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Mike
2020-06-08 12:24:56 UTC
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As and When Covid-19 has been dealt with, we are likely to have many
businesses who are in financial problems and possibly shutting down. The
future needs of the global market is unlikely to disappear as we all
continue to need feeding, housing, transporting, entertaining, governing,
policing, caring for etc.... those services will still be needed just as
before. I wonder if businesses and services etc. will be rekindled from the
ashes, there will be debts but probably no way to pay them off in a short
time so; long term low interest financing is the most probable scenario in
my opinion - perhaps if ‘Phoenix business’ isn’t the solution, are there
likely to be masses of people starting new enterprises - possibly ‘taking
over’ existing but now defunct businesses?

Discuss...
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-08 12:56:08 UTC
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As and When Covid-19 has been dealt with, we are likely to have many
businesses who are in financial problems and possibly shutting down. The
future needs of the global market is unlikely to disappear as we all
continue to need feeding, housing, transporting, entertaining, governing,
policing, caring for etc.... those services will still be needed just as
before. I wonder if businesses and services etc. will be rekindled from the
ashes, there will be debts but probably no way to pay them off in a short
time so; long term low interest financing is the most probable scenario in
my opinion - perhaps if ‘Phoenix business’ isn’t the solution, are there
likely to be masses of people starting new enterprises - possibly ‘taking
over’ existing but now defunct businesses?
Discuss...
I don't think the world was in a good place before the virus.
Governments were pouring a lot of money into various firms and the
economy but that was a debt that would have to be paid. We needed a
reset. Perhaps this is it.
krw
2020-06-08 15:15:49 UTC
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Post by Mike
As and When Covid-19 has been dealt with, we are likely to have many
businesses who are in financial problems and possibly shutting down. The
future needs of the global market is unlikely to disappear as we all
continue to need feeding, housing, transporting, entertaining, governing,
policing, caring for etc.... those services will still be needed just as
before. I wonder if businesses and services etc. will be rekindled from the
ashes, there will be debts but probably no way to pay them off in a short
time so; long term low interest financing is the most probable scenario in
my opinion - perhaps if ‘Phoenix business’ isn’t the solution, are there
likely to be masses of people starting new enterprises - possibly ‘taking
over’ existing but now defunct businesses?
Discuss...
I don't think the world was in a good place before the virus.
Governments were pouring a lot of money into various firms and the
economy but that was a debt that would have to be paid. We needed a
reset. Perhaps this is it.
One inevitable impact of the lockdown will, in my view, a demonstration
that retail which drove the economy from Thatcher till now is "dead".
In the 80s onward the economy was no longer powered by heavy industry -
coal, steel, car manufacturing (although that made a come back), heavy
rail manufacturing, oil rig building and so on. Instead retail powered
the economy and it was this - with building out of town retail parks,
huge supermarkets and many shopping centres has killed off the smaller
traditional retailer. Those large shops contributed huge amounts of
rates to councils and rent to landowners. "Going shopping" seemed (but
probably not in umra) to be an obsession. Alongside this was eating out
- be it humble McDs through to the many many upmarket Michelin
restaurants.

Moving from 6 day a week opening to 7 was pursued to extend the retail
reach and the money it generated.

Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want? Will the food areas see many
customers?

I want some new sandals but frankly can probably order something online
that will do the job - why bother to catch the train to somewhere and
get tired legs when it can be delivered?

I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.

Nor have the rioters obviously.
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-08 16:29:30 UTC
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I want some new sandals
IRTA scandals :).
I thought you must be bored with lockdown and not relaxing it yet and
so want to enjoy some more interesting news.
Chris McMillan
2020-06-10 10:45:52 UTC
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Post by Mike
As and When Covid-19 has been dealt with, we are likely to have many
businesses who are in financial problems and possibly shutting down. The
future needs of the global market is unlikely to disappear as we all
continue to need feeding, housing, transporting, entertaining, governing,
policing, caring for etc.... those services will still be needed just as
before. I wonder if businesses and services etc. will be rekindled from the
ashes, there will be debts but probably no way to pay them off in a short
time so; long term low interest financing is the most probable scenario in
my opinion - perhaps if ‘Phoenix business’ isn’t the solution, are there
likely to be masses of people starting new enterprises - possibly ‘taking
over’ existing but now defunct businesses?
Discuss...
I don't think the world was in a good place before the virus.
Governments were pouring a lot of money into various firms and the
economy but that was a debt that would have to be paid. We needed a
reset. Perhaps this is it.
One inevitable impact of the lockdown will, in my view, a demonstration
that retail which drove the economy from Thatcher till now is "dead".
In the 80s onward the economy was no longer powered by heavy industry -
coal, steel, car manufacturing (although that made a come back), heavy
rail manufacturing, oil rig building and so on. Instead retail powered
the economy and it was this - with building out of town retail parks,
huge supermarkets and many shopping centres has killed off the smaller
traditional retailer. Those large shops contributed huge amounts of
rates to councils and rent to landowners. "Going shopping" seemed (but
probably not in umra) to be an obsession. Alongside this was eating out
- be it humble McDs through to the many many upmarket Michelin
restaurants.
Moving from 6 day a week opening to 7 was pursued to extend the retail
reach and the money it generated.
Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want? Will the food areas see many
customers?
I want some new sandals but frankly can probably order something online
that will do the job - why bother to catch the train to somewhere and
get tired legs when it can be delivered?
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have the rioters obviously.
I thought you and Amazon would be best friends, KRW? :)

Sincerely Chris
krw
2020-06-10 11:22:32 UTC
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I thought you and Amazon would be best friends, KRW?
If I can source from another supplier I do so.
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Kate B
2020-06-10 15:28:56 UTC
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Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want?  Will the food areas see many
customers?
Personally, although I don't enjoy shopping much, I am not managing with
deliveries either. Too often the supermarkets (I have alternate weeklies
with Sainsburys and Tesco) simply don't have what I want or it is
ridiculously expensive and I know I can get better quality and cheaper
from a local shop or market or Lidl. I also hate having to buy
everything for the week ahead, where I used to walk down the hill nearly
every day (and up again which was very good for me) and get exactly what
I wanted, fresh and in the right quantities.

And food is precisely where my problems are right now - I do get a lot
of things online, for example I have difficult feet but I know a brand
that usually fits me and those I always order online because they have
no shops nearby; or underwear or vitamins or odd stuff for which there
are no local shops. In the future I might well do an online shop once a
month for heavy stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food
shopping, and indeed, resume trawling round several shops to find the
best stuff.
Post by krw
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have they even thought about the viability of small shops if there
is no curfew at all on the big ones. You'd have thought Not-so-Priti
might have put a word in for her parents' chain of small shops.
Post by krw
Nor have the rioters obviously.
This I don't understand.
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Mike
2020-06-10 16:03:48 UTC
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Post by krw
Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want?  Will the food areas see many
customers?
Personally, although I don't enjoy shopping much, I am not managing with
deliveries either. Too often the supermarkets (I have alternate weeklies
with Sainsburys and Tesco) simply don't have what I want or it is
ridiculously expensive and I know I can get better quality and cheaper
from a local shop or market or Lidl. I also hate having to buy
everything for the week ahead, where I used to walk down the hill nearly
every day (and up again which was very good for me) and get exactly what
I wanted, fresh and in the right quantities.
And food is precisely where my problems are right now - I do get a lot
of things online, for example I have difficult feet but I know a brand
that usually fits me and those I always order online because they have
no shops nearby; or underwear or vitamins or odd stuff for which there
are no local shops. In the future I might well do an online shop once a
month for heavy stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food
shopping, and indeed, resume trawling round several shops to find the
best stuff.
Post by krw
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have they even thought about the viability of small shops if there
is no curfew at all on the big ones. You'd have thought Not-so-Priti
might have put a word in for her parents' chain of small shops.
Post by krw
Nor have the rioters obviously.
This I don't understand.
Our main reason to shop at Iceland is to replenish stocks of frozen smoked
haddock - but this has been o/s for weeks now so making an order for
delivery( £35 ) has been impractical. We have been making priority delivery
orders with Mr. Tesco for some weeks now but, as you say Kate, stocking
fresh veg and fruit for a week at a time is not ideal. Our orders for
mainly veg and fruit are also somewhat irksome as to spend £40 on v&f for
two per week takes some doing!
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Nick Odell
2020-06-10 22:59:43 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by krw
Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want?  Will the food areas see many
customers?
Personally, although I don't enjoy shopping much, I am not managing with
deliveries either. Too often the supermarkets (I have alternate weeklies
with Sainsburys and Tesco) simply don't have what I want or it is
ridiculously expensive and I know I can get better quality and cheaper
from a local shop or market or Lidl. I also hate having to buy
everything for the week ahead, where I used to walk down the hill nearly
every day (and up again which was very good for me) and get exactly what
I wanted, fresh and in the right quantities.
And food is precisely where my problems are right now - I do get a lot
of things online, for example I have difficult feet but I know a brand
that usually fits me and those I always order online because they have
no shops nearby; or underwear or vitamins or odd stuff for which there
are no local shops. In the future I might well do an online shop once a
month for heavy stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food
shopping, and indeed, resume trawling round several shops to find the
best stuff.
Post by krw
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have they even thought about the viability of small shops if there
is no curfew at all on the big ones. You'd have thought Not-so-Priti
might have put a word in for her parents' chain of small shops.
Post by krw
Nor have the rioters obviously.
This I don't understand.
Our main reason to shop at Iceland is to replenish stocks of frozen smoked
haddock - but this has been o/s for weeks now so making an order for
delivery( £35 ) has been impractical. We have been making priority delivery
orders with Mr. Tesco for some weeks now but, as you say Kate, stocking
fresh veg and fruit for a week at a time is not ideal. Our orders for
mainly veg and fruit are also somewhat irksome as to spend £40 on v&f for
two per week takes some doing!
Dunno if this is what you are already doing, Mike, but we have changed
our choice of vegetables based on their keeping ability and altered
our eating patterns accordingly. For example, we eat salad in some
form at least once per day but have not bought a lettuce for months.

Today for lunch we had a tuna salad sandwich based on a seedy
wholemeal loaf I baked the night before, red and white cabbage leaves
for crunchiness, a selection of home-pickled vegetables and some tuna.
The latter came from a tin, unfortunately: the Rio de la Plata is not
renown for its tuna fisheries.

Nick
Mike
2020-06-11 07:41:19 UTC
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Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want?  Will the food areas see many
customers?
Personally, although I don't enjoy shopping much, I am not managing with
deliveries either. Too often the supermarkets (I have alternate weeklies
with Sainsburys and Tesco) simply don't have what I want or it is
ridiculously expensive and I know I can get better quality and cheaper
from a local shop or market or Lidl. I also hate having to buy
everything for the week ahead, where I used to walk down the hill nearly
every day (and up again which was very good for me) and get exactly what
I wanted, fresh and in the right quantities.
And food is precisely where my problems are right now - I do get a lot
of things online, for example I have difficult feet but I know a brand
that usually fits me and those I always order online because they have
no shops nearby; or underwear or vitamins or odd stuff for which there
are no local shops. In the future I might well do an online shop once a
month for heavy stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food
shopping, and indeed, resume trawling round several shops to find the
best stuff.
Post by krw
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have they even thought about the viability of small shops if there
is no curfew at all on the big ones. You'd have thought Not-so-Priti
might have put a word in for her parents' chain of small shops.
Post by krw
Nor have the rioters obviously.
This I don't understand.
Our main reason to shop at Iceland is to replenish stocks of frozen smoked
haddock - but this has been o/s for weeks now so making an order for
delivery( £35 ) has been impractical. We have been making priority delivery
orders with Mr. Tesco for some weeks now but, as you say Kate, stocking
fresh veg and fruit for a week at a time is not ideal. Our orders for
mainly veg and fruit are also somewhat irksome as to spend £40 on v&f for
two per week takes some doing!
Dunno if this is what you are already doing, Mike, but we have changed
our choice of vegetables based on their keeping ability and altered
our eating patterns accordingly. For example, we eat salad in some
form at least once per day but have not bought a lettuce for months.
Today for lunch we had a tuna salad sandwich based on a seedy
wholemeal loaf I baked the night before, red and white cabbage leaves
for crunchiness, a selection of home-pickled vegetables and some tuna.
The latter came from a tin, unfortunately: the Rio de la Plata is not
renown for its tuna fisheries.
Nick
We find Romaine lettuce hearts keep very well so chop these up and consume
with sweet peppers (which will keep well in our ‘fridge for a week)
cucumber, (usually good for at least 5 days) tommyatoes which also keep
reasonably well but we just need our greenhouse crop to ripen now, home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal. Tescos have provided some very good large sprung inions the last
few weeks too!
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Jenny M Benson
2020-06-11 09:36:17 UTC
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home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
Sharwood's Mango Chutney, which is my all-time best favourite, is not
always available either. In my latest order I substituted Asda's own
Mango, Apple & Ginger which sounds appetising, but I haven't tried it yet.
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Wrexham, UK
Jim Easterbrook
2020-06-11 09:45:27 UTC
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home made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee
complete the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
I bought two 16 kg bags (one each of white and wholemeal) online which
will keep me going for a while.
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Mike
2020-06-11 10:42:05 UTC
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Post by Mike
home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
Sharwood's Mango Chutney, which is my all-time best favourite, is not
always available either. In my latest order I substituted Asda's own
Mango, Apple & Ginger which sounds appetising, but I haven't tried it yet.
I won’t bore you with the details but, just by chance in February, I gave
up trying to buy strong white, I did find the same with ‘Cotswold Crunch’
flour but then, one day, Amazon informed me they had a 16 kilo bag which I
snapped up and am still using. White strong has been far more difficult but
managed to obtain our current needs via several sources and helpful
neighbours.
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Tony Bryer
2020-06-11 10:48:36 UTC
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You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
It's been the same here. It rather cheered me up to know that a lot
more people than I realised were still capable of cooking from scratch.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-11 16:23:23 UTC
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You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
It's been the same here. It rather cheered me up to know that a lot
Yes, I've been surprised how many are (apparently) making bread, and
doing other things you use flour for.
Post by Tony Bryer
more people than I realised were still capable of cooking from scratch.
(The supply of scratch seems to be holding up.)
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There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want.
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Mike
2020-06-11 16:27:24 UTC
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You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
It's been the same here. It rather cheered me up to know that a lot
Yes, I've been surprised how many are (apparently) making bread, and
doing other things you use flour for.
Post by Tony Bryer
more people than I realised were still capable of cooking from scratch.
(The supply of scratch seems to be holding up.)
Pork maybe?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-11 16:41:14 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Yes, I've been surprised how many are (apparently) making bread, and
doing other things you use flour for.
I forgot to say, I've no idea of what I'd use corn for: I have about
half a 250g box of corn flour - yes, two words - but absolutely no
memory of what I bought it for. I see no date on it; from the oval Tesco
logo, I think it predates such dates being universal.
Post by Mike
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Tony Bryer
more people than I realised were still capable of cooking from scratch.
(The supply of scratch seems to be holding up.)
Pork maybe?
Humph. Don't talk to me about pork scratchings. I can only find them in
tiny packets; not only does that make them quite expensive, but very
tedious to deal with. There used to be a shop in Shields Road, Byker
(Newcastle), part of the Food Weighhouse (I think that' right) chain,
that sold all sorts of things loose by weight - not just food; raisins,
flours, washing powders, salt, sweets, lots of household substances -
from tubs; but she shut. (I used to buy big bags of scratchings, to my
friends' disgust.) There's another branch in the Grainger Market in
town, but they've never sold the scratchings. I did email the company,
but never got a reply.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want.
CALVIN AND HOBBES, according to a @qikipedia tweet 2019-9-9.
Sam Plusnet
2020-06-11 22:53:22 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
It's been the same here. It rather cheered me up to know that a lot
more people than I realised were still capable of cooking from scratch.
Making bread doesn't really involve scratch these days[1].
It's more a case of weighing the ingredients as per the recipe, and then
hitting the right buttons (in the right order) on the bread-maker.

P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.

[1] This is certainly true, since even I can manage to turn out an
edible loaf.
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Chris J Dixon
2020-06-12 07:36:39 UTC
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Making bread doesn't really involve scratch these days[1].
It's more a case of weighing the ingredients as per the recipe, and then
hitting the right buttons (in the right order) on the bread-maker.
P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
I also set a separate timer so that I can sprinkle a few seeds on
the top to decorate the crust, even though many of them fall off
when the loaf is transferred to the cooling rack. At least I get
to trough a few warm toasted seeds. ;-)

Chris
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Mike
2020-06-12 07:50:39 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Making bread doesn't really involve scratch these days[1].
It's more a case of weighing the ingredients as per the recipe, and then
hitting the right buttons (in the right order) on the bread-maker.
P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
I also set a separate timer so that I can sprinkle a few seeds on
the top to decorate the crust, even though many of them fall off
when the loaf is transferred to the cooling rack. At least I get
to trough a few warm toasted seeds. ;-)
Chris
:-)))
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Mike
2020-06-12 07:50:38 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
It's been the same here. It rather cheered me up to know that a lot
more people than I realised were still capable of cooking from scratch.
Making bread doesn't really involve scratch these days[1].
It's more a case of weighing the ingredients as per the recipe, and then
hitting the right buttons (in the right order) on the bread-maker.
P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
[1] This is certainly true, since even I can manage to turn out an
edible loaf.
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall and
into the living room!
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Nick Odell
2020-06-12 17:53:09 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
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Post by Mike
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall and
into the living room!
Speaking as someone for whom the piano keyboard increasingly sounds
like do, re, mi, fa, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, may I ask you, Sam,
if you have seen an audiologist recently?

Nick
Sam Plusnet
2020-06-12 21:36:34 UTC
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P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
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Post by Mike
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall and
into the living room!
Speaking as someone for whom the piano keyboard increasingly sounds
like do, re, mi, fa, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, may I ask you, Sam,
if you have seen an audiologist recently?
None that I have recognised as an audiologist, but who can tell about
the lives of passers-by? [1]
My hearing is... OK - rather than 'perfect'.

However, this particular machine, when compared to every other

"machine that goes 'PING!"

that seem legion in this household, does indeed have the most weedy
sound effect I have ever encountered.

[1] Not that I have been 'passed-by' in the last 3 months.
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Nick Odell
2020-06-13 01:09:06 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Sam Plusnet
P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
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Post by Mike
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall and
into the living room!
Speaking as someone for whom the piano keyboard increasingly sounds
like do, re, mi, fa, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, may I ask you, Sam,
if you have seen an audiologist recently?
None that I have recognised as an audiologist, but who can tell about
the lives of passers-by? [1]
My hearing is... OK - rather than 'perfect'.
However, this particular machine, when compared to every other
"machine that goes 'PING!"
that seem legion in this household, does indeed have the most weedy
sound effect I have ever encountered.
[1] Not that I have been 'passed-by' in the last 3 months.
That is good to know.

Having been one of those annoying teenagers who complained to their
parents about the high pitched whistle from the new 625 line
television set - a whistle at 15.625KHz(1) that neither of my parents
could hear for themselves - I now find most of the upper octave of a
piano is completely lost to me. Berloimey - that knocks it down to
about 3KHz! On a good day.

Nick
(1)or cps as we used to call it in those days
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-13 00:43:48 UTC
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Having been one of those annoying teenagers who complained to their
parents about the high pitched whistle from the new 625 line
television set - a whistle at 15.625KHz(1) that neither of my parents
could hear for themselves - I now find most of the upper octave of a
If that bugged you, then the older 405 line set at 10.125 kc/s must have
driven you nuts; they were less tightly assembled, too, so often louder.
Post by Nick Odell
piano is completely lost to me. Berloimey - that knocks it down to
about 3KHz! On a good day.
Wow! I know mine's losing its top, but I think it's still above 8-10
kHz.
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Nick
(1)or cps as we used to call it in those days
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
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Nick Odell
2020-06-13 04:43:04 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Having been one of those annoying teenagers who complained to their
parents about the high pitched whistle from the new 625 line
television set - a whistle at 15.625KHz(1) that neither of my parents
could hear for themselves - I now find most of the upper octave of a
If that bugged you, then the older 405 line set at 10.125 kc/s must have
driven you nuts; they were less tightly assembled, too, so often louder.
Post by Nick Odell
piano is completely lost to me. Berloimey - that knocks it down to
about 3KHz! On a good day.
Wow! I know mine's losing its top, but I think it's still above 8-10
kHz.
Post by Nick Odell
Nick
(1)or cps as we used to call it in those days
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
That is right: degrees Kelvin per second. What else did you think I
meant?

Nick
Mike
2020-06-13 08:14:00 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Having been one of those annoying teenagers who complained to their
parents about the high pitched whistle from the new 625 line
television set - a whistle at 15.625KHz(1) that neither of my parents
could hear for themselves - I now find most of the upper octave of a
If that bugged you, then the older 405 line set at 10.125 kc/s must have
driven you nuts; they were less tightly assembled, too, so often louder.
Post by Nick Odell
piano is completely lost to me. Berloimey - that knocks it down to
about 3KHz! On a good day.
Wow! I know mine's losing its top, but I think it's still above 8-10
kHz.
Post by Nick Odell
Nick
(1)or cps as we used to call it in those days
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
That is right: degrees Kelvin per second. What else did you think I
meant?
Nick
Per cubic centi acre of course...
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Sid Nuncius
2020-06-13 08:55:47 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
That is right: degrees Kelvin per second. What else did you think I
meant?
Per cubic centi acre of course...
I've probably mentioned here before that I still remember that the units
of the diffusion coefficient are m^2/s because the lecturer who taught
me about it added "...or, if you want to be relentlessly British, acres
per fortnight".
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Jim Easterbrook
2020-06-13 09:43:43 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
That is right: degrees Kelvin per second. What else did you think I
meant?
Per cubic centi acre of course...
I've probably mentioned here before that I still remember that the units
of the diffusion coefficient are m^2/s because the lecturer who taught
me about it added "...or, if you want to be relentlessly British, acres
per fortnight".
I'm sure I was told the same about kinematic viscosity in a fluid
mechanics lecture.

According to Google, 1 acre/fortnight = 0.00334561543 m^2/s.
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2020-06-13 13:11:36 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
That is right: degrees Kelvin per second. What else did you think I
meant?
Per cubic centi acre of course...
I've probably mentioned here before that I still remember that the units
of the diffusion coefficient are m^2/s because the lecturer who taught
me about it added "...or, if you want to be relentlessly British, acres
per fortnight".
I'm sure I was told the same about kinematic viscosity in a fluid
mechanics lecture.
According to Google, 1 acre/fortnight = 0.00334561543 m^2/s.
I tried to popularise a system of units based on the furlong, slug,
fortnight and degree regulo.

john
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2020-06-13 14:38:24 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I notice the spellchecker (or something) has amended your kHz to KHz.
That is right: degrees Kelvin per second. What else did you think I
meant?
Per cubic centi acre of course...
I've probably mentioned here before that I still remember that the units
of the diffusion coefficient are m^2/s because the lecturer who taught
me about it added "...or, if you want to be relentlessly British, acres
per fortnight".
I'm sure I was told the same about kinematic viscosity in a fluid
mechanics lecture.
According to Google, 1 acre/fortnight = 0.00334561543 m^2/s.
I tried to popularise a system of units based on the furlong, slug,
fortnight and degree regulo.
john
There’s a pocket version of that system ( the ‘PI’, standing for Pocket
Internationale) which is based on:
Chain, ant, week end and hand warmer.
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steveski
2020-06-12 22:30:59 UTC
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P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion,
inaudible if you are more than 18 inches away.
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Post by Mike
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall
and into the living room!
Speaking as someone for whom the piano keyboard increasingly sounds
like do, re, mi, fa, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, may I ask you, Sam,
if you have seen an audiologist recently?
None that I have recognised as an audiologist, but who can tell about
the lives of passers-by? [1]
My hearing is... OK - rather than 'perfect'.
However, this particular machine, when compared to every other
"machine that goes 'PING!"
Was it the most expensive machine in the hospital?

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Mike
2020-06-13 08:08:07 UTC
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P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
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Post by Mike
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall and
into the living room!
Speaking as someone for whom the piano keyboard increasingly sounds
like do, re, mi, fa, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, may I ask you, Sam,
if you have seen an audiologist recently?
None that I have recognised as an audiologist, but who can tell about
the lives of passers-by? [1]
My hearing is... OK - rather than 'perfect'.
However, this particular machine, when compared to every other
"machine that goes 'PING!"
that seem legion in this household, does indeed have the most weedy
sound effect I have ever encountered.
[1] Not that I have been 'passed-by' in the last 3 months.
Our PBM emits 8 Beeps unless switched off before completing the full
number.
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steveski
2020-06-12 22:28:11 UTC
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P.S. Set a separate timer to tell you when to decant your loaf - our
Panasonic has the most feeble "beep" to announce completion, inaudible
if you are more than 18 inches away.
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Post by Mike
Our PBM can be heard from the kitchen through the dining room, hall and
into the living room!
Speaking as someone for whom the piano keyboard increasingly sounds like
do, re, mi, fa, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, may I ask you, Sam,
if you have seen an audiologist recently?
I've spent a large part of my life in front of amps, monitors and PAs
with the various rock bands I've played with (and some loud electric
jazz) [1] and when I had an audio test a couple of years ago the
audiologist commented that 'Blimey, you could hear fish fart!

Damon, a mate of mine did the same and now has no top to his hearing
other than the tinnitus that he suffers from . . .

Life's not fairTM
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[1] The brass section in classical orchestras have never given me a
problem :-)
Chris McMillan
2020-06-11 11:57:24 UTC
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home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
Sharwood's Mango Chutney, which is my all-time best favourite, is not
always available either. In my latest order I substituted Asda's own
Mango, Apple & Ginger which sounds appetising, but I haven't tried it yet.
Himself eats Branstons. I’ve located a caramalised onion chut knee
(Baxters) from Mr Tesco. Mango is far too high in sugar: have had to banish
it

Sincerely Chris
Anne B
2020-06-11 19:55:20 UTC
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home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
Sharwood's Mango Chutney, which is my all-time best favourite, is not
always available either. In my latest order I substituted Asda's own
Mango, Apple & Ginger which sounds appetising, but I haven't tried it yet.
Himself eats Branstons. I’ve located a caramalised onion chut knee
(Baxters) from Mr Tesco.
From here I can walk to Baxters factory in about 25 minutes (depending
on how often I get sidetracked on the way) or cycle there in 5 minutes.
The factory is working flat out to keep up supplies of chut knee, soup
and so on, but the on-site shop is closed :(

Anne B
Chris McMillan
2020-06-12 10:55:14 UTC
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home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
Sharwood's Mango Chutney, which is my all-time best favourite, is not
always available either. In my latest order I substituted Asda's own
Mango, Apple & Ginger which sounds appetising, but I haven't tried it yet.
Himself eats Branstons. I’ve located a caramalised onion chut knee
(Baxters) from Mr Tesco.
From here I can walk to Baxters factory in about 25 minutes (depending
on how often I get sidetracked on the way) or cycle there in 5 minutes.
The factory is working flat out to keep up supplies of chut knee, soup
and so on, but the on-site shop is closed :(
Anne B
Wow! There has to beca silver lining to living where you do, Anne,
assuming you can make use of everything tinned

Sincerely Chris
Vicky Ayech
2020-06-11 12:56:13 UTC
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Post by Mike
home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal.
You're lucky - I have not been able to buy any flour since lock-down.
Sharwood's Mango Chutney, which is my all-time best favourite, is not
always available either. In my latest order I substituted Asda's own
Mango, Apple & Ginger which sounds appetising, but I haven't tried it yet.
I get the Sharwoods Chutney from Morrisons and Tescos in the delivery
and one of them had it on offer so I got a few extra.
Vicky Ayech
2020-06-11 12:54:59 UTC
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form at least once per day but have not bought a lettuce for months.
Today for lunch we had a tuna salad sandwich based on a seedy
wholemeal loaf I baked the night before, red and white cabbage leaves
for crunchiness, a selection of home-pickled vegetables and some tuna.
The latter came from a tin, unfortunately: the Rio de la Plata is not
renown for its tuna fisheries.
Nick
We find Romaine lettuce hearts keep very well so chop these up and consume
with sweet peppers (which will keep well in our ‘fridge for a week)
cucumber, (usually good for at least 5 days) tommyatoes which also keep
reasonably well but we just need our greenhouse crop to ripen now, home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal. Tescos have provided some very good large sprung inions the last
few weeks too!
I find Romaine lettuce lasts the week too. I tear it into bits wash in
cold water, spin dry and put it in a plastic bag in the fridge and it
is fine.
Mike
2020-06-11 13:08:50 UTC
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form at least once per day but have not bought a lettuce for months.
Today for lunch we had a tuna salad sandwich based on a seedy
wholemeal loaf I baked the night before, red and white cabbage leaves
for crunchiness, a selection of home-pickled vegetables and some tuna.
The latter came from a tin, unfortunately: the Rio de la Plata is not
renown for its tuna fisheries.
Nick
We find Romaine lettuce hearts keep very well so chop these up and consume
with sweet peppers (which will keep well in our ‘fridge for a week)
cucumber, (usually good for at least 5 days) tommyatoes which also keep
reasonably well but we just need our greenhouse crop to ripen now, home
made bread or wraps along with cheese or chicken with chut knee complete
the meal. Tescos have provided some very good large sprung inions the last
few weeks too!
I find Romaine lettuce lasts the week too. I tear it into bits wash in
cold water, spin dry and put it in a plastic bag in the fridge and it
is fine.
Yup, that’s what we do, I prepare peppers and cucumber and put in snap-top
boxes, I call them our ‘salad kit’.
Unforch.... we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left -
others are just *not the same*!
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2020-06-11 13:13:11 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
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Mike
2020-06-11 13:25:10 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-11 16:27:20 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?

If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
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Chris McMillan
2020-06-11 16:56:29 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
Aldi *are* delivering but it’s a fixed box of 22 items ambient only, very
similar in range to the nhs one.

Sincerely Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-11 19:29:52 UTC
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If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
Aldi *are* delivering but it’s a fixed box of 22 items ambient only, very
similar in range to the nhs one.
Sincerely Chris
That sounds like it's just for he current situation (is that what
ambient means there?), though. Although good on them.
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-06-11 19:45:41 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
Aldi *are* delivering but it’s a fixed box of 22 items ambient only, very
similar in range to the nhs one.
Sincerely Chris
That sounds like it's just for he current situation (is that what
ambient means there?), though. Although good on them.
I agree that it sounds like it's just for the current situation but
ambient means "room temperature", so nothing chilled or frozen.
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2020-06-12 10:55:14 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
Aldi *are* delivering but it’s a fixed box of 22 items ambient only, very
similar in range to the nhs one.
Sincerely Chris
That sounds like it's just for he current situation (is that what
ambient means there?), though. Although good on them.
We watched a prog about t’history of Aldi. Some of it was a rehash but
they decided that it was their way of supporting those who hadn’t been able
to access deliveries in those first weeks, Morrison’s does something
similar. Whether they continue with home delivery post covid remains to be
seen. They also moved to home delivering a small number of bulky items from
their weekly special offers (the food box was a second string IIRC.)

Sincerely Chris
Mike
2020-06-11 17:01:49 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
It is not practical / permissible? to take bus ride to Woodley, shop and
get back home via another bus in less time than is uncomfortable without
visiting a toilet (they are all still closed AFAIK); present medical
condition makes for frequent need to visit a comfort station I’m afraid.
Tesco delivery service is very useful but will revert to personal shopping
as soon as is practical. Mrs. McToodles cannot reach higher shelves in
supermarkets either :-(((
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-11 21:07:40 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
It is not practical / permissible? to take bus ride to Woodley, shop and
get back home via another bus in less time than is uncomfortable without
visiting a toilet (they are all still closed AFAIK); present medical
condition makes for frequent need to visit a comfort station I’m afraid.
Tesco delivery service is very useful but will revert to personal shopping
as soon as is practical. Mrs. McToodles cannot reach higher shelves in
supermarkets either :-(((
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=85%25%20chocolate
Would this do?
Mike
2020-06-12 07:47:44 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
It is not practical / permissible? to take bus ride to Woodley, shop and
get back home via another bus in less time than is uncomfortable without
visiting a toilet (they are all still closed AFAIK); present medical
condition makes for frequent need to visit a comfort station I’m afraid.
Tesco delivery service is very useful but will revert to personal shopping
as soon as is practical. Mrs. McToodles cannot reach higher shelves in
supermarkets either :-(((
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=85%25%20chocolate
Would this do?
That link returned:

“No products found for "85% chocolate"
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-12 08:38:34 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ?choccie days?. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month?s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
It is not practical / permissible? to take bus ride to Woodley, shop and
get back home via another bus in less time than is uncomfortable without
visiting a toilet (they are all still closed AFAIK); present medical
condition makes for frequent need to visit a comfort station I?m afraid.
Tesco delivery service is very useful but will revert to personal shopping
as soon as is practical. Mrs. McToodles cannot reach higher shelves in
supermarkets either :-(((
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=85%25%20chocolate
Would this do?
“No products found for "85% chocolate"
Today that seems correct but yesterday that link led to Green and
Blacks reduced to 1.50 from 2 quid. Must be sold out. What about
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/264587407
or
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/300794902
Mike
2020-06-12 10:20:17 UTC
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Post by Mike
we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ?choccie days?. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month?s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
It is not practical / permissible? to take bus ride to Woodley, shop and
get back home via another bus in less time than is uncomfortable without
visiting a toilet (they are all still closed AFAIK); present medical
condition makes for frequent need to visit a comfort station I?m afraid.
Tesco delivery service is very useful but will revert to personal shopping
as soon as is practical. Mrs. McToodles cannot reach higher shelves in
supermarkets either :-(((
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=85%25%20chocolate
Would this do?
“No products found for "85% chocolate"
Today that seems correct but yesterday that link led to Green and
Blacks reduced to 1.50 from 2 quid. Must be sold out. What about
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/264587407
or
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/300794902
Must order some of the latter for next weeks delivery and give it a try!
Thank you!
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Sam Plusnet
2020-06-12 21:42:28 UTC
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https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/search?query=85%25%20chocolate
Would this do?
“No products found for "85% chocolate"
I dunno about Tesco, but the search engines on more than one supermarket
seem to give strange results.
I recently searched for a particular type of coffee on Ocado - typing
the name into the search box as it appears on the tin.
Nul points, as they say on Eurovision.
Work your way down by category & there it is.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-13 00:30:35 UTC
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I dunno about Tesco, but the search engines on more than one
supermarket seem to give strange results.
I recently searched for a particular type of coffee on Ocado - typing
the name into the search box as it appears on the tin.
Nul points, as they say on Eurovision.
Work your way down by category & there it is.
Not surprised.
It strikes me as odd that you can't type in a barcode from an existing
packet: OK, not that many customers would use that method, but they must
have those numbers, so it seems odd that you can't (I assume you can't -
I've not tried online shopping).

On a smartphone, you can probably get apps to even read the barcode.
(I'm not aware of any for a PC, though there may be some; barcode
readers are cheap, but I suspect few people have one [I don't think I
have].)
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-06-13 08:13:51 UTC
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It strikes me as odd that you can't type in a barcode from an existing
packet: OK, not that many customers would use that method, but they must
have those numbers, so it seems odd that you can't (I assume you can't -
I've not tried online shopping).
The thing which strikes me as odd is that you would, at one and the same
time, assume something to be true[1], while finding it odd that it
should be so.

[1] As it happens, it looks as if your assumption is correct, unless I
was unfortunate in the sample, but that doesn't change my suprise.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-13 14:55:19 UTC
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It strikes me as odd that you can't type in a barcode from an
existing packet: OK, not that many customers would use that method,
but they must have those numbers, so it seems odd that you can't (I
assume you can't - I've not tried online shopping).
The thing which strikes me as odd is that you would, at one and the
same time, assume something to be true[1], while finding it odd that it
should be so.
[1] As it happens, it looks as if your assumption is correct, unless I
was unfortunate in the sample, but that doesn't change my suprise.
It wasn't _entirely_ assumption: though I've not tried online shopping,
I've had experience of communicating with suppliers about products, and
found that mentioning the barcode hasn't had any appreciable benefit in
speeding such communications.
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-06-14 13:26:10 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
It strikes me as odd that you can't type in a barcode from an
existing  packet: OK, not that many customers would use that method,
but they must  have those numbers, so it seems odd that you can't (I
assume you can't -  I've not tried online shopping).
The thing which strikes me as odd is that you would, at one and the
same time, assume something to be true[1], while finding it odd that
it should be so.
[1]  As it happens, it looks as if your assumption is correct, unless
I was unfortunate in the sample, but that doesn't change my suprise.
It wasn't _entirely_ assumption: though I've not tried online shopping,
I've had experience of communicating with suppliers about products, and
found that mentioning the barcode hasn't had any appreciable benefit in
speeding such communications.
It seems we were both doing Tesco[1] an injustice. It suddenly occurred
to me (in the small hours of the morning) that the place where it would
make most sense to support barcode seaches is on their app, where you
can scan the barcode with your phone. Sure enough, that does allow it
and it successfully scanned, identified and found a can of Branston
Baked Beans.


[1] And quite probably other supermarkets as well, but I've only checked
Tesco.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-14 14:15:51 UTC
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It seems we were both doing Tesco[1] an injustice. It suddenly
occurred to me (in the small hours of the morning) that the place where
it would make most sense to support barcode seaches is on their app,
where you can scan the barcode with your phone. Sure enough, that does
allow it and it successfully scanned, identified and found a can of
Branston Baked Beans.
[1] And quite probably other supermarkets as well, but I've only
checked Tesco.
Interesting to know. (They could implement it for webcams without much
effort, though: you hold up the empty packet and click "I want more of
these".) Another case where another "digital divide" will come, though,
sadly - those who have (or at least carry) a fobile (and a "smart" one
at that), versus those who don't.
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-06-14 15:10:39 UTC
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It seems we were both doing Tesco[1] an injustice.  It suddenly
occurred to me (in the small hours of the morning) that the place
where it would make most sense to support barcode seaches is on their
app, where you can scan the barcode with your phone.  Sure enough,
that does allow it and it successfully scanned, identified and found a
can of Branston Baked Beans.
[1] And quite probably other supermarkets as well, but I've only
checked Tesco.
Interesting to know. (They could implement it for webcams without much
effort, though: you hold up the empty packet and click "I want more of
these".) Another case where another "digital divide" will come, though,
sadly - those who have (or at least carry) a fobile (and a "smart" one
at that), versus those who don't.
Yes, it would certainly be possible but I suspect that the number of
people who would want to operate that way is small enough that it's a
change which is never likely to make the cut.
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Penny
2020-06-14 18:54:09 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
It seems we were both doing Tesco[1] an injustice. It suddenly
occurred to me (in the small hours of the morning) that the place where
it would make most sense to support barcode seaches is on their app,
where you can scan the barcode with your phone. Sure enough, that does
allow it and it successfully scanned, identified and found a can of
Branston Baked Beans.
[1] And quite probably other supermarkets as well, but I've only
checked Tesco.
Interesting to know. (They could implement it for webcams without much
effort, though: you hold up the empty packet and click "I want more of
these".) Another case where another "digital divide" will come, though,
sadly - those who have (or at least carry) a fobile (and a "smart" one
at that), versus those who don't.
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.

You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.

Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
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Sally Thompson
2020-06-14 19:18:28 UTC
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[]
Post by Serena Blanchflower
It seems we were both doing Tesco[1] an injustice. It suddenly
occurred to me (in the small hours of the morning) that the place where
it would make most sense to support barcode seaches is on their app,
where you can scan the barcode with your phone. Sure enough, that does
allow it and it successfully scanned, identified and found a can of
Branston Baked Beans.
[1] And quite probably other supermarkets as well, but I've only
checked Tesco.
Interesting to know. (They could implement it for webcams without much
effort, though: you hold up the empty packet and click "I want more of
these".) Another case where another "digital divide" will come, though,
sadly - those who have (or at least carry) a fobile (and a "smart" one
at that), versus those who don't.
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
Can't you specify "no substitutes"? You can on Sainsbury's but I've never
done an online shop at Morrison's.
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Penny
2020-06-14 20:07:32 UTC
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Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
Can't you specify "no substitutes"? You can on Sainsbury's but I've never
done an online shop at Morrison's.
I don't know.
Having first experienced substitutions from eTsco, where they sent a more
expensive item but charged me for what I'd ordered, I've been very
disappointed to find this is not the case with Morrisons (though it wasn't
great when eTsco sent 2x500 g of expensive sugar in place of 2x1 kg).
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Sam Plusnet
2020-06-14 21:35:22 UTC
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I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like

"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.

Those were simpler times.
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Nick Odell
2020-06-15 01:01:19 UTC
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Post by Penny
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Yes, but unfortunately not including the Scratch for which John was so
wistfully nostalgising recently.


Nick
Sid Nuncius
2020-06-15 05:22:00 UTC
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You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Yes, but unfortunately not including the Scratch for which John was so
wistfully nostalgising recently.
Versatile stuff, Scratch. Bruce Springsteen and his partner Sonny built
a '69 Chevy with a 396, Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor straight
out of it.
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Sam Plusnet
2020-06-15 21:41:47 UTC
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You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order.  Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Yes, but unfortunately not including the Scratch for which John was so
wistfully nostalgising recently.
Versatile stuff, Scratch.  Bruce Springsteen and his partner Sonny built
a '69 Chevy with a 396, Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor straight
out of it.
A Damian Hurst? No thanks, I think I'll walk.
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Chris J Dixon
2020-06-16 07:35:29 UTC
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Yes, but unfortunately not including the Scratch for which John was so
wistfully nostalgising recently.
Versatile stuff, Scratch. Bruce Springsteen and his partner Sonny built
a '69 Chevy with a 396, Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor straight
out of it.
Not, I have just discovered, without some suspension of
disbelief, it appears:

<https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/rolling-stone-fact-checks-famous-rock-songs-14523/bruce-springsteen-racing-in-the-street-11840/>

'Ask any car nut and they'll tell you that fuelie heads can't go
on a 1969 Chevy 396. "There was no such thing as fuelie heads on
a big block, which is what the 396 was – a big block," a 2005 New
York Times story quoted an expert saying. "Now with the
small-block Chevy engine, the 327, you could've had fuel-injected
cylinder heads. But with the big block, no.'' '

Some interesting other comments on that page. Who knew there is
no South Detroit?

Chris
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Penny
2020-06-14 22:57:45 UTC
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You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
I remember the deliveries (in a cardboard box by bicycle). I remember the
little book - though I never looked closely at it. I also recall going to
the Co-op shops* to place the order, having travelled there in the seat on
the back of my mother's bicycle (I've forgotten her Co-op number though). I
didn't understand why, later when she had use of a car, she didn't just
bring the shopping home with her.
Post by Sam Plusnet
Those were simpler times.
Yes, half the morning walking round the shops then not getting the food to
make the evening meal with until after lunch.

*We had three in a row. Grocers on right, butchers to its left, then the
greengrocers (which may not have been Co-op).
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Rosemary Miskin
2020-06-15 09:02:54 UTC
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(I've forgotten her Co-op number though)
I stil remember my grandmother's number, some 50 years after her death! We always used
that number - she claimed to be amazed at the divi earnt on her small expenditure.

Rosemary
Mike
2020-06-15 09:33:09 UTC
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Post by Penny
(I've forgotten her Co-op number though)
I stil remember my grandmother's number, some 50 years after her death! We always used
that number - she claimed to be amazed at the divi earnt on her small expenditure.
Rosemary
:-)))
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-15 20:42:17 UTC
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(I've forgotten her Co-op number though)
I stil remember my grandmother's number, some 50 years after her death! We always used
that number - she claimed to be amazed at the divi earnt on her small expenditure.
Rosemary
:-)))
I do the same for my blind friends: I don't have a local Morrison (I
think my nearest is Canterbury), so it's not worth ... actually thinking
about it, that means I don't build up many points for them either!

I suppose if I fill the car at a Morrisons ... hmm. Quick check ... last
time I bought fuel _anywhere_ was 2 April, and that was IIRR only about
a quarter or third tank ...
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-15 09:42:07 UTC
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Post by Penny
(I've forgotten her Co-op number though)
I stil remember my grandmother's number, some 50 years after her death! We always used
that number - she claimed to be amazed at the divi earnt on her small expenditure.
Rosemary
I remember my grandmother's and mum's too after a similar time. I use
one as one of those passwords.
Chris J Dixon
2020-06-15 10:09:51 UTC
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Post by Rosemary Miskin
Post by Penny
(I've forgotten her Co-op number though)
I stil remember my grandmother's number, some 50 years after her death! We always used
that number - she claimed to be amazed at the divi earnt on her small expenditure.
I remember my grandmother's and mum's too after a similar time. I use
one as one of those passwords.
A number as ingrained as that is most handy, and I also still
make use of it.

Chris
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Mike
2020-06-15 07:39:31 UTC
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Post by Penny
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
I’m sorry but I can no longer our divi number.
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Mike
2020-06-15 07:42:02 UTC
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Post by Penny
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
I’m sorry but I can no longer our divi number.
Sorry, I forgot the word ‘remember’ too!
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Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-06-15 09:32:11 UTC
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You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire.
All I remember from my grannie's Co-op days is the round tokens that were used to pay for milk deliveries.
Mike
2020-06-15 09:42:18 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire.
All I remember from my grannie's Co-op days is the round tokens that were
used to pay for milk deliveries.
Can’t recall those at all; I suppose I was aware of the ordering and
deliveries from the Co-Op from about 5 years old which makes that 1952, I
recall the milkman, (horse’n’cart deliveries, where the ‘orse was given
its’ haybag whilst standing outside our house as we lived in the last house
in the road) and earlier than that, I recall the ‘orse drawn milk cart that
dispensed the white nectar from a measuring jug into our own vessel. I also
recall the bread deliveries (motorised van) as the baker had a huge wicker
basket in which he would have a very tempting array of bread products to
offer us. Going away from the coop, we also had periodic calls from the
Kleenezee (sp?) salesman...
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Jenny M Benson
2020-06-15 11:31:29 UTC
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Can’t recall those at all; I suppose I was aware of the ordering and
deliveries from the Co-Op from about 5 years old which makes that 1952, I
recall the milkman, (horse’n’cart deliveries, where the ‘orse was given
its’ haybag whilst standing outside our house as we lived in the last house
in the road) and earlier than that, I recall the ‘orse drawn milk cart that
dispensed the white nectar from a measuring jug into our own vessel. I also
recall the bread deliveries (motorised van) as the baker had a huge wicker
basket in which he would have a very tempting array of bread products to
offer us. Going away from the coop, we also had periodic calls from the
Kleenezee (sp?) salesman...
I can't remember where our milk came from, but I do remember the milkman
putting the bottles on the kitchen windowsill and collecting the empties
from there. I remember Co-op bread deliveries in a horse-drawn vehicle,
but I don't think that was very frequent.

Some years later the local Co-op gave up horses and a couple we knew
bought one of them and I rode him a lot. I now realise I can't remember
his name:-(

The Keeneze man was the only door-to-door salesman my Mum would by from
and she always did buy something from him because K salesman were
usually (always?) ex-Servicemen and honest and reliable.
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krw
2020-06-15 11:57:22 UTC
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I can't remember where our milk came from
I do. It came from the moos in the dairy.
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2020-06-15 11:58:53 UTC
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I can't remember where our milk came from
I do. It came from the moos in the dairy.
There’s no udder source....
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-06-15 20:49:38 UTC
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Can’t recall those at all; I suppose I was aware of the ordering and
deliveries from the Co-Op from about 5 years old which makes that 1952, I
recall the milkman, (horse’n’cart deliveries, where the ‘orse was given
its’ haybag whilst standing outside our house as we lived in the last house
in the road) and earlier than that, I recall the ‘orse drawn milk cart that
dispensed the white nectar from a measuring jug into our own vessel. I also
recall the bread deliveries (motorised van) as the baker had a huge wicker
basket in which he would have a very tempting array of bread products to
They weren't called Ernie and Ted, by any chance?
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Mike
offer us. Going away from the coop, we also had periodic calls from the
Kleenezee (sp?) salesman...
I can't remember where our milk came from, but I do remember the
milkman putting the bottles on the kitchen windowsill and collecting
the empties from there. I remember Co-op bread deliveries in a
horse-drawn vehicle, but I don't think that was very frequent.
Some years later the local Co-op gave up horses and a couple we knew
bought one of them and I rode him a lot. I now realise I can't
remember his name:-(
Trigger?
Post by Jenny M Benson
The Keeneze man was the only door-to-door salesman my Mum would by from
and she always did buy something from him because K salesman were
usually (always?) ex-Servicemen and honest and reliable.
I had either the Kleeneezee (sp?) or Bettaware - I forget which (might
have been both) - right up to the end of the company. Jolly black lady.
(Oh dear, these days I have to wonder if that's unconsciously racist.
But she _was_ always cheerful. And I used to think she worked hard.) I
often _did_ buy things: variable quality, but some OK, and often things
I'd never thought of wanting/needing. (I think maybe the "middle of
Lidl" - the cheaper items, anyway - has captured some of that market.)
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Mike
2020-06-15 14:48:05 UTC
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I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
Of course that were in the days before you could buy etcetera in semi
skimmed, free from and low carb versions of it.
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Penny
2020-06-15 16:17:20 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
Of course that were in the days before you could buy etcetera in semi
skimmed, free from and low carb versions of it.
In fact there were seldom ingredients listed on anything (apart from HP
Sauce).
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BrritSki
2020-06-15 17:13:37 UTC
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"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
Of course that were in the days before you could buy etcetera in semi
skimmed, free from and low carb versions of it.
In fact there were seldom ingredients listed on anything (apart from HP
Sauce).
From memory, it started:

Cette sauce de haute qualite est un melange de fruits orientaux,
d'epices et vinaigre...
Nick Odell
2020-06-15 22:58:54 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Sam Plusnet
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
Of course that were in the days before you could buy etcetera in semi
skimmed, free from and low carb versions of it.
In fact there were seldom ingredients listed on anything (apart from HP
Sauce).
Cette sauce de haute qualite est un melange de fruits orientaux,
d'epices et vinaigre...
Maybe this will help to bring it back...



Nick
Sam Plusnet
2020-06-15 21:50:48 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Penny
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website at
least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you when you
last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you forgotten anything'
page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted with
something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread
Milk
Butter
Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
Of course that were in the days before you could buy etcetera in semi
skimmed, free from and low carb versions of it.
Etc. _is_ the low calorie version of et cetera.

Looked at the label of the bottle of wine we opened last night, &
experienced a certain frisson when I read it was South African.
That's perfectly OK of course, but there was a fleeting moment of disquiet.

It's me age you know.
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steveski
2020-06-15 22:30:58 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Penny
I'm new to all this online grocery shopping but on Morrisons website
at least, once you have bought something before, it will tell you
when you last bought it and suggest it to you on the 'have you
forgotten anything' page before you checkout.
You can also add anything to your 'favourites' and call them up altogether,
or have them appear first on the different department pages.
Of course it may be out of stock on the day and will be substituted
with something your were actively avoiding but you can't win 'em all.
You have reminded me that, when I was a nipper, the weekly shop was
ordered from the Co-op who provided a little booklet in which to write
your order. Inside the back page was a generic list which acted as an
aide memoire. It contained things like
"Bread Milk Butter Jam"
etc.
Those were simpler times.
Of course that were in the days before you could buy etcetera in semi
skimmed, free from and low carb versions of it.
Etc. _is_ the low calorie version of et cetera.
Looked at the label of the bottle of wine we opened last night, &
experienced a certain frisson when I read it was South African.
That's perfectly OK of course, but there was a fleeting moment of disquiet.
For years I wouldn't drink S. African or Chilean wines because of the
regimes in those countries. Things have changed and now they tend to be
the bulk of wine that I consume.

Ho-hum - plus ça wotsit . . .
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-11 21:05:12 UTC
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Post by Mike
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Post by Mike
we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
[Mode=Abstemious) We have a 12.5 grammes square each, every other day;
even marked up on the calendar to indicate ‘choccie days’. 1 bar provides
This _does_ have echoes of wartime (and post-) rationing!
Post by Mike
10 squares, thus 10 days per bar. Thinks: ermmm, just one month’s supply
remaining.
Is it actually in short supply, or just you haven't been able to get to
a Lidl?
If Lidl/Aldi ever start deliveries, there'll be one hell of a ruckus!
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
I only eat chocolate once a week after weigh in and do have some
salted caramel choc and another, think it is Lindt milk choc, but
yesterday because I had to go to the PO and past the display of on
offer Wispa and Boost I got a pack of each and had one of each, which
was just greedy :(
krw
2020-06-12 13:46:25 UTC
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(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
I remember when M&S did not take credit cards. When this is all over I
just want to pay by cash.
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Penny
2020-06-12 15:35:53 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(It's not impossible: I remember when they didn't take credit cards.)
I remember when M&S did not take credit cards. When this is all over I
just want to pay by cash.
I don't.
From paying my personal shoppers in cash - usually by giving them a £20
note (fortunately I had a small stash of cash in the house) with the
shopping list - I currently have about £5 in small change, mostly pennies,
more than I've had in years.
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Chris McMillan
2020-06-11 16:56:28 UTC
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we only have three bars of 84% cocoa Lidl chocolate left
You have chocolate left? Disgraceful.
I wouldn’t be a diet controlled diabetic if I ate the amount of choccie I
might have once.

Sincerely Chris
Anne B
2020-06-11 11:45:34 UTC
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Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want?  Will the food areas see many
customers?
Personally, although I don't enjoy shopping much, I am not managing with
deliveries either. Too often the supermarkets (I have alternate weeklies
with Sainsburys and Tesco) simply don't have what I want or it is
ridiculously expensive and I know I can get better quality and cheaper
from a local shop or market or Lidl. I also hate having to buy
everything for the week ahead, where I used to walk down the hill nearly
every day (and up again which was very good for me) and get exactly what
I wanted, fresh and in the right quantities.
And food is precisely where my problems are right now - I do get a lot
of things online, for example I have difficult feet but I know a brand
that usually fits me and those I always order online because they have
no shops nearby; or underwear or vitamins or odd stuff for which there
are no local shops. In the future I might well do an online shop once a
month for heavy stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food
shopping, and indeed, resume trawling round several shops to find the
best stuff.
Post by krw
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have they even thought about the viability of small shops if there
is no curfew at all on the big ones. You'd have thought Not-so-Priti
might have put a word in for her parents' chain of small shops.
Post by krw
Nor have the rioters obviously.
This I don't understand.
Our main reason to shop at Iceland is to replenish stocks of frozen smoked
haddock - but this has been o/s for weeks now so making an order for
delivery( £35 ) has been impractical. We have been making priority delivery
orders with Mr. Tesco for some weeks now but, as you say Kate, stocking
fresh veg and fruit for a week at a time is not ideal. Our orders for
mainly veg and fruit are also somewhat irksome as to spend £40 on v&f for
two per week takes some doing!
Dunno if this is what you are already doing, Mike, but we have changed
our choice of vegetables based on their keeping ability and altered
our eating patterns accordingly. For example, we eat salad in some
form at least once per day but have not bought a lettuce for months.
I haven't bought lettuce for years. I don't think it's worth the effort
of washing and eating it.

Anne B
Penny
2020-06-11 16:09:19 UTC
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I haven't bought lettuce for years. I don't think it's worth the effort
of washing and eating it.
I used to buy it occasionally but I'm not really a fan. Consequently I
discovered it makes a pretty good soup :)
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Jenny M Benson
2020-06-11 19:47:29 UTC
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I haven't bought lettuce for years. I don't think it's worth the effort
of washing and eating it.
I used to buy it occasionally but I'm not really a fan. Consequently I
discovered it makes a pretty good soup:)
Have I mentioned here before the occasion when a neighbour invited me to
dinner to help entertain a French exchange student and served us Lettuce
Soup followed by something & Salad followed by Gooseberry Fool?
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Penny
2020-06-11 20:39:02 UTC
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I haven't bought lettuce for years. I don't think it's worth the effort
of washing and eating it.
I used to buy it occasionally but I'm not really a fan. Consequently I
discovered it makes a pretty good soup:)
Have I mentioned here before the occasion when a neighbour invited me to
dinner to help entertain a French exchange student and served us Lettuce
Soup followed by something & Salad followed by Gooseberry Fool?
Dunno but I do like gooseberry fool and, having made some fresh strawberry
ice cream this week (I blame online grocery shopping), have been
remembering my mother's gooseberry fool (pureed stewed gooseberries whisked
up with sweetened condensed milk) and the first time I froze the leftovers
and ate them as ice cream - yum :)
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Mike
2020-06-12 07:43:57 UTC
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I haven't bought lettuce for years. I don't think it's worth the effort
of washing and eating it.
I used to buy it occasionally but I'm not really a fan. Consequently I
discovered it makes a pretty good soup:)
Have I mentioned here before the occasion when a neighbour invited me to
dinner to help entertain a French exchange student and served us Lettuce
Soup followed by something & Salad followed by Gooseberry Fool?
Was the neighbour a little green?
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Sid Nuncius
2020-06-12 17:48:20 UTC
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Was the neighbour a little green?
...be a Gypsy dancer.
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-06-10 16:15:25 UTC
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In the future I might well do an online shop once a month for heavy
stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food shopping, and indeed,
resume trawling round several shops to find the best stuff.
I've always thought that would be the ideal approach, if a miracle
happened and I was able to get out to the shops on a regular basis.
When online supermarket shopping first became available, I hoped this
would become the norm, with people buying the heavy, and the boring,
bits online from the supermarket and then buying fresh food from small,
local shops.
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Vicky Ayech
2020-06-10 17:05:23 UTC
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In the future I might well do an online shop once a month for heavy
stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food shopping, and indeed,
resume trawling round several shops to find the best stuff.
I've always thought that would be the ideal approach, if a miracle
happened and I was able to get out to the shops on a regular basis.
When online supermarket shopping first became available, I hoped this
would become the norm, with people buying the heavy, and the boring,
bits online from the supermarket and then buying fresh food from small,
local shops.
That was more or less my pattern. I find doing a full weekly shop too
hard but get many things that way from alternately Tescos and
Morrisons, as each stock things the otehr does not, and then was
getting some fresh items on my way back from the early morning swim
from Asda or Sainsburys. That way I could check prices and the makes
I like from 4 places. We'd like Aldi or Lidl things but they don't
have enough for a full shop, don't deliver and are not local.
Chris McMillan
2020-06-11 11:57:23 UTC
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Post by krw
Will people want to go to shops having found they can manage with
deliveries and only buying what they want?  Will the food areas see many
customers?
Personally, although I don't enjoy shopping much, I am not managing with
deliveries either. Too often the supermarkets (I have alternate weeklies
with Sainsburys and Tesco) simply don't have what I want or it is
ridiculously expensive and I know I can get better quality and cheaper
from a local shop or market or Lidl. I also hate having to buy
everything for the week ahead, where I used to walk down the hill nearly
every day (and up again which was very good for me) and get exactly what
I wanted, fresh and in the right quantities.
And food is precisely where my problems are right now - I do get a lot
of things online, for example I have difficult feet but I know a brand
that usually fits me and those I always order online because they have
no shops nearby; or underwear or vitamins or odd stuff for which there
are no local shops. In the future I might well do an online shop once a
month for heavy stuff, but I will very happily resume daily food
shopping, and indeed, resume trawling round several shops to find the
best stuff.
Post by krw
I am not sure that the politicians in pushing for all day Sunday opening
have even given this a thought.
Nor have they even thought about the viability of small shops if there
is no curfew at all on the big ones. You'd have thought Not-so-Priti
might have put a word in for her parents' chain of small shops.
Post by krw
Nor have the rioters obviously.
This I don't understand.
Rioters not socially distancing.

HTH

Sincerely Chris
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