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Birthday Monitor
2019-06-04 06:11:49 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
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Chris McMillan
2019-06-04 07:49:55 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!

Sincerely Chris
Mike
2019-06-04 10:26:36 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!
Sincerely Chris
Hesky is still mentioned here frequently.
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Min
2019-06-04 19:08:43 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!
Sincerely Chris
Hesky is still mentioned here frequently.
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And I pinched Hesky's idea for Alex's funeral.
Alex too was played out to Barwick Green.
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Min
Sam Plusnet
2019-06-04 20:29:29 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!
Strange. I remember Peter's posts, and yet the earliest post from me
(that I can locate) is from three years later.
I must have lurked for rather longer than I thought.
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Jenny M Benson
2019-06-04 23:31:35 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!
That would have really shaken me, if I hadn't already been shaken a few
weeks ago by discovering my 21st Umra Anniversary was fast approaching.
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Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Penny
2019-06-05 07:24:30 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 00:31:35 +0100, Jenny M Benson <***@hotmail.co.uk>
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Chris McMillan
Post by Birthday Monitor
Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!
That would have really shaken me, if I hadn't already been shaken a few
weeks ago by discovering my 21st Umra Anniversary was fast approaching.
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
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Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Jenny M Benson
2019-06-05 08:31:48 UTC
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That would have really shaken me, if I hadn't already been shaken a few
weeks ago by discovering my 21st Umra Anniversary was fast approaching.
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
My first post was 29 May. I hadn't "had the intenet" for many weeks
then. Part of the package from Demon, including Turnpike, was some
information about newsgroups. Not sure exactly how I discovered Umra in
particular.
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Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Vicky Ayech
2019-06-05 08:47:39 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Chris McMillan
Post by Birthday Monitor
Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
*19 years ago*!!
That would have really shaken me, if I hadn't already been shaken a few
weeks ago by discovering my 21st Umra Anniversary was fast approaching.
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I think Niles recruited me and it must have been around then too.
Penny
2019-06-05 09:17:37 UTC
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On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:24:30 +0100, Penny <***@labyrinth.freeuk.com>
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
Ooo, I've just found my first post, 14/4/1998. I missed an apostrophe which
led to a wonderfully umratic swerve about M&S selling donor sperm with this
from George Middleton:

"Jean and I have been chuckling over this thrust of wit. Discussing where
the product would be displayed, and how they would claim that their
staff have been specially trained in giving advice to anyone unsure
about using it for the first time. Where would they get it from? I'd go
along with Garrison Kieller on this and get it only from clean
Norwegians. I suppose eventually there would be a cheaper line with the
small-print, "Contains sperm from more than one country."

Then the tv adverts. Happy family, mum, dad, at least two flaxen haired,
blue eyed children, all laughing and loving each other. Mum (Linda
Bellingham? No, too old, Caron Keating?) slides this rounded end phial
containing a pale blue liquid from its M&S packaging and says quietly to
pop (somebody weedy, Philip Franks?), "Is it time for another?" "
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Jane Vernon
2019-06-05 09:44:26 UTC
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
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Jane
The Potter in the Purple socks - to reply, please remove PURPLE
BTME

http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook.htm - Umrats' recipes
Mike
2019-06-05 09:58:14 UTC
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
Can’t remember my first posting date either, it was through Demon, I know
that much.
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Toodle Pip
Chris McMillan
2019-06-05 10:26:33 UTC
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Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
Can’t remember my first posting date either, it was through Demon, I know
that much.
I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7. And I know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?

Sincerely Chris
SODAM
2019-06-05 11:55:46 UTC
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I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7. And I know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?
I think I saw TA in a list of new newsgroups. How does one find out about
old posts?
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SODAM
The thinking umrat’s choice for editor
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-06-05 12:21:33 UTC
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Post by Chris McMillan
I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7. And I know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?
I think I saw TA in a list of new newsgroups. How does one find out about
old posts?
Goggle gropes maybe? I don't know how far back they have it, but I know
they have had UMRA, probably still do.
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Do ministers do more than lay people?
Mike
2019-06-05 12:45:54 UTC
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I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7. And I know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?
I think I saw TA in a list of new newsgroups. How does one find out about
old posts?
Goggle gropes maybe? I don't know how far back they have it, but I know
they have had UMRA, probably still do.
I doubt there is, or ever has been, any other newsgroup so expert at thread
swerves, friendliness, encyclopedic knowledge, tolerance with pedantry and
pun tolerance in the whole WWW.
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LFS
2019-06-05 13:18:55 UTC
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Post by Chris McMillan
I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7. And I know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?
I think I saw TA in a list of new newsgroups. How does one find out about
old posts?
Goggle gropes maybe? I don't know how far back they have it, but I know
they have had UMRA, probably still do.
I doubt there is, or ever has been, any other newsgroup so expert at thread
swerves, friendliness, encyclopedic knowledge, tolerance with pedantry and
pun tolerance in the whole WWW.
alt.usage.english used to be like that. I learned a great deal from some
very well-informed people and have made some wonderful and enduring RL
friendships there. Sadly, many of the most engaging contributors have
given up in the face of some very difficult people who just want to
argue. Umra is far more friendly these days.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-06-05 13:27:55 UTC
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Post by Mike
I doubt there is, or ever has been, any other newsgroup so expert at thread
swerves,
That we do seem to be expert at! Though I suspect other friendly ones do
too: certainly, of the ones I take, uk.tech.broadcast and the Windows
ones (98, XP, and 7) do have swerves. And I think APIHNA did before it
got moribund.
Post by Mike
friendliness,
I've heard it said - mainly on here, I think - that the Corrie one is
similarly friendly. APIHNA certainly was, UTB is.
Post by Mike
encyclopedic knowledge,
indeed!
Post by Mike
tolerance with pedantry and
And that. And some excellence in pedantry - including humorous
clamping-with-glee on mistakes. (APIHNA - as you might expect - was/is
appreciative of pedantry - not just of its nominal, but also other cases
that trigger it, such as PNS syndrome and alarmed barriers.)
Post by Mike
pun tolerance in the whole WWW.
Not just tolerance, but appreciation - and I think great skill! (Not
least from yourself!)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
Sam Plusnet
2019-06-05 22:05:50 UTC
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I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7.   And I
know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?
I think I saw TA in a list of new newsgroups. How does one find out about
old posts?
Goggle gropes maybe? I don't know how far back they have it, but I know
they have had UMRA, probably still do.
They 'took over' from Deja Vu but (IIRC) they made a Horlicks of the
thing, so I'm not sure if there is a reliable repository.
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Dumrat
2019-06-05 16:16:03 UTC
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
Can’t remember my first posting date either, it was through Demon, I know
that much.
I remember we got on line over Christmas/ New Year. 1996/7. And I know I
scrolled through newsgroups looking for radio. We might have been able to
search on names?
I was a late arrival at the Umratic ball, my first de-lurk being in September 1999, after
which I properly delurked to talk about Marmite at the Genevan Escalade, in November 1999.
The dorter was 4 and singing Savoyard songs. She is now 24 and studying for a Manchester
Master's.
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Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Dumrat
Serena Blanchflower
2019-06-05 18:46:08 UTC
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I was a late arrival at the Umratic ball, my first de-lurk being in
September 1999, after which I properly delurked to talk about Marmite at
the Genevan Escalade, in November 1999. The dorter was 4 and singing
Savoyard songs. She is now 24 and studying for a Manchester Master's.
I was even later, delurking about six months after your debut. I had
been lurking for two or three years though and, when I first found umra,
the main topic of conversation was the BBQ (I forget whether it was then
imminent or had just occurred) in 1997, IIRC.
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Best wishes, Serena
I dropped out of communism class because of lousy Marx.
Vicky Ayech
2019-06-05 10:07:11 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 10:44:26 +0100, Jane Vernon
Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
MTAAW
Jenny M Benson
2019-06-05 13:19:05 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 10:44:26 +0100, Jane Vernon
Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
MTAAW
Go to Goggle Gropes and look for messages from you in <insert a likely
period here, for example "01 January 1998 - 31 December 1998>. If
nothing is found, search a later period and if something is found near
the start of the period move back a bit.

That's how I found my first post when looking for it a few years ago. I
then made a diary note!
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Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-06-05 12:19:35 UTC
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Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
The first post I've _saved_ is dated 1995-11-5 (from John Bray with a
compulink address on where to get shipping forecast teatowels!). The
sixth is "Welcome to umra 1.0" dated 1996-5-10, and says it is an
informal FAQ. It's rather fun; was then maintained by three people with
ox.ac.uk addresses. The first names I recognise as still current are -
is Chris Harrison of summaries fame still here (1996-10-31)? - if not
then Chris McT, 1997-6-10. (These aren't the first from these - just the
first I've saved.) [The first I've saved from me is 2008-4-20, but of
course I wouldn't normally save my own - Turnpike saves a copy of every
post and email, but I clear those out occasionally. I would have been
posting from soon after I started taking, which I think was within days
of creation.]

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Penny
2019-06-05 12:49:38 UTC
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Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
I searched through Google groups looking for different versions of my name
and 'from' addresses, having forgotten what my early ones were.
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Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Jane Vernon
2019-06-05 17:03:47 UTC
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Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
I searched through Google groups looking for different versions of my name
and 'from' addresses, having forgotten what my early ones were.
Ah, that gave me the clue. I searched for my old email address and
found March 1999.
Thank you Penny.
--
Jane
The Potter in the Purple socks - to reply, please remove PURPLE
BTME

http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook.htm - Umrats' recipes
Vicky Ayech
2019-06-05 20:58:30 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 10:44:26 +0100, Jane Vernon
Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
I searched through Google groups looking for different versions of my name
and 'from' addresses, having forgotten what my early ones were.
Ah, that gave me the clue. I searched for my old email address and
found March 1999.
Thank you Penny.
I think the earliest I can see is
Spoiler 15.9.98 Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
***@void.demon.co.uk wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:51:51 +0100,
K decameron W > > enlightened us enchantingly > >thus: > > > >>In
article...
krw
2019-06-05 21:09:55 UTC
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Spoiler 15.9.98 Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
K decameron W > > enlightened us enchantingly > >thus: > > > >>In
article...
I never did understand why Robin substituted Richard with decameron.
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Penny
2019-06-06 09:41:59 UTC
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 22:09:55 +0100, krw <***@whitnet.uk> scrawled in the
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Spoiler 15.9.98 Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
K decameron W > > enlightened us enchantingly > >thus: > > > >>In
article...
I never did understand why Robin substituted Richard with decameron.
It was down to a mis-reading of part of your sig
LSS super-numery

Rachel Burgess wrote
"I keep reading that as 'super-nunnery' which conjures visions of nuns
swooping about like flocks of swallows 8-)"
to which TNMF replied
"i do wish you hadn't said that. k richard's going to be entwined in
my mind with mediaeval bawdy stories for ever more."

In the attributions he had replaced Richard with [Decameron] (with square
brackets and capital D). In later responses which included you in the
attributions he just substituted decameron for Richard.
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Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
krw
2019-06-06 10:13:31 UTC
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Spoiler 15.9.98 Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
K decameron W > > enlightened us enchantingly > >thus: > > > >>In
article...
I never did understand why Robin substituted Richard with decameron.
It was down to a mis-reading of part of your sig
LSS super-numery
"I keep reading that as 'super-nunnery' which conjures visions of nuns
swooping about like flocks of swallows 8-)"
to which TNMF replied
"i do wish you hadn't said that. k richard's going to be entwined in
my mind with mediaeval bawdy stories for ever more."
In the attributions he had replaced Richard with [Decameron] (with square
brackets and capital D). In later responses which included you in the
attributions he just substituted decameron for Richard.
Thank you for that. Of course it was all before D.Cameron.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
John Ashby
2019-06-06 12:47:20 UTC
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Spoiler 15.9.98 Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
K decameron W > > enlightened us enchantingly > >thus: > > > >>In
article...
I never did understand why Robin substituted Richard with decameron.
It was down to a mis-reading of part of your sig
LSS super-numery
"I keep reading that as 'super-nunnery' which conjures visions of nuns
swooping about like flocks of swallows 8-)"
to which TNMF replied
"i do wish you hadn't said that.  k richard's going to be entwined in
my mind with mediaeval bawdy stories for ever more."
In the attributions he had replaced Richard with  [Decameron] (with
square
brackets and capital D). In later responses which included you in the
attributions he just substituted decameron for Richard.
Thank you for that.  Of course it was all before D.Cameron.
No pigs in Bocaccio.

john
BrritSki
2019-06-07 09:25:01 UTC
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Spoiler 15.9.98 Is it a bird? Is it a plane?
K decameron W > > enlightened us enchantingly > >thus: > > > >>In
article...
I never did understand why Robin substituted Richard with decameron.
It was down to a mis-reading of part of your sig
LSS super-numery
"I keep reading that as 'super-nunnery' which conjures visions of nuns
swooping about like flocks of swallows 8-)"
to which TNMF replied
"i do wish you hadn't said that.  k richard's going to be entwined in
my mind with mediaeval bawdy stories for ever more."
In the attributions he had replaced Richard with  [Decameron] (with
square
brackets and capital D). In later responses which included you in the
attributions he just substituted decameron for Richard.
Thank you for that.  Of course it was all before D.Cameron.
No pigs in Bocaccio.
I rather liked the suggestion that his autobiography shoukd be called
Swineshead Revisited, even though I accept that story is apocryphal.
LFS
2019-06-05 13:13:38 UTC
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
I found my first ever message on Usenet (in alt.usage.english on 2 Nov
1997) via Google Groups.

Searching umra on your name and 1999, this looks like the first thread
you contributed to:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/jane$20vernon$201999%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/H4VcE6XgAtA/t3jwmYH7vfcJ
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Jane Vernon
2019-06-05 17:05:56 UTC
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to
find my first message.
I found my first ever message on Usenet (in alt.usage.english on 2 Nov
1997) via Google Groups.
Searching umra on your name and 1999, this looks like the first thread
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/jane$20vernon$201999%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/H4VcE6XgAtA/t3jwmYH7vfcJ
Thank you Laura, it was. I couldn't find how to search by date at first
and then when I did couldn't do most recent last, but got there in the end!
--
Jane
The Potter in the Purple socks - to reply, please remove PURPLE
BTME

http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook.htm - Umrats' recipes
Vicky Ayech
2019-06-05 20:46:40 UTC
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Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
I found my first ever message on Usenet (in alt.usage.english on 2 Nov
1997) via Google Groups.
Searching umra on your name and 1999, this looks like the first thread
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/jane$20vernon$201999%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/H4VcE6XgAtA/t3jwmYH7vfcJ
That thread showe me too
3/8/99
***@void.demon.co.uk On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:44:14 +0000, Jane
Vernon <***@otbo.demon.co.uk> enlightened us enchantingly thus:
BrritSki
2019-06-05 13:56:58 UTC
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Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to find
my first message.
This link will take you to what Google Gropes thinks is my first post,
but I suspect it was earlier. It certainly was elsewhere.

<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/brritski$20AND$20before$3A2000$2F06$2F04%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/zfe5RBSABSs/CLxnp2t2B64J?

You can edit that link to change brritski to whatever handle you were
using when you joined umra, or in the "search for messages" box at the
top of the page, you can click on the little down arrow icon and a whole
panel drops down where you can search for all kinds of stuff. I added
the date that I thought I started before and then put my handle in the
"has the words" box. I tried in "Posted by" but that didn't seem to work.
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2019-06-05 18:11:47 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
a whole
panel drops down where you can search for all kinds of stuff. I added
the date that I thought I started before and then put my handle in the
"has the words" box. I tried in "Posted by" but that didn't seem to work.
I failed to find the advanced search which used to be easy to locate.
I just tried the search box at the top with "by:Penny" which didn't work
but "by Penny" did.
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Sam Plusnet
2019-06-05 22:10:16 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
Post by BrritSki
a whole
panel drops down where you can search for all kinds of stuff. I added
the date that I thought I started before and then put my handle in the
"has the words" box. I tried in "Posted by" but that didn't seem to work.
I failed to find the advanced search which used to be easy to locate.
I just tried the search box at the top with "by:Penny" which didn't work
but "by Penny" did.
'Ere! Leave your colon out of this.
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Sid Nuncius
2019-06-06 08:51:12 UTC
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Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
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Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to
find my first message.
This link will take you to what Google Gropes thinks is my first post,
but I suspect it was earlier. It certainly was elsewhere.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/brritski$20AND$20before$3A2000$2F06$2F04%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/zfe5RBSABSs/CLxnp2t2B64J?
You can edit that link to change brritski to whatever handle you were
using when you joined umra, or in the "search for messages" box at the
top of the page, you can click on the little down arrow icon and a whole
panel drops down where you can search for all kinds of stuff. I added
the date that I thought I started before and then put my handle in the
"has the words" box. I tried in "Posted by" but that didn't seem to work.
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work. I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on an
old, defunct machine. I've tried every combination I can think of in
Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no results.
Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest first?

(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
***@tesco.net when I started AFAICR, but neither seems to work.)
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Jenny M Benson
2019-06-06 09:19:41 UTC
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Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on an
old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of in
Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no results. Is
there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
Your earliest which I can find is

"Has anyone else noticed that when Eddie is in trouble and addresses his
spouse with his wheedling "...Clarrie lurve..." he often seems to sing
it to the opening three notes of Aaron Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man?
A subtle yet powerful affirmation of the dignity of simple farming folk,
in my view"

on 21 Feb 1999.
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http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Sid Nuncius
2019-06-06 09:59:12 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on
an old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of
in Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no
results. Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest
first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
Your earliest which I can find is
"Has anyone else noticed that when Eddie is in trouble and addresses his
spouse with his wheedling "...Clarrie lurve..." he often seems to sing
it to the opening three notes of Aaron Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man?
A subtle yet powerful affirmation of the dignity of simple farming folk,
in my view"
on 21 Feb 1999.
That's the very chap! I remember it well as my first foray into umra.
Thank you, Jenny!

So, I had my 20th umratic birthday a few months ago. I'm starting to
feel almost grown up.
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Jane Vernon
2019-06-06 12:41:04 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on
an old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of
in Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no
results. Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest
first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
Your earliest which I can find is
"Has anyone else noticed that when Eddie is in trouble and addresses his
spouse with his wheedling "...Clarrie lurve..." he often seems to sing
it to the opening three notes of Aaron Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man?
A subtle yet powerful affirmation of the dignity of simple farming
folk, in my view"
on 21 Feb 1999.
That's the very chap!  I remember it well as my first foray into umra.
Thank you, Jenny!
So, I had my 20th umratic birthday a few months ago.  I'm starting to
feel almost grown up.
I was lurking then! I know I found the group in February and posted on
7th March. I'd always assumed you'd been here for years and years
before me.
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BTME

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Nick Odell
2019-06-06 16:05:48 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on
an old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of
in Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no
results. Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest
first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
Your earliest which I can find is
"Has anyone else noticed that when Eddie is in trouble and addresses his
spouse with his wheedling "...Clarrie lurve..." he often seems to sing
it to the opening three notes of Aaron Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man?
A subtle yet powerful affirmation of the dignity of simple farming
folk, in my view"
on 21 Feb 1999.
That's the very chap!  I remember it well as my first foray into umra.
Thank you, Jenny!
So, I had my 20th umratic birthday a few months ago.  I'm starting to
feel almost grown up.
I'm sure Google Boodeley Groups is deliberately obfuscating searches in
the far back catalogue. I think that I had been lurking on umra for some
time and I'd always believed that this....
Subject: Absolutely, totally off (DAC 90A)
Date: 1999/02/12
X-Deja-AN: 443577622
X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19
X-Trace: 12 Feb 1999 11:21:45 GMT, 194.112.55.219
Newsgroups: uk.media.radio.archers
So pleased to hear Jeni Murray refer to "the wireless" on WH this
morning. I listen to my late 30's Bush DAC90 in the bedroom, my late
50's Stella in the workshop and I _would_ be listening to my late 40's
DAC90A in the kitchen instead of a disgusting little tranny if only I
could find the specification for the tapped power resistor which has
burned out. Just wondered if there is an umrat with a service sheet?
Nick
....was my first post.

But since, in the first fifty or so posts that follow nobody greeted or
welcomed me I presume I was already known.

Nick
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2019-06-06 16:41:49 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
I'd always believed that this....
Subject: Absolutely, totally off (DAC 90A)
Date: 1999/02/12
X-Deja-AN: 443577622
X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19
X-Trace: 12 Feb 1999 11:21:45 GMT, 194.112.55.219
Newsgroups: uk.media.radio.archers
So pleased to hear Jeni Murray refer to "the wireless" on WH this
morning. I listen to my late 30's Bush DAC90 in the bedroom, my late
50's Stella in the workshop and I _would_ be listening to my late 40's
DAC90A in the kitchen instead of a disgusting little tranny if only I
could find the specification for the tapped power resistor which has
burned out. Just wondered if there is an umrat with a service sheet?
Nick
....was my first post.
I found a thread you started on 11/10/1998
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/dircon.co.uk$20(nick$20odell)$20before$3A1999$2F02$2F12%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/kNj06J056B8/VgVOwAq2VT4J>

"I've been away from the wireless...

I've been away from the wireless for the last couple of months - what
have I missed?"

Were you using a 'no archive' tag?

BTW, the plusnet news server has amazing retention. I stopped it from
downloading all the headers it has when I first used it - does anyone know
how far back it goes?
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Nick Odell
2019-06-06 20:37:51 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:05:48 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
I'd always believed that this....
Subject: Absolutely, totally off (DAC 90A)
Date: 1999/02/12
X-Deja-AN: 443577622
X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19
X-Trace: 12 Feb 1999 11:21:45 GMT, 194.112.55.219
Newsgroups: uk.media.radio.archers
So pleased to hear Jeni Murray refer to "the wireless" on WH this
morning. I listen to my late 30's Bush DAC90 in the bedroom, my late
50's Stella in the workshop and I _would_ be listening to my late 40's
DAC90A in the kitchen instead of a disgusting little tranny if only I
could find the specification for the tapped power resistor which has
burned out. Just wondered if there is an umrat with a service sheet?
Nick
....was my first post.
I found a thread you started on 11/10/1998
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/dircon.co.uk$20(nick$20odell)$20before$3A1999$2F02$2F12%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/kNj06J056B8/VgVOwAq2VT4J>
"I've been away from the wireless...
I've been away from the wireless for the last couple of months - what
have I missed?"
I had forgotten about that one. I can't even remember why I was away.
Post by Penny
Were you using a 'no archive' tag?
I've never used x no archive. In fact I'm not quite sure how it should
be written. Is it x=noarchive? x-noarchive=yes? x-archive=no? (I suppose
I could look that up)
Post by Penny
BTW, the plusnet news server has amazing retention. I stopped it from
downloading all the headers it has when I first used it - does anyone know
how far back it goes?
In 2014 Giganews was boasting that it had now broken through to more
than 2000 days of
retention.https://www.giganews.com/2000-days-retention/ and from the
upbeat tone of the article I imagine that figure is higher now.

Nick
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2019-06-06 17:36:09 UTC
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<***@themusicworkshop.plus.com> writes:
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Post by Nick Odell
I'm sure Google Boodeley Groups is deliberately obfuscating searches in
the far back catalogue. I think that I had been lurking on umra for
(I couldn't get it to work at all with the backstuff.)
Post by Nick Odell
some time and I'd always believed that this....
[]
Post by Nick Odell
50's Stella in the workshop and I _would_ be listening to my late 40's
DAC90A in the kitchen instead of a disgusting little tranny if only I
could find the specification for the tapped power resistor which has
burned out. Just wondered if there is an umrat with a service sheet?
[]
Post by Nick Odell
....was my first post.
Did you ever get that old wireless going again? (I'm sure my friend
Gerry the Museum would have helped you, but unfortunately he's now late;
AFAIK the museum is still going, and might have datasheets.)
[]
Once a Gilliver, always, though in this case it wasn't me who/that
started the gillivering ... (-:

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(Where has the "treat northern Ireland differently" option gone?)
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Nick Odell
2019-06-06 20:45:10 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
I'm sure Google Boodeley Groups is deliberately obfuscating searches
in the far back catalogue. I think that I had been lurking on umra for
(I couldn't get it to work at all with the backstuff.)
Post by Nick Odell
some time and I'd always believed that this....
[]
Post by Nick Odell
50's Stella in the workshop and I _would_ be listening to my late 40's
DAC90A in the kitchen instead of a disgusting little tranny if only I
could find the specification for the tapped power resistor which  has
burned out. Just wondered if there is an umrat with a service sheet?
[]
Post by Nick Odell
....was my first post.
Did you ever get that old wireless going again? (I'm sure my friend
I still have both of those wireless sets. The one that needed repair
still needs repair and the one that worked still works but both have now
been retired (it was twenty years ago!!!)

The awful tranny in the kitchen (sorry, Vicky) is now the awful tranny
in the bathroom where it's lack of AFC could probably be utilised to
work out the temperature of my bath IICBA.

I have at least one working radio in each room in the house - doesn't
everybody?
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Gerry the Museum would have helped you, but unfortunately he's now late;
AFAIK the museum is still going, and might have datasheets.)
[]
In the intervening twenty years it has become much easier to find
datasheets on line for all sorts of things and I found one for the dead
set a number of years ago
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Once a Gilliver, always, though in this case it wasn't me who/that
<grin>

Nick
BrritSki
2019-06-07 09:28:03 UTC
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....was my first post.
But since, in the first fifty or so posts that follow nobody greeted or
welcomed me I presume I was already known.
I was never welcomed either <sob>

Weevil who joined at the same time was though :/
Vicky Ayech
2019-06-07 10:48:18 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
So, I had my 20th umratic birthday a few months ago. I'm starting to
feel almost grown up.
I will have my 21st UMRA birthday in September. You have all been so
enjoyable and were so nice when I joined. And have remained so. Thank
you.
Penny
2019-06-06 09:59:38 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:19:41 +0100, Jenny M Benson <***@hotmail.co.uk>
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Jenny M Benson
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on an
old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of in
Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no results. Is
there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
Your earliest which I can find is
"Has anyone else noticed that when Eddie is in trouble and addresses his
spouse with his wheedling "...Clarrie lurve..." he often seems to sing
it to the opening three notes of Aaron Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man?
A subtle yet powerful affirmation of the dignity of simple farming folk,
in my view"
on 21 Feb 1999.
That's the earliest I can find posted by Sid too and, from TNMF's comment
on your pseudonym, I think it was the first he'd seen too. He wrote

"Siderius Nuncius <***@tesco.net> wrote:
i like it -- if you're going to have an invented name for use on your
isp, it might as well be something completeely different -- all those
fred324 people are a real bore."
--
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Vicky Ayech
2019-06-06 09:21:26 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
Post by BrritSki
Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to
find my first message.
This link will take you to what Google Gropes thinks is my first post,
but I suspect it was earlier. It certainly was elsewhere.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/brritski$20AND$20before$3A2000$2F06$2F04%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/zfe5RBSABSs/CLxnp2t2B64J?
You can edit that link to change brritski to whatever handle you were
using when you joined umra, or in the "search for messages" box at the
top of the page, you can click on the little down arrow icon and a whole
panel drops down where you can search for all kinds of stuff. I added
the date that I thought I started before and then put my handle in the
"has the words" box. I tried in "Posted by" but that didn't seem to work.
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work. I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on an
old, defunct machine. I've tried every combination I can think of in
Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no results.
Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Kate B
2019-06-06 10:29:37 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:51:12 +0100, Sid Nuncius
Post by Sid Nuncius
Post by BrritSki
Post by Jane Vernon
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Penny
Gosh, I hadn't thought about it but I found umra 21 years (and a couple of
months) ago. I'm pretty sure you were already here, Jenny, or returned
after an absence soon after.
I thought I joined in February 1999 but am unsure how to search to
find my first message.
This link will take you to what Google Gropes thinks is my first post,
but I suspect it was earlier. It certainly was elsewhere.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/brritski$20AND$20before$3A2000$2F06$2F04%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/zfe5RBSABSs/CLxnp2t2B64J?
You can edit that link to change brritski to whatever handle you were
using when you joined umra, or in the "search for messages" box at the
top of the page, you can click on the little down arrow icon and a whole
panel drops down where you can search for all kinds of stuff. I added
the date that I thought I started before and then put my handle in the
"has the words" box. I tried in "Posted by" but that didn't seem to work.
Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work. I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on an
old, defunct machine. I've tried every combination I can think of in
Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no results.
Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Same with me. I started as ***@yell.almac.co.uk.time (sig: take time
out to reply) and I'm sure it was sometime in the second half of 1997
which was the Year I Became Connected. I was working with the Glasgow
International Early Music Festival at the time, and we signed up to a
jolly Scots ISP which asked you to choose a Scottish island to be
e-domiciled on. Hence 'Yell'. I seem to remember this being remarked
upon at the time but can't find anything of mine earlier than 1998. If
you just search u.m.r.a there seem to be posts going back into 1997, but
nothing of mine.
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Penny
2019-06-06 11:34:15 UTC
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Post by Kate B
out to reply) and I'm sure it was sometime in the second half of 1997
which was the Year I Became Connected.
I found a post of yours dated 16/9/1997, quoted as

In article <***@news.almac.co.uk>, kate brown
<URL:mailto:***@yell.almac.co.uk> wrote:

So you hadn't set your spam trap at that time.
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Kate B
2019-06-06 19:49:48 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
Post by Kate B
out to reply) and I'm sure it was sometime in the second half of 1997
which was the Year I Became Connected.
I found a post of yours dated 16/9/1997, quoted as
So you hadn't set your spam trap at that time.
I was an innocent then.... did I say anything interesting? September
seems about right as I think I would have acquired the email address in
August.
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London
steveski
2019-06-06 21:13:37 UTC
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I was an innocent then...
What flavour?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-06-06 22:09:49 UTC
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Post by Kate B
I was an innocent then...
What flavour?
And were you a smoothie?
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"Flobalob" actually means "Flowerpot" in Oddle-Poddle.
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2019-06-06 22:06:57 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Kate B
out to reply) and I'm sure it was sometime in the second half of 1997
which was the Year I Became Connected.
I found a post of yours dated 16/9/1997, quoted as
So you hadn't set your spam trap at that time.
I was an innocent then.... did I say anything interesting? September
seems about right as I think I would have acquired the email address in
August.
The thread was about someone waving a sheep around at a Prom concert. Keith
Post by Kate B
Give us some details of the sheep.
from the London Evening Standard review of the Last Night:

... the most poignant aspect of the closing concert was the fact that
two days previously, the blue parts of the Union Jack had more or less
voted themselves off the flag.... the two saltires in the hall looked
decidedly sheepish.


does this help, at all?


Kate B"
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Kate B
2019-06-07 11:18:09 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Kate B
out to reply) and I'm sure it was sometime in the second half of 1997
which was the Year I Became Connected.
I found a post of yours dated 16/9/1997, quoted as
So you hadn't set your spam trap at that time.
I was an innocent then.... did I say anything interesting? September
seems about right as I think I would have acquired the email address in
August.
The thread was about someone waving a sheep around at a Prom concert. Keith
Post by Kate B
Give us some details of the sheep.
.... the most poignant aspect of the closing concert was the fact that
two days previously, the blue parts of the Union Jack had more or less
voted themselves off the flag.... the two saltires in the hall looked
decidedly sheepish.
does this help, at all?
Kate B"
Good heavens, what a feat of sleuthery! I don't think that was the
first, though. I'm sure I'd have done a formal delurk.
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Penny
2019-06-07 14:01:01 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Good heavens, what a feat of sleuthery! I don't think that was the
first, though. I'm sure I'd have done a formal delurk.
Well, there is another thread from a little later the same day (related to
the last night of the Proms and the funeral of Princess Diana) in which
TNMF queries your Yell email address which he says he hasn't noticed
before.

In the same thread I found Niles using his full given name and signing off
as AJF, so guess it was his early days here too.
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Jenny M Benson
2019-06-06 12:15:47 UTC
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I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Earliest I can find for you, Vicky, is

"Do you think the vet is making a prediction for the future?
Is Daniel played by a child actor? Or a grownup trying to sound like
a child? I don't know any kids who sound so sickening."

on Christmas Day, 1998.
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Mike
2019-06-06 14:29:22 UTC
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I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Earliest I can find for you, Vicky, is
"Do you think the vet is making a prediction for the future?
Is Daniel played by a child actor? Or a grownup trying to sound like
a child? I don't know any kids who sound so sickening."
on Christmas Day, 1998.
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
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Jenny M Benson
2019-06-06 15:41:01 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Earliest I can find for you, Vicky, is
"Do you think the vet is making a prediction for the future?
Is Daniel played by a child actor? Or a grownup trying to sound like
a child? I don't know any kids who sound so sickening."
on Christmas Day, 1998.
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
I think this, from 04 Feb 1996:

Thank you very much Robin, and I'm sorry I upset you Ian, perhaps I may
appease your feelings just a little:
Whilst 'surfing' on CADVision's Living City for our young daughter, I
came across a 'find the duck' game; there are various pictures in this
game with a duck hiding in each. You may wonder whey I raise this in
umra... well.
just try: http://aurora.york.ac.uk/cgi-bin/ducks.sh?2 and also the same
ending in ?5. Perhaps the more avid readers will be able to tell me the
names behind the faces please.

Following your sig, with e-mail and snail-mail addresses, was "If
Computers are such clever things... how come mine can't speel
(or format)? S-O-R-R-Y!!!"


And Vicky, sorry, I've now got you back a bit further, to 12 Sep 1998:

"Isn't Greg going to fall for Debbie? And Brian and Jenefer will be
cross because he is an employee and not good enough?

And don't call Caroline a bike! You didn't call Brian one. Sexist
pigs!

This is my delurk by the way :)

I love the suggestions for Shula being killed. I just read the group
for the first time today.

Niles has been saying look at it and also on other groups where the
Archers keep creeping in people who read this suggest the discussion
moves over.

What about Alastair and Usha? That would serve Shula right..or usha
decides to help Roy bring Baby up and they get custody?"

You will notice that this was DEFINITELY your first post!
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Vicky Ayech
2019-06-06 16:17:18 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Vicky Ayech
I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Earliest I can find for you, Vicky, is
"Do you think the vet is making a prediction for the future?
Is Daniel played by a child actor? Or a grownup trying to sound like
a child? I don't know any kids who sound so sickening."
on Christmas Day, 1998.
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
Thank you very much Robin, and I'm sorry I upset you Ian, perhaps I may
Whilst 'surfing' on CADVision's Living City for our young daughter, I
came across a 'find the duck' game; there are various pictures in this
game with a duck hiding in each. You may wonder whey I raise this in
umra... well.
just try: http://aurora.york.ac.uk/cgi-bin/ducks.sh?2 and also the same
ending in ?5. Perhaps the more avid readers will be able to tell me the
names behind the faces please.
Following your sig, with e-mail and snail-mail addresses, was "If
Computers are such clever things... how come mine can't speel
(or format)? S-O-R-R-Y!!!"
"Isn't Greg going to fall for Debbie? And Brian and Jenefer will be
cross because he is an employee and not good enough?
And don't call Caroline a bike! You didn't call Brian one. Sexist
pigs!
This is my delurk by the way :)
I love the suggestions for Shula being killed. I just read the group
for the first time today.
Niles has been saying look at it and also on other groups where the
Archers keep creeping in people who read this suggest the discussion
moves over.
What about Alastair and Usha? That would serve Shula right..or usha
decides to help Roy bring Baby up and they get custody?"
You will notice that this was DEFINITELY your first post!
Oh yes. Thank you :). I see I read for the first time and posted at
once. Not someone to observe quietly first! But I'd been chatting
online, on IRC and news places, since beginning on Prestel when we got
the first modem in 1987. The news places were on bulletin boards that
exchanged groups with each other,. And some ran on-going games too.
Anne B
2019-06-06 22:25:35 UTC
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I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Earliest I can find for you, Vicky, is
"Do you think the vet is making a prediction for the future?
Is Daniel played by a child actor? Or a grownup trying to sound like
a child? I don't know any kids who sound so sickening."
on Christmas Day, 1998.
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.

Anne B
SODAM
2019-06-06 23:53:11 UTC
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And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.
I found it difficult but did a search* on “Goggle Groups
uk.media.radio.archers”. From the results I chose one site but it only went
back sixteen years. Then I found the proper GG one and did a search on my
name. The earliest post I could find was 9.6.96 but I don’t think it was my
first. The date order is very muddled, so it took nearly an hour to find
that one.

*Not on Goggle, which I don’t use.
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2019-06-07 09:41:15 UTC
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Post by Anne B
Post by Mike
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.
Anne B
I'm struggling to find you before October 2002 - who were you with before
btinternet?
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Anne B
2019-06-07 10:19:07 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
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Post by Mike
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.
Anne B
I'm struggling to find you before October 2002 - who were you with before
btinternet?
Newscientist.net

Anne B
Penny
2019-06-07 11:23:34 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Anne B
Post by Mike
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.
Anne B
I'm struggling to find you before October 2002 - who were you with before
btinternet?
Newscientist.net
Anne B
Rare but not unique (but you are not Fred Dowson), I found

anne.burgess
27/09/1999
Thanks for a great laugh.
Did you know that in Scotland an earwig is called a horny-golloch?

Anne

Followed by a post from Sid saying "Welcome!" but whether to the thanks or
to you is not entirely clear.

While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie put
breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça change ;)
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Mike
2019-06-07 12:10:10 UTC
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Post by Anne B
Post by Mike
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.
Anne B
I'm struggling to find you before October 2002 - who were you with before
btinternet?
Newscientist.net
Anne B
Rare but not unique (but you are not Fred Dowson), I found
anne.burgess
27/09/1999
Thanks for a great laugh.
Did you know that in Scotland an earwig is called a horny-golloch?
Anne
Followed by a post from Sid saying "Welcome!" but whether to the thanks or
to you is not entirely clear.
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie put
breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
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2019-06-07 13:00:42 UTC
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Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
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krw
2019-06-07 13:18:11 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
I suspect you said that in the original thread!
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2019-06-07 13:30:11 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
I should have used a question mark rather than an exclamation mark I think!
I have never owned either myself.
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Vicky Ayech
2019-06-07 17:58:04 UTC
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Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
I should have used a question mark rather than an exclamation mark I think!
I have never owned either myself.
I always wanted one or t'other.
Mike
2019-06-07 18:01:06 UTC
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Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
I should have used a question mark rather than an exclamation mark I think!
I have never owned either myself.
I always wanted one or t'other.
Don’t think we have the space in our kitchen.
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Vicky Ayech
2019-06-07 18:22:40 UTC
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Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman?s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
I should have used a question mark rather than an exclamation mark I think!
I have never owned either myself.
I always wanted one or t'other.
Don’t think we have the space in our kitchen.
I never had the money or a suitable kitchen layout.
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2019-06-07 22:39:31 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Penny
While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie
put breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça
change ;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
Rubbish! Raeburns are just as good as overpriced Agas where you're paying
for the (perceived) name.
I should have used a question mark rather than an exclamation mark I think!
I have never owned either myself.
I always wanted one or t'other.
We moved away from the house with an Aga when I was 12 so I'd only cooked
eggs, toast and drop scones on that (and boiled the enormous kettle).

There was a similar (but oil-fired) stove - I forget the make - in the
house we rented for a year when we first moved to Wales. I loved cooking
on/in that and, unlike the solid fuelled Aga I grew up with, it was very
controllable and through the summer it was no trouble to just light it up
when you wanted to cook. This was just as well because it cost a fortune to
run through the winter when it was supposedly also heating the house. Or
maybe it just felt that way because the oil bill had to be paid in a big
lump when the tank was filled.
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Jenny M Benson
2019-06-07 14:52:32 UTC
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While looking I found a thread about toast and toasters and why Clarrie put
breakfast 'under the grill' when she cooks on a Raeburn - plus ça change;)
The poor man/woman’s Aga!
When my daughter was born we were living in a bedsitter with
kitchenette. In the main room we had an Esse. Was that the
poverty-stricken (wo)man's Aga?!

(Unfortunately we had to stop using it because it was quite expensive to
run and the flat upstairs could and did access our hot water but weren't
prepared to pay for doing so.)
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BrritSki
2019-06-07 10:48:02 UTC
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I just put my earliest email into google groups but that gave me them
in date order with latest first. I had to scroll back and it would go
no further than the date I gave here. I did wonder whether there were
more, earlier.
Earliest I can find for you, Vicky, is
"Do you think the vet is making a prediction for the future?
Is Daniel played by a child actor?  Or a grownup trying to sound like
a child?  I don't know any kids who sound so sickening."
on Christmas Day, 1998.
Ooh! Me please Miss, when was my earliest recorded posting please?
And mine? I can't even get into Goggle Gropes, never mind search it.
Just click on one of the links I have provided (if you dare)....

That will get you in and then you can click on the little down triangle
in the search for message box and that will give you the options you can
search on.

I save this bookmark so I can always quickly get back to GG:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/uk.media.radio.archers>
BrritSki
2019-06-07 09:21:36 UTC
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Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on an
old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of in
Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no results. Is
there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
This link shows some post from you in early 1999, but nothing earlier
(the one from 1998 is a different Siderius). There are problems though
with GG and they lost a lot of posts when they took over the archive as
someone else has noted. My earliest post in another froup is shown as
1998, but I vividly remember the text was about bears and woods, so that
is not really the first one :/

<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/Siderius$20AND$20before$3A1999$2F03$2F06%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/L4NHwDqRzdc/f2j8LMx5zbcJ>
Sid Nuncius
2019-06-07 09:25:40 UTC
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Well, I'm nuggered if I can get it to work.  I think I joined umra
around 1997, but I can't remember and my earliest posts are saved on
an old, defunct machine.  I've tried every combination I can think of
in Google Groups but it either seems to show all my posts or no
results. Is there any way of sorting them by date but with earliest
first?
(My name here used to be listed as Siderius Nuncius and the email was
This link shows some post from you in early 1999, but nothing earlier
(the one from 1998 is a different Siderius). There are problems though
with GG and they lost a lot of posts when they took over the archive as
someone else has noted. My earliest post in another froup is shown as
1998, but I vividly remember the text was about bears and woods, so that
is not really the first one :/
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/uk.media.radio.archers/Siderius$20AND$20before$3A1999$2F03$2F06%7Csort:date/uk.media.radio.archers/L4NHwDqRzdc/f2j8LMx5zbcJ>
Yep - that's my first one. Thanks, old bean. (I've made a note of the
date now!)
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Chris J Dixon
2019-06-05 11:07:30 UTC
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Ooo, I've just found my first post, 14/4/1998. I missed an apostrophe which
led to a wonderfully umratic swerve about M&S selling donor sperm with this
I think I must have had to delete my copies of early posts, back
when disk space used to be a problem.

The earliest copy I have happens to be 21 years ago today, but as
I'm already using the geek code, I had clearly been around for a
bit.

Google seems very flaky for Usenet these days, but the oldest
umra post it offers for me is 05/12/97. My guess is that I joined
in spring '97.

Chris
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2019-06-06 01:51:45 UTC
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
My first post on my own machine seems to have been 29 March 1998...but I'd already been to the Archers Addicts event in Pebble Mill with CELSS (as she was!) TNMF and various others. Twenty one years, lapsing into and out of comas...
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Birthday News for today, 4 June: Peter Hesketh RIP (last post 08/00)
and Karen Barford.
Peter was the first person I met at the Umra Sunday in 1999 - a year
after John went tractor rolling. Others present included Min, Rosie,
Gid and Suzie. I don't recall who else was there.

That was just a few months before I changed jobs. It's was 20 years
at Spring Bank Holiday since I started work in Dav.
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