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steveski
2018-10-30 13:16:53 UTC
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Serena Blanchflower
2018-10-30 14:16:15 UTC
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I'd just been thinking of posting along very similar lines...
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-10-30 14:17:44 UTC
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Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
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krw
2018-10-30 14:36:04 UTC
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<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
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Serena Blanchflower
2018-10-30 14:54:34 UTC
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Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week.  This time they will actually be doing something.
Good luck. Hope everything goes well and that they do something which
improves matters.
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Vicky Ayech
2018-10-30 21:14:24 UTC
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<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
What will they be doing? And all the best for it.
krw
2018-10-31 11:04:43 UTC
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Post by steveski
<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
What will they be doing? And all the best for it.
The first visit on Monday was to put in train work to be done on my
hands next year.

The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August. Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Vicky Ayech
2018-10-31 11:14:03 UTC
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Post by steveski
<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
What will they be doing? And all the best for it.
The first visit on Monday was to put in train work to be done on my
hands next year.
The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August. Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered :). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
krw
2018-10-31 11:27:51 UTC
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One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered:). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.

Depends on recovery from anaesthetic and so on.

The two hands ops will both include an overnight stay so that the
dressings can be done properly the following day. This will be followed
by further visits on the next couple of weeks to ensure the bits are all
mending - the right hand (being done first) requires quite intrusive
attention.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Vicky Ayech
2018-10-31 18:16:54 UTC
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I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health. They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
it is more expensive in the long run.
BrritSki
2018-10-31 18:23:52 UTC
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Post by krw
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health.
If it was Outside Health they wouldn't need keyhole surgery !

They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
Post by Vicky Ayech
it is more expensive in the long run.
I find that difficult to believe...
Nick Odell
2018-10-31 19:12:14 UTC
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I am going in at lunchtime.  If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day.  I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely.  This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was  an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health.
If it was Outside Health they wouldn't need keyhole surgery !
They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
it is more expensive in the long run.
I find that difficult to believe...
For aortic embolisms only. There's a transcription of the programme here
at https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0000y9r where they explain that
although the traditional surgery and recovery takes longer and is more
expensive in itself, once it's over it's over. The keyhole operation is
actually a completely different operation and after it has been done
there is a need for annual scans - for life - which overall cost the NHS
more.

There's no indication that this would apply to any other sort of operation.

Nick
BrritSki
2018-10-31 20:07:31 UTC
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They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
Post by Vicky Ayech
it is more expensive in the long run.
I find that difficult to believe...
For aortic embolisms only. There's a transcription of the programme here
at https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0000y9r where they explain that
although the traditional surgery and recovery takes longer and is more
expensive in itself, once it's over it's over. The keyhole operation is
actually a completely different operation and after it has been done
there is a need for annual scans - for life - which overall cost the NHS
more.
That makes more sense...
Penny
2018-10-31 19:17:46 UTC
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Post by krw
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health.
If it was Outside Health they wouldn't need keyhole surgery !
They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
Post by Vicky Ayech
it is more expensive in the long run.
I find that difficult to believe...
Me too, in terms of people hours the cost of open procedures must be huge -
a longer stay in hospital followed by convalescence, whether at home with
visiting nurse or in a special facility. I've no idea how outcomes compare
but they must also be good for waiting lists.
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krw
2018-11-01 23:14:22 UTC
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I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health. They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
it is more expensive in the long run.
It was brought in because it was cheaper. So how can it suddenly be
more expensive?
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Vicky Ayech
2018-11-02 09:46:08 UTC
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I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health. They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
it is more expensive in the long run.
It was brought in because it was cheaper. So how can it suddenly be
more expensive?
I think initially cheaper but involving more medical interaction over
subsequent years.
krw
2018-11-02 10:26:15 UTC
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I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health. They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
it is more expensive in the long run.
It was brought in because it was cheaper. So how can it suddenly be
more expensive?
I think initially cheaper but involving more medical interaction over
subsequent years.
I saw the follow up and I see it relates to one particular problem, in
which case I can understand it.
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
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Vicky Ayech
2018-11-02 17:57:30 UTC
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I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
There was an item this afternoon about keyhole surgery on R4,
probably on Inside Health. They are going to limit keyhole surgery as
it is more expensive in the long run.
It was brought in because it was cheaper. So how can it suddenly be
more expensive?
I think initially cheaper but involving more medical interaction over
subsequent years.
I saw the follow up and I see it relates to one particular problem, in
which case I can understand it.
Well, I hope you are now recovering well and will be home tomorrow.
Chris McMillan
2018-11-02 15:12:57 UTC
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One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered:). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
Depends on recovery from anaesthetic and so on.
The two hands ops will both include an overnight stay so that the
dressings can be done properly the following day. This will be followed
by further visits on the next couple of weeks to ensure the bits are all
mending - the right hand (being done first) requires quite intrusive
attention.
Ouch!

Sincerely Chris
krw
2018-11-05 11:51:23 UTC
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One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered:). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
Depends on recovery from anaesthetic and so on.
The two hands ops will both include an overnight stay so that the
dressings can be done properly the following day. This will be followed
by further visits on the next couple of weeks to ensure the bits are all
mending - the right hand (being done first) requires quite intrusive
attention.
Ouch!
Sincerely Chris
I will let you know once they do it. No painkillers yesterday so am
stockpiling all the tablets against future requirements! The doctors
obviously expected it to hurt.
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Mike
2018-11-05 12:37:51 UTC
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One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered:). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
Depends on recovery from anaesthetic and so on.
The two hands ops will both include an overnight stay so that the
dressings can be done properly the following day. This will be followed
by further visits on the next couple of weeks to ensure the bits are all
mending - the right hand (being done first) requires quite intrusive
attention.
Ouch!
Sincerely Chris
I will let you know once they do it. No painkillers yesterday so am
stockpiling all the tablets against future requirements! The doctors
obviously expected it to hurt.
I was very fortunate earlier this year when I had an operation for an
umbilical hernia; they threw in an appendectomy free of charge; ‘pain
killers’ were recommended along with a regime of taking it gently and doing
plenty of walking. I had pain killers on the first day and took some the
next day in case but all was painless. I never experienced more than very
minor discomfort and only took precautionary pain killers one day the
following week as I was attending a funeral and knew from experience just
how hard, shallow and uncomfortable the pews are. I’m pleased to say the
whole business was painless and uneventful - hope your experience will be
similar KRW.
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LFS
2018-11-05 13:53:23 UTC
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One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered:). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
Depends on recovery from anaesthetic and so on.
The two hands ops will both include an overnight stay so that the
dressings can be done properly the following day. This will be followed
by further visits on the next couple of weeks to ensure the bits are all
mending - the right hand (being done first) requires quite intrusive
attention.
Ouch!
Sincerely Chris
I will let you know once they do it. No painkillers yesterday so am
stockpiling all the tablets against future requirements! The doctors
obviously expected it to hurt.
I was very fortunate earlier this year when I had an operation for an
umbilical hernia; they threw in an appendectomy free of charge; ‘pain
killers’ were recommended along with a regime of taking it gently and doing
plenty of walking. I had pain killers on the first day and took some the
next day in case but all was painless. I never experienced more than very
minor discomfort and only took precautionary pain killers one day the
following week as I was attending a funeral and knew from experience just
how hard, shallow and uncomfortable the pews are. I’m pleased to say the
whole business was painless and uneventful - hope your experience will be
similar KRW.
People's pain levels vary quite a lot, I think. Husband was prescribed
painkillers after some surgery which is normally very painful for most
patients but never took them as he said he didn't need them. When he
tore his Achilles tendon the medics couldn't understand why he wasn't
screaming in pain but he described it as "a bit uncomfortable". My dad
was rushed to hospital with peritonitis as a result of a burst appendix
and he hadn't felt anything. But as my mum often remarked "Where there's
no sense, there's no feeling."
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Mike
2018-11-05 14:04:44 UTC
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One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered:). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
I am going in at lunchtime. If I was on the morning list I would almost
certainly be out the same day. I might still be out the same day if
there are no concerns over sugar levels and so on - the ward sister
thought I would be out that evening but the pre-op nurse said it was
unlikely. This is assuming that they can use keyhole surgery and it is
straightforward.
Depends on recovery from anaesthetic and so on.
The two hands ops will both include an overnight stay so that the
dressings can be done properly the following day. This will be followed
by further visits on the next couple of weeks to ensure the bits are all
mending - the right hand (being done first) requires quite intrusive
attention.
Ouch!
Sincerely Chris
I will let you know once they do it. No painkillers yesterday so am
stockpiling all the tablets against future requirements! The doctors
obviously expected it to hurt.
I was very fortunate earlier this year when I had an operation for an
umbilical hernia; they threw in an appendectomy free of charge; ‘pain
killers’ were recommended along with a regime of taking it gently and doing
plenty of walking. I had pain killers on the first day and took some the
next day in case but all was painless. I never experienced more than very
minor discomfort and only took precautionary pain killers one day the
following week as I was attending a funeral and knew from experience just
how hard, shallow and uncomfortable the pews are. I’m pleased to say the
whole business was painless and uneventful - hope your experience will be
similar KRW.
People's pain levels vary quite a lot, I think. Husband was prescribed
painkillers after some surgery which is normally very painful for most
patients but never took them as he said he didn't need them. When he
tore his Achilles tendon the medics couldn't understand why he wasn't
screaming in pain but he described it as "a bit uncomfortable". My dad
was rushed to hospital with peritonitis as a result of a burst appendix
and he hadn't felt anything. But as my mum often remarked "Where there's
no sense, there's no feeling."
:-)))
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Toodle Pip
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-11-05 14:16:01 UTC
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taking it gently
and
doing
plenty of walking
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nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will all have been
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2018-11-05 15:04:19 UTC
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and
doing
plenty of walking
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Er ...
Ok, walking is gentle exercising but digging the garden, carrying full
watering cans, pushing heavy lawnmower or pushing a cultivator, lifting
heavy boxes / dustbins etc. is not taking it easy!
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Chris McMillan
2018-11-06 17:56:41 UTC
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following week as I was attending a funeral
It was Roger the non netted umrat’s funeral.

Sincerely Chris
BrritSki
2018-11-06 18:11:40 UTC
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following week as I was attending a funeral
It was Roger the non netted umrat’s funeral.
Condolences.
Chris McMillan
2018-11-09 08:36:53 UTC
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following week as I was attending a funeral
It was Roger the non netted umrat’s funeral.
Condolences.
Occasionally, Vicenta still asks a out you all still. Usually when she
forgets when TA is on and rings up. She was never a radio user.

Sincerely Chris

Nick Odell
2018-11-05 20:20:47 UTC
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...am stockpiling all the tablets against future requirements!
Good man! When the EU blockade of our ports[1] begins to bite, you'll be
grateful you kept them and if you don't need them yourself you can sell
them on the black market.

Nick
[1]No, I don't for one moment think that will happen but I'm willing to
have a little flutter on the likelihood that some sections of our press
will portray it thus.
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2018-11-05 21:17:01 UTC
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Penny
2018-10-31 14:34:09 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
What will they be doing? And all the best for it.
The first visit on Monday was to put in train work to be done on my
hands next year.
The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August. Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
One day in for gall bladder removal including the op sounds fast. I
can understand wanting to be home though. Although last time in I
checked the lunch menu and was very worried B would be allowed to take
me home before I'd eaten what I ordered :). Ward food seemed good.
Cafe in Watford not so much. St Albans better.
Mine was in one day, out the next (as far as I can recall) and then a week
or so later, a drop-in visit to the cottage hospital to remove some
stitches which were supposed to dissolve but didn't. That must have been in
2001.
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Jenny M Benson
2018-10-31 11:47:41 UTC
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The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August.  Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
How times change! When I had my gall bladder removed in 1968 I was in
hospital for 10 days or 2 weeks (I forget) and then in a Convalescent
Home for a week!
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Penny
2018-10-31 14:39:30 UTC
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Post by krw
The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August.  Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
How times change! When I had my gall bladder removed in 1968 I was in
hospital for 10 days or 2 weeks (I forget) and then in a Convalescent
Home for a week!
That wasn't keyhole, presumably.

Reminds me of having to spend 10 days in hospital after the birth of d#1 in
1979. I belief so called 'domino' birth plans (max 2 days) were being
trialed at the time but not for 1st borns and not at the hospital I was
booked into.

I think I was only in for 2 or 3 days when d#2 arrived at a different
hospital 6 years later. Although it was touch and go on account of heavy
snow and the wretched BBC kept telling me all roads in Kent were closed :(
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Vicky Ayech
2018-10-31 18:19:15 UTC
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The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August.  Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
How times change! When I had my gall bladder removed in 1968 I was in
hospital for 10 days or 2 weeks (I forget) and then in a Convalescent
Home for a week!
They said 10 days for #1 daughter in 1973 and as Capt Ex was home and
with limited leave I discharged myself after 5. 22 mums and babies on
the ward, not very clean toilets.
Post by Penny
That wasn't keyhole, presumably.
Reminds me of having to spend 10 days in hospital after the birth of d#1 in
1979. I belief so called 'domino' birth plans (max 2 days) were being
trialed at the time but not for 1st borns and not at the hospital I was
booked into.
I think I was only in for 2 or 3 days when d#2 arrived at a different
hospital 6 years later. Although it was touch and go on account of heavy
snow and the wretched BBC kept telling me all roads in Kent were closed :(
I refused to go in for #2 daughter two years later. Home birth and
that daughter had one two years ago too :)
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2018-10-31 19:31:53 UTC
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Reminds me of having to spend 10 days in hospital after the birth of d#1 in
1979. I belief so called 'domino' birth plans (max 2 days) were being
trialed at the time but not for 1st borns and not at the hospital I was
booked into.
I think I was only in for 2 or 3 days when d#2 arrived at a different
hospital 6 years later. Although it was touch and go on account of heavy
snow and the wretched BBC kept telling me all roads in Kent were closed :(
I refused to go in for #2 daughter two years later. Home birth and
that daughter had one two years ago too :)
I wanted a home birth with my second pregnancy but subsequent complications
had me booking in at Lewisham hospital (much too far from home) at 7 months
and a sad outcome. This meant it wasn't on the cards for d#2 and she was
born in Lewisham - as a result of the previous complications and their
specialism - having had to drive up there twice a week for treatment. That
was an unpleasant and tiring 7 months :(
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BrritSki
2018-10-31 13:14:28 UTC
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The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August.  Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
Good luck, let me know how it goes, I'm hoping that I can elect for the
same the next time mine plays up.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-10-31 15:47:46 UTC
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The first visit on Monday was to put in train work to be done on my
hands next year.
I was wondering what this "train work" they were going to be putting in
- is that something like laying tracks? Then the penny dropped.
Post by krw
The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August. Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
Hope all goes well. Make the most of your recovery time!
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Chris McMillan
2018-11-02 15:12:56 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
What will they be doing? And all the best for it.
The first visit on Monday was to put in train work to be done on my
hands next year.
The visit on Friday is to remove the gall bladder which erupted
painfully in Rostok in August. Hopefully I will be home on Saturday at
the latest and then 2 weeks to recover.
That’s a lot less trouble than mum in law in the 1990s. Six seeks recovery
and definitely more than an overnight stay.

Sincerely Chris
Chris McMillan
2018-10-31 19:11:07 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
Glad you are all keeping the noise down before I visit the second
hospital of the week. This time they will actually be doing something.
Everyhing crossed you’re back with us soon!

Sincerely Chris (FeedlinesRUs)
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2018-10-31 13:41:31 UTC
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Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
And temporary Bulgariarats. 27 here yesterday and 28 the day before.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-10-31 15:48:40 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
And temporary Bulgariarats. 27 here yesterday and 28 the day before.
Phew whatta scorcher - or does temporary Bulgaria still work in
Fahrenheit?
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2018-10-31 18:50:58 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
And temporary Bulgariarats. 27 here yesterday and 28 the day before.
Phew whatta scorcher - or does temporary Bulgaria still work in
Fahrenheit?
No, it’s a scorcher. And a big surprise: it was cool and damp this time
last year and snowed on the day I left.

Locals tell me they had a cool, damp British summer this year and we got
their hot, dry one in exchange.
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2018-10-31 18:27:33 UTC
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Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
And temporary Bulgariarats. 27 here yesterday and 28 the day before.
You wouldn't think there were so many umrats in Bulgaria, would you?
Most gratifying, even if one left yesterday.
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2018-11-02 15:12:58 UTC
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<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
And temporary Bulgariarats. 27 here yesterday and 28 the day before.
Have you found Great Uncle Bulgaria yet?

Sincerely Chris
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<church bell>
Indeed! Howl of cold wind, too, seems appropriate at the moment (though
not quite snow, except for Spainrats!)
And temporary Bulgariarats. 27 here yesterday and 28 the day before.
Have you found Great Uncle Bulgaria yet?
Sincerely Chris
No, only Baba Evgenia.
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2018-10-30 19:58:22 UTC
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You do realise that some of us still have jobs that we're required to
show up for on a fairly regular basis. And parental units that
require intermittent attention. I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
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2018-10-30 21:15:38 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
You do realise that some of us still have jobs that we're required to
show up for on a fairly regular basis. And parental units that
require intermittent attention. I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
I was responding about TA on fb where ther are lots of posts and I had
grandkids last week and this as grandson has 2 weeks off.
Nick Odell
2018-10-30 23:13:42 UTC
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You do realise that some of us still have jobs that we're required to
show up for on a fairly regular basis. And parental units that
require intermittent attention. I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
Have you suggested to her that, if she really must stream the Parliament
channel through her laptop then she ought not throw things at the
politicians she sees on there?

Nick
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2018-10-30 23:25:50 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
You do realise that some of us still have jobs that we're required to
show up for on a fairly regular basis. And parental units that require
intermittent attention. I've just been ordering the third replacement
laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
Have you suggested to her that, if she really must stream the Parliament
channel through her laptop then she ought not throw things at the
politicians she sees on there?
Excellent :-)
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2018-10-31 00:01:07 UTC
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<tumbleweed>
<church bell>
You do realise that some of us still have jobs that we're required to
show up for on a fairly regular basis. And parental units that
require intermittent attention. I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
Have you suggested to her that, if she really must stream the Parliament
channel through her laptop then she ought not throw things at the
politicians she sees on there?
I'm happy for you to make that suggestion to her! ;-)
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2018-10-31 08:38:03 UTC
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I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
What sort of damage? I had to replace my laptop screen after I spilt
ginger-beer on it, it crept around the edges.

Hmm, summing up, it has had a replacement screen, a replacement
bluetooth module, several hard-drives, a replacement keyboard, and there
is an extra hard-drive in the dvd-drive slot. Most of it is original but
only just.
Mike
2018-10-31 09:00:38 UTC
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I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
What sort of damage? I had to replace my laptop screen after I spilt
ginger-beer on it, it crept around the edges.
Hmm, summing up, it has had a replacement screen, a replacement
bluetooth module, several hard-drives, a replacement keyboard, and there
is an extra hard-drive in the dvd-drive slot. Most of it is original but
only just.
This actual spade belonged to my g,g,g,g,g, grandfather; it has had 3 new
handles and 2 new spade bases.....
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2018-10-31 20:22:09 UTC
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I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
What sort of damage? I had to replace my laptop screen after I spilt
ginger-beer on it, it crept around the edges.
I assume some kind of percussive damage. She seems quite good at
either dropping it on something or something on it.

I'm going to start making her pay for the repairs [1]. The screens
are £64 a time and she might actually pay attention if it's costing
her hard cash.

[1] The first one I paid for for Mothers' Day. The second one, I got
Pa to pay for [2]
[2] That's the benefit of being a co-account holder!
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2018-10-31 10:11:45 UTC
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You do realise that some of us still have jobs that we're required to
show up for on a fairly regular basis. And parental units that
require intermittent attention. I've just been ordering the third
replacement laptop screen of the year for Ma's machine.
I take it she drops it a lot. How much have these screens cost? Would a
ruggedised PC work out cheaper? I don't know what they cost new; I tried
just putting "toughbook" into ebay, and there are lots at very low
prices. I even tried clicking the "Windows 7" button at the top, but
there are still lots. I tried looking at one, and OK, it was only 2G and
an 80G hard drive, but then it was 15 yes fifteen pounds ...
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Sorry, I've been fettling my broomstick and herding cats.
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Sorry, I've been fettling my broomstick and herding cats.
LOL

Sincerely Chris
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