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Sam Plusnet
2019-08-08 23:51:11 UTC
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Help?

No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.

Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that

"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]

and

"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]

The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."

A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.

Anyone else in this situation?

Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.
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Sam Plusnet
Serena Blanchflower
2019-08-09 07:50:17 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.
I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in the
standard texting app on my android phone. If you click on the three
dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for "Messages for
Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you the
instructions for how to set it up.
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There is nothing stronger in the world than gentleness (Han Suyin)
Sam Plusnet
2019-08-09 14:14:40 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.
I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in the
standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the three
dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for "Messages for
Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you the
instructions for how to set it up.
Thanks Serena.

I was just about to say that I tried that but scanning the QR code
refused to work for me when...

It decided to work!

Isn't umra wonderful.

Three's app used to allow one to make & receive both texts and calls via
wifi.

They now offer "Wifi Calling" which does the same thing, however:

A) You have to buy a phone from Three, at the price they set. An
identical phone bought elsewhere will not do Wifi calling.

B) I am told you have to be a "Pay Monthly" customer, it's not available
to PAYG customers - even if you bought the phone from them.
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Sam Plusnet
2019-08-09 14:38:14 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.
I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in
the standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the
three dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for
"Messages for Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you
the instructions for how to set it up.
Thanks Serena.
I was just about to say that I tried that but scanning the QR code
refused to work for me when...
It decided to work!
Isn't umra wonderful.
Ah!

I've just spotted the snag in this.

Google 'Messages for Web' enables the sharing of messages between phone
and computer.
However, in order to receive a text it has to get to my phone in the
first place
and that, Dear Reader, is my problem.
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Serena Blanchflower
2019-08-09 15:19:30 UTC
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Google 'Messages for Web' enables the sharing of messages between phone
and computer.
However, in order to receive a text it has to get to my phone in the
first place
and that, Dear Reader, is my problem.
Nugger!

Oh well, it was a nice thought while it lasted...
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Best wishes, Serena
Dreaming, I dreamt that life was all joy. Waking, I found that life
demands service. Serving, I found that joy is in service.
(Rabindranath Tagore)
Serena Blanchflower
2019-08-09 15:18:31 UTC
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Three's app used to allow one to make & receive both texts and calls via
wifi.
A)  You have to buy a phone from Three, at the price they set.  An
identical phone bought elsewhere will not do Wifi calling.
B) I am told you have to be a "Pay Monthly" customer, it's not available
to PAYG customers - even if you bought the phone from them.
That's a shame. I remember the old version of the app, from when I had
a phone on Three. The fact it's no longer available for PAYG customers
is another reason not to go back to them.
--
Best wishes, Serena
Dreaming, I dreamt that life was all joy. Waking, I found that life
demands service. Serving, I found that joy is in service.
(Rabindranath Tagore)
Jenny M Benson
2019-08-09 15:48:38 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.
I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in
the standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the
three dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for
"Messages for Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you
the instructions for how to set it up.
Thanks Serena.
I was just about to say that I tried that but scanning the QR code
refused to work for me when...
It decided to work!
Isn't umra wonderful.
Isn't it, indeed?! I've just send my daughter a text using my PC!
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http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
krw
2019-08-09 15:46:50 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.
I don't have a specific app which allows this but it's an option in the
standard texting app on my android phone.  If you click on the three
dots, in your texting app, see if you have an option for "Messages for
Web" and, if so, and you click on it, it should give you the
instructions for how to set it up.
Well I have an Android phone and cannot see that option.
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Jenny M Benson
2019-08-09 16:00:15 UTC
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Well I have an Android phone and cannot see that option.
Seeing we're in an Ask EU thread and mentioning Android phobiles, may I
be forgiven a swerve? If not, look away now!

I am about to renew my contract with Vodafone and have narrowed down my
choice of upgrade to either a Huawei (1) P20 Lite or a Samsung Galaxy
A20e. With the thousands of models available now, it's quite likely
that norat has experience of either (and very likely re both) but in
general terms, would Umra favour a Samsung over a Huawei? The
possibility of Huawei losing access to Google again is a bit
off-putting, but that model has the superior camera which is a plus point.

(1) Or should that be "an Huawei"?
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http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Jenny M Benson
2019-08-09 08:15:13 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
I don't actually have your problem because I got fed up, long ago, with
having to go outside every time I wanted to use my phobile, and
installed Vodafone Sure Signal. I rather resented having to pay extra
to get a service I considered I was already paying for, but I got it on
a half-price offer and it works.
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Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Mike
2019-08-09 08:21:58 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
I don't actually have your problem because I got fed up, long ago, with
having to go outside every time I wanted to use my phobile, and
installed Vodafone Sure Signal. I rather resented having to pay extra
to get a service I considered I was already paying for, but I got it on
a half-price offer and it works.
I have noticed several of our neighbours ‘step outside’ to use their
fobiles; though our Virgin/EE and whatever else is in the ‘group of joint
tower usage’ uses, does vary from just usable to strong with little or no
moving around, I have never experienced ‘no signal’ anywhere in Toodleville
or its’ environs - not yet anyway.
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Toodle Pip
Sam Plusnet
2019-08-09 14:10:01 UTC
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I have noticed several of our neighbours ‘step outside’ to use their
fobiles; though our Virgin/EE and whatever else is in the ‘group of joint
tower usage’ uses, does vary from just usable to strong with little or no
moving around, I have never experienced ‘no signal’ anywhere in Toodleville
or its’ environs - not yet anyway.
Here in the Welsh Valleys we suffer from geography.
To get reliable coverage into every dip and fold of the landscape would
need lots & lots of extra towers, and no-one would spend the money to do
it.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-09 14:25:05 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Here in the Welsh Valleys we suffer from geography.
To get reliable coverage into every dip and fold of the landscape would
need lots & lots of extra towers, and no-one would spend the money to
do it.
And were someone to do so, there'd be objections to the towers.
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Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
Chris McMillan
2019-08-09 12:08:15 UTC
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Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.
Me. I do have a mobile but am not keen on this use of it. I’d rather do it
via email than text. I don’t use a smartphone though I’m happy with
contactless, at least I don’t want to. I certainly don’t want to be
reliant on the husband! Means I can’t go anywhere without him for a
start!!

I don’t think we’ve had the relevant letters but I know Money Box has
covered the subject.

Sincerely Chris
Sam Plusnet
2019-08-09 14:15:41 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.
Me. I do have a mobile but am not keen on this use of it. I’d rather do it
via email than text. I don’t use a smartphone though I’m happy with
contactless, at least I don’t want to. I certainly don’t want to be
reliant on the husband! Means I can’t go anywhere without him for a
start!!
I don’t think we’ve had the relevant letters but I know Money Box has
covered the subject.
I have a Co-op credit card which I use only for on-line transactions.
When they sent me a letter about this they implied that they might offer
email instead of text for some purposes.
However they later stated that, for credit card on-line purchases, they
would only allow the use of text messages.
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SODAM
2019-08-09 13:10:24 UTC
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Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.
I used to be with EE but could not get reception when staying with my
daughter, near Reading, nor when I went to a village twelve miles from home
where I do a lot of socialising. Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.

I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
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SODAM
The thinking umrat’s choice for editor
Min
2019-08-10 00:59:52 UTC
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I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
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Min
Chris McMillan
2019-08-10 11:37:56 UTC
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Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT

Sincerely Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-10 11:43:39 UTC
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Post by Min
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
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"I'm very peachable, if people know how to peach" - Sir David Attenborough (on
being asked if he was tired of being described as impeachable), on Desert
Island Discs, 2012-1-29.
Mike
2019-08-10 12:21:16 UTC
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Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
--
Toodle Pip
Mike
2019-08-10 12:23:18 UTC
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Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?
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Toodle Pip
BrritSki
2019-08-10 12:34:26 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by Min
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?
You think they haven't already ? ROFL
Mike
2019-08-10 12:38:49 UTC
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Post by Min
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?
You think they haven't already ? ROFL
Well, I don’t willingly feed them my information but am under no illusions
that they don’t extract it at any and every possible opportunity -
knowledge is power and all that.
--
Toodle Pip
BrritSki
2019-08-10 15:25:58 UTC
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Post by Mike
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?
You think they haven't already ? ROFL
Well, I don’t willingly feed them my information but am under no illusions
that they don’t extract it at any and every possible opportunity -
knowledge is power and all that.
And yet you've drunk the Apple kool-aid !
Sam Plusnet
2019-08-10 18:34:39 UTC
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Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I mean, do you really want 3rd. parties having total access to your
contacts plus other poisonal data?
Well quite.

As this thread started because banks and credit card companies are
supposed to be _improving_ security by adopting Two Factor
Authentication, it should only be expected that it would result in many
people having to hand over all their data to a third party - only to
have it stolen in the next data breach scandal.
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Vicky Ayech
2019-08-10 16:23:09 UTC
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I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I haven't any iphone/tablet things. The rest of the family do and
friends too and keep trying to contact me on them but I just skype. No
aps really except the WW one to check points of food.
Sam Plusnet
2019-08-10 18:39:06 UTC
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Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
Much to the bewilderment of most of my friends, I refuse to install
WhatsApp (I'm allergic to the name!) and I believe it is going to
be charged for from Next Year. You may wish to check.
YANAOU, meet Mr McT
Sincerely Chris
I too find the name - and what it implies - not for me. Sounds - and I'm
sure is meant to - like it's trying to be "down with the boyz" or
something like that.
As I use an iPhone and iPads,they are linked so I can write text, email and
iMessages on either device format and send via wiffy or phone network as
appropriate; my bank messages arrive on both phone and tablet formats and I
find this quite elegant and easy to get on with. My sisters wanted me to
use ‘What’s App’ but I found it unfriendly, clumsy and too much of the
‘let’s have all your data so we own you’ type of thing, they like it
because of the poor network coverage in Zummerzet as per the original
subject of this thread.
I haven't any iphone/tablet things. The rest of the family do and
friends too and keep trying to contact me on them but I just skype. No
aps really except the WW one to check points of food.
Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other day
it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.

I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-10 20:27:20 UTC
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Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other day
it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?
Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).

Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.
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than parts of modern York. - David Olusoga, RT 2016/11/5-11
Anne B
2019-08-11 18:26:18 UTC
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Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other
day it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?
Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).
Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.
I don't have one of these smart phobile moan thingies but I have a
tablet. It had an app for 'cleaning up' unwanted stuff. I used it (the
tablet) today for the first time in yonks and it had over a gigabyte of
stuff to be cleaned up. No idea what the junk was or where it came from.

Anne B
Flop
2019-08-12 08:32:54 UTC
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Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other
day it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?
Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).
Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.
I don't have one of these smart phobile moan thingies but I have a
tablet. It had an app for 'cleaning up' unwanted stuff. I used it (the
tablet) today for the first time in yonks and it had over a gigabyte of
stuff to be cleaned up. No idea what the junk was or where it came from.
Anne B
Apps. Your phone will have a lot of apps just to run the phone. Eg there
will be an app to tell you haw many apps you have.

-

Running or loading programs often leaves debris behind "in case it is
needed".

So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.
--
Flop

Truly the Good Lord gave us computers that we might learn patience
Mike
2019-08-12 08:51:04 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Re Apps.
I don't use my phobile moan very much, but when I checked the other
day it informed me that it has 71 apps on it.
I don't do 'social media' nor any financial stuff on my phone, I don't
do games, so where did that lot come from?
Some will have come with the 'phone; some might have been added by
online upgrades (I think).
Presumably there is some mechanism on the 'phone itself to go through
them and delete any you don't want.
I don't have one of these smart phobile moan thingies but I have a
tablet. It had an app for 'cleaning up' unwanted stuff. I used it (the
tablet) today for the first time in yonks and it had over a gigabyte of
stuff to be cleaned up. No idea what the junk was or where it came from.
Anne B
Apps. Your phone will have a lot of apps just to run the phone. Eg there
will be an app to tell you haw many apps you have.
-
Running or loading programs often leaves debris behind "in case it is
needed".
So installing an update means storing the old program (in case the
update doesnt work) and then not knowing when it is no longer needed.
And abandoning it as a temp file.
And of course, there is an app. to remove apps. (Or more likely just hide
them really).
--
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Fenny
2019-08-10 21:21:48 UTC
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Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
--
Fenny
Dumrat
2019-08-11 16:47:45 UTC
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Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
--
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Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Dumrat
Mike
2019-08-11 16:50:29 UTC
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Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
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Jenny M Benson
2019-08-11 16:59:44 UTC
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Post by Dumrat
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Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
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http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Mike
2019-08-11 17:28:22 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Dumrat
Post by Fenny
Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
Still whoosh!
--
Toodle Pip
Serena Blanchflower
2019-08-11 17:44:49 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Dumrat
Post by Fenny
Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
Still whoosh!
Sometimes known as Virtual private network
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Best wishes, Serena
All people smile in the same language.
Mike
2019-08-11 17:51:35 UTC
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Post by Mike
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Post by Mike
Post by Dumrat
Post by Fenny
Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us,
in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she
calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to
her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I
hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no
communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
Still whoosh!
Sometimes known as Virtual private network
Ah! Light Dawns!
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Toodle Pip
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-11 19:53:23 UTC
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Post by Dumrat
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Mike
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Mike
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
Still whoosh!
Sometimes known as Virtual private network
Ah! Light Dawns!
I did work it out - but I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds " "
makes me think of that!
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-11 20:03:46 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Dumrat
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty
Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Mike
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Mike
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
Still whoosh!
Sometimes known as Virtual private network
Ah! Light Dawns!
I did work it out - but I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds " "
makes me think of that!
Dratted spell checker ... I had "VPx". My 'checker substitutes blank for
things it has no suggestion for, if I just accidentally click (or more
likely space) through.
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Dumrat
2019-08-12 06:54:46 UTC
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(*And*  we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.)
‘Visible Panty Line’ ???
I think Dumrat mean Visible Panty Nickers!
Thank you for the translation, Jenny, I knew there was something wrong but just couldn't
correct it properly!
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Salaam Alaykum,
Anne, Exceptionally Traditionally-built Dumrat
Vicky Ayech
2019-08-11 16:58:18 UTC
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Post by SODAM
Changed to Sky (which uses the O2 network)
and have had no problems since.
I used to have problems with reception with 3, switched to Plusnet
(O2) and it's better. I wouldn't say I never have reception problems
now, but it's definitely better.
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
My kids mostly ignore my emails and texts unless #1 daughter is
disucssing my childminding or #2 relents and sends pictures.
Penny
2019-08-11 20:15:47 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Dumrat
Post by Fenny
Post by SODAM
I find WhatsApp quite good for making (free) phone calls over WiFi and it
was free to download.
And owned by Facebook, so I refuse to have anything to do with it.
It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
(*And* we have to use a Visible Panty Line, or somesuch, before we can connect to the
outside world from here.) She can't use Skype any more, for some reason (I think the
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
she says, so if we ever want to talk to her, WhatsApp it is. There is no question of her
having a landline, at all! But she just texts on WA anyway, mostly. I hate having to use
it but if it is a choice between that or no communication whatsoever, I prefer WA!
My kids mostly ignore my emails and texts unless #1 daughter is
disucssing my childminding or #2 relents and sends pictures.
Mine use Facebook messenger where we communicate as a group or individually
depending on the subject. It works pretty well since they are both almost
constantly attached to their phobiles and I am seldom far from my 'puter.
We do occasionally communicate by phone - with d#1 usually phoning me as
she walks to or from work, or nurses her little one.
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-11 20:35:55 UTC
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It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us, in the Middle East.
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Post by Dumrat
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she calls us or vice versa,
Does she mean it costs _her_ so much, or is she worried about what it's
costing _you_? If the former, I find it difficult to believe there isn't
_some_ tariff available that allows someone here to _receive_ calls from
Dubai without great expense.
[]
Post by Penny
We do occasionally communicate by phone - with d#1 usually phoning me as
she walks to or from work, or nurses her little one.
Is there an app for that ... (-:
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Mike
2019-08-11 20:53:01 UTC
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It is the only way our dorter, in England, will communicate with us,
in the Middle East.
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Post by Dumrat
latest update ate all her contacts, or something), and she refuses to use an actual
phobile moan to talk to us because it costs so much, whether she
calls us or vice versa,
Does she mean it costs _her_ so much, or is she worried about what it's
costing _you_? If the former, I find it difficult to believe there isn't
_some_ tariff available that allows someone here to _receive_ calls from
Dubai without great expense.
[]
Post by Penny
We do occasionally communicate by phone - with d#1 usually phoning me as
she walks to or from work, or nurses her little one.
Are you thinking of You Boob?
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Toodle Pip
Joe Kerr
2019-08-09 14:08:02 UTC
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Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the garden,
or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or so) and
hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone whilst
13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor Authentication.
I haven't bothered to read the emails from the banks yet. However, as I
understand it the lack of a mobile (signal) can be circumvented by the
bank calling you on your landline (which has limitations) or by
installing the bank's app on your smartphone (which seems like a bit of
a security risk).

BT has an app for calls over wifi. Three may have dropped theirs because
I think (I use the term loosely) that the ability is built in to the
latest version of android, or something of that nature, and a separate
app is not needed.
--
Ric
Sam Plusnet
2019-08-09 14:47:50 UTC
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Help?
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
Wofe and I have both responded & pointed out that
"I don't have a mobile phone." [Wofe]
and
"I have a phone, but cannot get a signal in this house (nor the
garden, or outside the garden unless I wander up the road 50 yards or
so) and hence can't receive your text." [Me]
The response (though couched in corporate-speak) seems to be "Shame
about that."
A Which??? survey of its members said that 4% didn't have a phone
whilst 13% had a poor or no signal at home.
Anyone else in this situation?
Incidently Three used to have an "app" which allowed you to make &
receive calls and texts via your home wifi/internet - but they have
deleted this app just before the introduction of Two Factor
Authentication.
I haven't bothered to read the emails from the banks yet. However, as I
understand it the lack of a mobile (signal) can be circumvented by the
bank calling you on your landline (which has limitations) or by
installing the bank's app on your smartphone (which seems like a bit of
a security risk).
BT has an app for calls over wifi. Three may have dropped theirs because
I think (I use the term loosely) that the ability is built in to the
latest version of android, or something of that nature, and a separate
app is not needed.
That is indeed what Three said, but there's rather more to it.

"Wifi Calling" is built into later versions of android, but there seems
to be an agreement between google and phone networks that the switch
which turns it on is hidden - except on phones sold by the network.

Even if you had such a phone, and you could turn Wifi Calling on, your
network chooses which customers can make (& receive) such calls.

If I understand what Three have told me, I would have to buy a suitable
phone from them AND take out a monthly contract before I can use this
facility which used to be freely available.
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Sam Plusnet
Serena Blanchflower
2019-08-10 13:34:16 UTC
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No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
go at getting a sensible answer out of them:

<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>
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Best wishes, Serena
Be always at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let
each new year find you a better man. (Benjamin Franklin)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-10 13:57:56 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the fobile
turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For normal card
use in shops etc., I understand contactless will continue, though you'll
be asked for PIN some combination of every five uses and every 100 or
150 pounds total.
Post by Serena Blanchflower
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-
code-use-card-online-year.html>
Thanks, interesting article.

I wonder what they'll do for a customer whose fobile number and email
they do not have, and who has not responded to any of their letters, the
first time they need authentication? They can't send them a text or
email ...
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Sam Plusnet
2019-08-10 18:52:05 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order
to  do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the fobile
turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For normal card
use in shops etc., I understand contactless will continue, though you'll
be asked for PIN some combination of every five uses and every 100 or
150 pounds total.
Agreed my concern is about on-line purchases, in person transactions
shouldn't change much.
My credit card provider said that they wouldn't use email for cardholder
not present transactions, only text - which is where the problem comes in.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Serena Blanchflower
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available.  It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-
code-use-card-online-year.html>
Thanks, interesting article.
Agreed, but what I've so far managed to get from the financial
institutions that I deal with is rather less user friendly.
We shall find out in September.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I wonder what they'll do for a customer whose fobile number and email
they do not have, and who has not responded to any of their letters, the
first time they need authentication? They can't send them a text or
email ...
In that case the transaction will not go through. That leaves the ball
in the customer's court.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-08-10 20:36:53 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the
fobile turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For
normal card use in shops etc., I understand contactless will
continue, though you'll be asked for PIN some combination of every
five uses and every 100 or 150 pounds total.
Agreed my concern is about on-line purchases, in person transactions
shouldn't change much.
My credit card provider said that they wouldn't use email for
cardholder not present transactions, only text - which is where the
problem comes in.
Sounds like a valid reason to change provider. Mine's co-op Visa for
credit, and First Direct for debit; I can only remember getting - and
dealing with - one communication; I hope it was the credit card, as I
don't remember ever using the debit card!
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Sam Plusnet
2019-08-11 19:07:05 UTC
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 I think it's mainly _online_ use. (I've elected email, since if I'm
online shopping I'm using the computer anyway - I rarely have the
fobile  turned on, and often get confused dealing with texts.) For
normal card  use in shops etc., I understand contactless will
continue, though you'll  be asked for PIN some combination of every
five uses and every 100 or  150 pounds total.
Agreed my concern is about on-line purchases, in person transactions
shouldn't change much.
My credit card provider said that they wouldn't use email for
cardholder not present transactions, only text - which is where the
problem comes in.
Sounds like a valid reason to change provider. Mine's co-op Visa for
credit,
<snip>

Care to guess which credit card company I've been dealing with?

However, they're all acting under the same compulsion so don't be too
surprised if they adopt much the same procedures.
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Fenny
2019-08-10 21:29:59 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>
Wow, if it applies to in person transactions, a lot of older people
are going to have issues.
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Penny
2019-08-11 08:09:32 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
Post by Fenny
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:34:16 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>
Wow, if it applies to in person transactions, a lot of older people
are going to have issues.
I think it's just online but the mugger who nicks both card and phone will
have no problem stealing your money in online transactions.
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Sam Plusnet
2019-08-11 19:08:08 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:34:16 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Sam Plusnet
No doubt otherrats are being informed by their banks and credit card
providers that Two Factor Authentication is nigh, and that, in order to
do pretty much anything, you will receive a one time code via text.
According to this article, all the banks should have a variety of
methods of authentication available. It could be worth having another
<https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-6012549/Shoppers-soon-need-code-use-card-online-year.html>
Wow, if it applies to in person transactions, a lot of older people
are going to have issues.
I think it's just online but the mugger who nicks both card and phone will
have no problem stealing your money in online transactions.
Easier for them than me, if they get a good phone signal.
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Sam Plusnet
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