reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.
<snip>
Post by Sam Plusnet
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they may
claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
When they cull a review it just vanishes and the review count goes down
accordingly. It could be a glitch, but I doubt it.

I see that the single review is from the German site. Clicking "See all
reviews from the UK" gives "No items match your search." I'm not
certain about this, but I imagine that the other 5 reviews are from
other countries but Amazon aren't showing them for some reason. That
doesn't help much, I know, and you'd probably already got that far
anyway, but that's my best guess FWIW.

Amazon moves in mysterious ways.
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Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Sally Thompson
2020-03-11 06:49:12 UTC
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I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6 customer
reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item had,
say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some, a few,
or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't just
a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this? Is there some sensible reason why they may
claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S. The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
How weird. Have you asked Amazon?
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Sam Plusnet
2020-03-11 21:44:21 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6 customer
reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item had,
say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some, a few,
or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't just
a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this? Is there some sensible reason why they may
claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S. The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
How weird. Have you asked Amazon?
Asking any national or multinational web-based company a question is
something I only attempt when I'm feeling particularly masochistic.

Chasing Plusnet to sort out a fundamental problem (and getting nowhere)
is filling my quota quite handily.
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Sam Plusnet
BrritSki
2020-03-11 08:24:12 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6 customer
reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item had,
say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some, a few,
or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't just
a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they may
claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Yes, I noticed the same yesterday, when there were several 2* reviews
shown on the bar chart, but none were accessible. No idea why this would
be, your culling explanation seems likely, but you'd think they'd have
updated the summary bar chart too.

PS I reviewed Bercow's "Unspekable" without having bought it.
Or indeed read it - the extracts were enough.
Serena Blanchflower
2020-03-11 08:55:53 UTC
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I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6 customer
reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item had,
say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some, a few,
or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't just
a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they may
claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given. If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
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Best wishes, Serena
The 'good life' begins when you stop wanting a better one (Nkosiphambili
E. Molapis)
Sam Plusnet
2020-03-11 21:50:26 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only show
me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item had,
say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some, a few,
or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question. If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.

I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
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Sam Plusnet
Kate B
2020-03-11 22:57:25 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
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Kate B
London
Min
2020-03-12 01:24:29 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
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Kate B
London
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars. Sorry to ruin any conspiracy theories! The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews. About one in fifty elicits a wan smile....
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Min
Min
2020-03-12 01:25:51 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
--
Kate B
London
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars. Sorry to ruin any conspiracy
theories! The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews. About one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
--
Min
Kate B
2020-03-12 11:49:51 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
--
Kate B
London
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars. Sorry to ruin any conspiracy
theories! The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews. About one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
Not to mention the ones that say 'I haven't opened it yet but it's nice
packaging'.
--
Kate B
London
Joe Kerr
2020-03-12 12:55:27 UTC
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Post by Min
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars.  Sorry to ruin any
conspiracy
theories!  The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews.  About
one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
Not to mention the ones that say 'I haven't opened it yet but it's nice
packaging'.
Or "It fully met my expectations".
Or "It arrived after the day I needed it".
Or are for an entirely different product (and complain that all the
reviews are for the wrong product).
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Ric
Sam Plusnet
2020-03-12 21:00:43 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Min
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars.  Sorry to ruin any
conspiracy
theories!  The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews.  About
one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
Not to mention the ones that say 'I haven't opened it yet but it's
nice packaging'.
Or "It fully met my expectations".
Or "It arrived after the day I needed it".
Or are for an entirely different product (and complain that all the
reviews are for the wrong product).
I blame Amazon for a lot of 'that sort of thing' - since they all too
often have several different products on the same web page, and thus the
reviews are all jumbled together.
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Sam Plusnet
Sally Thompson
2020-03-12 18:07:42 UTC
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Post by Min
Post by Kate B
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
--
Kate B
London
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars. Sorry to ruin any conspiracy
theories! The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews. About one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
Not to mention the ones that say 'I haven't opened it yet but it's nice
packaging'.
Or, it was a present for someone else so I don't know. I do wonder why they
bother!
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
John Ashby
2020-03-12 19:42:56 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Min
Post by Kate B
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
--
Kate B
London
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars. Sorry to ruin any conspiracy
theories! The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews. About one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
Not to mention the ones that say 'I haven't opened it yet but it's nice
packaging'.
Or, it was a present for someone else so I don't know. I do wonder why they
bother!
Because they get pestered by Amazon and worry they won't be allowed to
buy things in the future if they don't respond.

john
Mike
2020-03-13 08:42:12 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
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Post by Kate B
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I've noticed the unavailability of the lower star reviews too and had
very suspicious thoughts.
--
Kate B
London
I have noticed this with 5 star reviews too and think the prosaic reason
is that it is "reviews" which are simply stars. Sorry to ruin any conspiracy
theories! The things that annoy me are the 'funny' reviews. About one in
fifty elicits a wan smile....
Not to mention the ones that say 'I haven't opened it yet but it's nice
packaging'.
Or, it was a present for someone else so I don't know. I do wonder why they
bother!
Because they get pestered by Amazon and worry they won't be allowed to
buy things in the future if they don't respond.
john
I am ‘reminded’ by Amazon that they would appreciate reviews for purchased
items; I hardly feel that a review of jars of malt extract or bottles of
pomegranate essence, Cotswold Crunch bread flour, pillow cases or dozens of
other items need my comments. Often my reviews would just say ‘does the
job’ or ‘wot it sez on the tin’.
--
Toodle Pip
Joe Kerr
2020-03-12 01:36:41 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I was looking at a item on Amazon which, I was informed, had 6
customer reviews.
However, when I tried to read these six reviews Amazon would only
show me one single review & nothing I could think of would reveal the
rest.
With so few reviews this was immediately apparent, but if an item
had, say 458 reviews I'm pretty sure I would never notice that some,
a few, or many, of them were being hidden.
I then looked at a few other items, and where (for example) the bar
chart claimed that 13% of all reviews gave it a 2 star ratings, no 2
star reviews were available when I looked for them - hence it isn't
just a single gremlin effecting a single product.
Has anyrat encountered this?  Is there some sensible reason why they
may claim "x" reviews but hide many of them from the punters?
Any idea if this is some kind of glitch resulting from them culling
"fake" reviews?
P.S.  The item I started out on was
www.amazon.co.uk/Liquid-Elements-Isopropanol-Isopropyl-Degreaser/dp/B07RB5JYMT
Do people have the option to just leave a star rating, without saying
anything to back up the rating they've given.  If so, the missing
reviews may have been silent ones.
Good question.  If Amazon accept a review I thought they would display it.
After all, even if the customer doesn't put in any text at all, the star
rating and the 'Customer Identity' should show up.
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I think Serena is correct. I saw a few strange things today. One product
had 3 reviews with different ratings but the bar chart clearly was not
based on 3 numbers. Looking closer the reviews are, not surprisingly,
called reviews whereas, just above the bar chart it says x ratings,
where x is a number that is (in at least come cases) greater than the
number of reviews.
--
Ric
Jenny M Benson
2020-03-12 10:14:01 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I think Serena is correct. I saw a few strange things today. One product
had 3 reviews with different ratings but the bar chart clearly was not
based on 3 numbers. Looking closer the reviews are, not surprisingly,
called reviews whereas, just above the bar chart it says x ratings,
where x is a number that is (in at least come cases) greater than the
number of reviews
Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer trustworthiness.
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer trustworthiness.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
Mike
2020-03-12 13:27:33 UTC
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I did wonder if it's only one, two, or three star reviews which are
missing - which would lead to suspicions that there was some form of
nobbling involved.
I think Serena is correct. I saw a few strange things today. One product
had 3 reviews with different ratings but the bar chart clearly was not
based on 3 numbers. Looking closer the reviews are, not surprisingly,
called reviews whereas, just above the bar chart it says x ratings,
where x is a number that is (in at least come cases) greater than the
number of reviews
Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer trustworthiness.
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer trustworthiness.
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I’ve seen some weasel words but...!
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Joe Kerr
2020-03-12 13:40:12 UTC
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer trustworthiness.
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I’ve seen some weasel words but...!
... This is stoataly different?
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steve hague
2020-03-12 14:07:19 UTC
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer
trustworthiness.
End
I’ve seen some weasel words but...!
... This is stoataly different?
That reminds me of an old C&W song which began with the line "I beg your
pardon. I never promised you a pine marten". Or is my memory a little
the worse for wear?
Steve
BrritSki
2020-03-12 14:12:35 UTC
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer
trustworthiness.
End
I’ve seen some weasel words but...!
... This is stoataly different?
That reminds me of an old C&W song which began with the line "I beg your
pardon. I never promised you a pine marten". Or is my memory a little
the worse for wear?
Yes, but we can soon fix it with this lump hammer.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-03-12 16:45:31 UTC
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer
trustworthiness.
End
I’ve seen some weasel words but...!
They all sound eminently sensible - you want reviews from recent
purchasers (in case the design has changed [for better or worse!]), and
you don't want reviews from people who might be being paid to be
positive (or negative). But they are all also open to abuse; in the end,
you've just got to decide how much you trust Amazon. (On the _whole_, I
think they're more trustworthy than some: when I've been dubious about
reviews, it's usually the reviewer at fault [incompetent/thick, or
reviewing the service not the product, etc.].)
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Post by Joe Kerr
... This is stoataly different?
That reminds me of an old C&W song which began with the line "I beg
your pardon. I never promised you a pine marten". Or is my memory a
little the worse for wear?
If it's the song I'm thinking of, it's "rose garden". But that sounds
sufficiently different that I suspect it _isn't_ that song.
Post by BrritSki
Yes, but we can soon fix it with this lump hammer.
Excellent! BTN ...
3
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some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron
Sid Nuncius
2020-03-12 18:22:17 UTC
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That reminds me of an old C&W song which began with the line "I beg
your  pardon. I never promised you a pine marten". Or is my memory a
little  the worse for wear?
If it's the song I'm thinking of, it's "rose garden". But that sounds
sufficiently different that I suspect it _isn't_ that song.
Post by BrritSki
Yes, but we can soon fix it with this lump hammer.
Excellent! BTN ...
I strongly suspect that Steve was deliberately misremembering for comic
effect.[1]

Agreed about the BTN, even though there's an element of "the old ones
are the best" about it.


[1]Which worked.
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Chris J Dixon
2020-03-12 19:17:00 UTC
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"the old ones
are the best"
Yes we are! ;-)

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BrritSki
2020-03-12 20:30:12 UTC
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"the old ones
are the best"
Yes we are! ;-)
But not for much longer ! :(
Sally Thompson
2020-03-13 12:45:17 UTC
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"the old ones
are the best"
Yes we are! ;-)
But not for much longer ! :(
BTN!!
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Sid Nuncius
2020-03-16 19:37:04 UTC
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"the old ones
are the best"
Yes we are! ;-)
But not for much longer ! :(
BTN!!
Borderline, but as he's had two already in the last couple of days, I'm
ruling against.

Sorry to be late with this. I'm struggling to keep up just now.
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BrritSki
2020-03-12 20:33:01 UTC
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That reminds me of an old C&W song which began with the line "I beg
your  pardon. I never promised you a pine marten". Or is my memory a
little  the worse for wear?
If it's the song I'm thinking of, it's "rose garden". But that sounds
sufficiently different that I suspect it _isn't_ that song.
Post by BrritSki
Yes, but we can soon fix it with this lump hammer.
Excellent! BTN ...
I strongly suspect that Steve was deliberately misremembering for comic
effect.[1]
Agreed about the BTN, even though there's an element of "the old ones
are the best" about it.
Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...

That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
Penny
2020-03-12 20:52:05 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
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Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
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BrritSki
2020-03-12 21:09:35 UTC
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Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever, Very
easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal mild cold.

There is a strong possibility of local exposure though :(
Jenny M Benson
2020-03-12 21:18:32 UTC
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Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever, Very
easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal mild cold.
Sounds like what I had over the last couple of weeks, except no
headache. It is dragging on, though.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-03-12 21:27:09 UTC
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Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever,
Very easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal
mild cold.
Sounds like what I had over the last couple of weeks, except no
headache. It is dragging on, though.
Someone posted this useful list of comparative symptoms of CV, cold, and
'flu:
https://twitter.com/realwizkaliaa/status/1238180283389788160/photo/1

(I hope that link works)
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-03-13 14:05:53 UTC
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Hurrah !  2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever, Very
easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal mild cold.
There is a strong possibility of local exposure though  :(
Hope you're OK and that no Corvids have developed.
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patent most of them. (Thomas Edison)
BrritSki
2020-03-13 15:00:02 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:33:01 +0000, BrritSki
scrawled in the dust...
Hurrah !  2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever,
Very easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal
mild cold.
There is a strong possibility of local exposure though  :(
Hope you're OK and that no Corvids have developed.
Not so far. I have noted that elderly patients with high BP might be at
risk because they are taking ACE inhibitors to control it. I think I
might suspend taking my amlodipine for a while just as a precaution. My
BP wasn't THAT high....
Chris J Dixon
2020-03-13 16:07:50 UTC
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Not so far. I have noted that elderly patients with high BP might be at
risk because they are taking ACE inhibitors to control it. I think I
might suspend taking my amlodipine for a while just as a precaution. My
BP wasn't THAT high....
So it is the treatment that puts them at risk, not the condition?

Chris
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BrritSki
2020-03-13 17:29:36 UTC
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Not so far. I have noted that elderly patients with high BP might be at
risk because they are taking ACE inhibitors to control it. I think I
might suspend taking my amlodipine for a while just as a precaution. My
BP wasn't THAT high....
So it is the treatment that puts them at risk, not the condition?
Yes. Here's the relevant bit in today's Times, and the whole Lancet
article is available too but very technical. I may ask Drother for his
advice and also whether it would be a good idea to invest in some oxygen
kit :/

"Researchers including Professor Openshaw are now examining whether a
common class of drugs used to treat high blood pressure might be playing
a role. These drugs — known as Ace inhibitors — reduce blood pressure by
interacting with a receptor on the surface of a patient’s cells.

The coronavirus uses the same Ace receptor, which plays a critical role
in governing water content of the blood, to lock on to cells and
infiltrate them.

The new study, published in The Lancet, looked at 191 patients who were
admitted to two hospitals in the province of Wuhan, the origin of the
outbreak, 54 of whom died. Of those who did not survive 70 per cent were
male and 67 per cent had an existing serious health condition."
Jenny M Benson
2020-03-13 16:09:27 UTC
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Not so far. I have noted that elderly patients with high BP might be at
risk because they are taking ACE inhibitors to control it. I think I
might suspend taking my amlodipine for a while just as a precaution. My
BP wasn't THAT high....
Mine was and is horrendous. (First figure should be <140 apparently and
mine is more usually >170, even up to >180 or >190). Amlodipine is one
of the numerous meds which I have tried and can't tolerate. Enalapril
Maleate is the only one which doesn't have adverse effects, but it is
not sufficient. Latest addition is Moxonodine, the side-effects of
which really frightened me when the initial dose was doubled. Back on
the lower dose it's not so bad, but Dr has now admitted that I just have
to live with high BP - or not, perhaps:-(
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Nick Odell
2020-03-13 14:27:13 UTC
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Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever, Very
easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal mild cold.
There is a strong possibility of local exposure though :(
That doesn´t sound too good, BrritSki - are you in Italy at the
moment?

Meanwhile, I´m sitting here in splendid isolation in Buenos Aires -
and when I say "Isolation" I mean isolation - all fourteen days of it.

When we arrived, the UK was on the ¨allowed¨ list but within hours it
had been bundled in with the rest of Europe with a requirement to self
isolate.

We had already decided to do the right thing and self-isolate even
though we had come in under the wire. However the feeling of altruism
was quickly snatched away by the latest presidential decree which has
followed Trump´s lead and bettered Trump´s reach by banning flights
from all affected regions including the UK plus requiring all visitors
from the US and UK and elsewhere who arrived on or after March 1st to
quarantine themselves under penalty of huge fines and imprisonment.

It´s not entirely clear how the country is going to enforce this but
that´s not the point: we´d already decided to do this before it became
obligatory.

It´s also not entirely clear how I´m going to get home again, no
airlines flying my way for the next thirty days and Norwegian, with
whom I have a ticket, not looking likely to last much longer anyway.
Still, that´s a problem for another month and I´m sure something will
turn up.

In the meantime, all the best to you Brritski - wherever you are - and
to all otherats, isolated or otherwise.

Nick - currently on Day 3
BrritSki
2020-03-13 15:02:22 UTC
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There is a strong possibility of local exposure though :(
That doesn´t sound too good, BrritSki - are you in Italy at the
moment?
Nope, this would be home grown if it's confirmed :/
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Meanwhile, I´m sitting here in splendid isolation in Buenos Aires
<snip cautionary tale>
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In the meantime, all the best to you Brritski - wherever you are - and
to all otherats, isolated or otherwise.
Indeed,and the same to you Nick...
Chris McMillan
2020-03-13 15:36:59 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
Not really, a bit of a cough and a few sneezes but not a runny nose.
Headache, throat a bit sore but that could be the thrush. No fever, Very
easy to convince yourself you have it when it's just a normal mild cold.
There is a strong possibility of local exposure though :(
That doesn´t sound too good, BrritSki - are you in Italy at the
moment?
Meanwhile, I´m sitting here in splendid isolation in Buenos Aires -
and when I say "Isolation" I mean isolation - all fourteen days of it.
When we arrived, the UK was on the ¨allowed¨ list but within hours it
had been bundled in with the rest of Europe with a requirement to self
isolate.
We had already decided to do the right thing and self-isolate even
though we had come in under the wire. However the feeling of altruism
was quickly snatched away by the latest presidential decree which has
followed Trump´s lead and bettered Trump´s reach by banning flights
from all affected regions including the UK plus requiring all visitors
from the US and UK and elsewhere who arrived on or after March 1st to
quarantine themselves under penalty of huge fines and imprisonment.
It´s not entirely clear how the country is going to enforce this but
that´s not the point: we´d already decided to do this before it became
obligatory.
It´s also not entirely clear how I´m going to get home again, no
airlines flying my way for the next thirty days and Norwegian, with
whom I have a ticket, not looking likely to last much longer anyway.
Still, that´s a problem for another month and I´m sure something will
turn up.
In the meantime, all the best to you Brritski - wherever you are - and
to all otherats, isolated or otherwise.
Nick - currently on Day 3
Stay safe, Nick, (and Liliana : hope you’re now fully recovered as well).
2020 is either an ‘interesting time’ or your annus horribilis?

Sincerely Chris
Sid Nuncius
2020-03-16 19:40:48 UTC
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Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
That doesn't sound good - do you have symptoms?
Symptoms are sold out in spite of a limit of four for each customer.
More are expected soon.
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Mike
2020-03-13 08:44:56 UTC
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That reminds me of an old C&W song which began with the line "I beg
your  pardon. I never promised you a pine marten". Or is my memory a
little  the worse for wear?
If it's the song I'm thinking of, it's "rose garden". But that sounds
sufficiently different that I suspect it _isn't_ that song.
Post by BrritSki
Yes, but we can soon fix it with this lump hammer.
Excellent! BTN ...
I strongly suspect that Steve was deliberately misremembering for comic
effect.[1]
Agreed about the BTN, even though there's an element of "the old ones
are the best" about it.
Hurrah ! 2 in one week. I will be going out in a blaze of glory with
posthumous appearance at the BTA ceremony...
That's if the rumoured exposure to COVID-19 turns out to be correct :/
Where’s BrritSki gone? Oh, ‘e flu out earlier...
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Sam Plusnet
2020-03-12 21:09:39 UTC
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Amazon calculates a product’s star ratings based on a machine learned
model instead of a raw data average. The model takes into account
factors including the age of a rating, whether the ratings are from
verified purchasers, and factors that establish reviewer trustworthiness.
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People who give our products a bad rating are evidently untrustworthy,
and their views should be discounted.
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