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Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-07-04 22:19:36 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
Sid Nuncius
2020-07-05 05:34:01 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
Not here - but, very sadly, the landlord died suddenly a month ago,
which I'm sure will be at least a contributory factor.

I hope that it does reopen eventually. I don't go in there much and
won't be able to go at all for the foreseeable future, but it's a real
social asset here and was very well run by Gerry. It was a lively,
popular and profitable place but given the situation now, I'm worried
that it may be closed and converted to flats. This has happened to one
of our lovely corner shops[1] and we're trying to stop it happening to
the other, which is closed but at least still extant. If the pub goes
too, that will be the end of any community meeting places here and it
will become just another arid, featureless residential area where no-one
knows each other. Mr. Johnson's proposed reforms to the planning system
will make this much more likely.

<sigh>


[1]Which was run by my good friend Mulji Kotecha, aka Joe WKE[2], and
family, to whom somerats may remember me making reference.

[2]Who Knows Everything.
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Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-07-05 10:39:10 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
Not here - but, very sadly, the landlord died suddenly a month ago,
which I'm sure will be at least a contributory factor.
<snipped>

There are several pubs here. The nearest, which I have never been in, lost its landlord to the CoronaLurgi just after all the pubs were full of racegoers in March.
Nick Odell
2020-07-05 20:39:11 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 03:39:10 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith Gloucestershire
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
Not here - but, very sadly, the landlord died suddenly a month ago,
which I'm sure will be at least a contributory factor.
<snipped>
There are several pubs here. The nearest, which I have never been in, lost its landlord to the CoronaLurgi just after all the pubs were full of racegoers in March.
Two Huddersfield pubs, within a quarter mile of each other, each lost
their landlords to heart attacks within a week or so. This was last
year which leads me to suspect that being a pub landlord is a health
risk in itself.

Nick
Penny
2020-07-05 23:00:19 UTC
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Two Huddersfield pubs, within a quarter mile of each other, each lost
their landlords to heart attacks within a week or so. This was last
year which leads me to suspect that being a pub landlord is a health
risk in itself.
Of course it is.
Long hours, split shifts, a degree of heavy lifting but little chance to
get out for exercise.
Though the village landlord in Kent did play golf and squash and was only
38 when he succumbed to a heart attack 6 months after the husgod died...
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-07-05 08:58:14 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
I think the pub closest to me was opening yesterday but I haven't heard
how it went. The largest pub/hotel in the village hasn't reopened and I
don't know when it plans to; it's a Fuller's pub and they say they're
going to be reopening in stages. The pub just outside the village,
which is the one I've visited most recently (about three years ago) is
planning to reopen on Monday.
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BrritSki
2020-07-05 09:02:55 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
I think the pub closest to me was opening yesterday but I haven't heard
how it went.
Good ! ;)
Serena Blanchflower
2020-07-05 09:16:24 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
I think the pub closest to me was opening yesterday but I haven't
heard how it went.
Good !   ;)
Yes, I assume that the fact that there's no chuntering on local social
media about it (other than wondering when/if the other pub in the
village is going to reopen and, when it does, what management it will
have), is good news.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-07-05 20:19:34 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
I think the pub closest to me was opening yesterday but I haven't
heard how it went.
Good !   ;)
Yes, I assume that the fact that there's no chuntering on local social
media about it (other than wondering when/if the other pub in the
village is going to reopen and, when it does, what management it will
have), is good news.
I assume the "Good !" and "good news" mean you're pleased (as anyone
would be) that raucous behaviour (and other problems - lack of social
distancing for example) due to drunkenness hasn't returned.

It did occur to me that this would be the opportunity to introduce some
sort of alcohol quantity limit. I doubt there's any chance, due to (a)
practical difficulties, (b) revenue questions [and livelihoods], (c)
civil liberties.

(a) Practical: comparing different types of drink; different quantities
for different people (e. g. men vs. women); "I'm buying a round, they're
not all for me!". I think they all _could_ be got round, but would
require not inconsiderable work.

(b1) Livelihoods. A significant number of people are employed in the
alcohol-selling industry, or related jobs (catering, entertainment, and
more). While it could be argued that the venues - and those employed in
them - don't _just_ sell alcohol, I suspect the extra income makes the
difference between viable and not viable for a fair number of venues,
and thus jobs.

(b2) [Government] revenue. A fair amount of government income comes from
excise duty on alcohol, plus VAT on the excise duty, and so on. Probably
not _that_ hard to quantify. A fair amount of government (national and
local) _expenditure_ also goes on this: direct on alcohol-related
diseases, and indirectly on extra injuries (fights, drunken drivers) -
and the policing of these matters. Probably a lot harder to quantify. I
do wonder how the two (revenue and [excess] expenditure) do compare,
though.

(c) civil liberties. I think this - bolstered by (a) and (b1) - is
what'd kill any such suggestion: "they're limiting our pints", "nanny
state gone mad", "a couple of drinks never hurt anyone", "a little
alcohol [especially certain kinds, such as red wine] is _good_ for you",
and so on. I'm also aware that since high alcohol consumption isn't my
thing, I could be seen as calling for curbs on something I don't do
anyway, thus it wouldn't bother me, and I don't like to think of myself
as trying to stop other people doing things just because _I_ don't like
them.


But I would have thought the opportunity would benefit from _discussion_
at least.

(Subject line - the transvestite/transsexual epicure: he just wanted to
eat, drink, and be Mary. IGMC ...)
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Jane Vernon
2020-07-05 10:31:27 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
The pub opposite me opened yesterday. They'd posted their new
regulations on Facebook earlier so I knew what it said on the door.
They seem very sensible, though I won't be going in for the foreseeable.
But to be fair, I've only been in once since it had new management as
I'm not really a pub person.

There were people outside in the evening. There's now a gazebo under
which are two tables and the rest are outside outside. I understand
there are tables inside too but because of the frosted glass I can't see
if there are people at them. I do know you're not allowed to go to the
bar to order drinks.

There were three people walking down the road in the evening obviously
going to a party or dinner of some sort as they carried wine and
something wrapped up in foil. I guess that's ok if it's outside.

So Stroud was relatively sedate, in this part anyway. I can't speak for
the centre and I'm sure Gloucester would have been different.
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Penny
2020-07-05 13:43:23 UTC
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT), Tony Smith Gloucestershire
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
I haven't heard reports today but D#1 lives three doors away from Crookes
Social Club in Sheffield (featured in various TV dramas), which opened for
food recently and hit local news as having the biggest beer garden in
Sheffield. They've put well-spaced picnic tables on the bowling green
(shock, horror! The players are not happy) and I understand from their
facebook page, booking is required.

D#1 did say they are closing at 10.30 every night and presumably not hiring
out their hall for parties which is what usually disturbs me when I stay
there.
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Chris J Dixon
2020-07-08 09:55:46 UTC
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I haven't heard reports today but D#1 lives three doors away from Crookes
Social Club in Sheffield (featured in various TV dramas), which opened for
food recently and hit local news as having the biggest beer garden in
Sheffield. They've put well-spaced picnic tables on the bowling green
(shock, horror! The players are not happy) and I understand from their
facebook page, booking is required.
I've been to a few events there over the years. BOFE lived in a
couple of houses within walking distance during her student days.

We were up there for an event 18 months ago, and were delighted
that the nearby Jaflong Indian restaurant was still trading,
though in a larger property. Yummy!

Chris
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198kHz
2020-07-06 14:44:18 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
An epidemiologist, an ICU nurse and a scientist walked into a bar...

Just kidding.
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John Finlay
2020-07-07 10:53:23 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
An epidemiologist, an ICU nurse and a scientist walked into a bar...
Just kidding.
Not mine ... but then, I live in Leicester - plague city of the midlands.
BrritSki
2020-07-07 10:57:59 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
An epidemiologist, an ICU nurse and a scientist walked into a bar...
Just kidding.
Not mine ... but then, I live in Leicester - plague city of the midlands.
I don't think slave starts with a p or ends gue :/
krw
2020-07-07 12:29:50 UTC
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Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be
going when it does.
An epidemiologist, an ICU nurse and a scientist walked into a bar...
Just kidding.
Not mine ... but then, I live in Leicester - plague city of the midlands.
I don't think slave starts with a p or ends gue  :/
Can someone please ask the local low pay inspectors and the factory
inspectors and any other relevant body why they have not regularly been
checking up on these activities and pursued the use of the appropriate
legal channels?
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Nick Odell
2020-07-07 21:50:01 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be
going when it does.
An epidemiologist, an ICU nurse and a scientist walked into a bar...
Just kidding.
Not mine ... but then, I live in Leicester - plague city of the midlands.
I don't think slave starts with a p or ends gue  :/
Can someone please ask the local low pay inspectors and the factory
inspectors and any other relevant body why they have not regularly been
checking up on these activities and pursued the use of the appropriate
legal channels?
Well... with a little help from the ONS and a quick bit of scratching
on the back of an envelope I reckon that if the plan were to inspect
every business in the country, each company, trader, partership or
self-employed person could expect a visit once every 37 years.

I presume this is the "light touch" regulation that we are so famous
for. Instead of going out there and investigating, we wait for the low
paid, dangerously employed and possibly less than legal workforce to
blow the whistle on their employers. That ought to work well, then.

Nick
Sam Plusnet
2020-07-07 19:39:16 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
Has anyone's pub actually opened? Ours has not, though I shan't be going when it does.
An epidemiologist, an ICU nurse and a scientist walked into a bar...
Just kidding.
Not mine ... but then, I live in Leicester - plague city of the midlands.
So we have UMRA correspondents in Leicester and Melbourne.

Stay well all.
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