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Jenny M Benson
2020-01-26 16:54:39 UTC
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When viewing, for eg, Census images on the Ancestry site one has the
option to "Save image". Before the Great Hard Disk Failure of 2019, when
I selected this option the image would automatically open in IrfanView.
Now when I chose "Save image" the image opens in a new Chrome tab.

Can anyrat remind me how I had previously set up the preferred behaviour
of opening in IrfanView?
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Wrexham, UK
Flop
2020-01-26 21:27:12 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
When viewing, for eg, Census images on the Ancestry site one has the
option to "Save image". Before the Great Hard Disk Failure of 2019, when
I selected this option the image would automatically open in IrfanView.
Now when I chose "Save image" the image opens in a new Chrome tab.
Can anyrat remind me how I had previously set up the preferred behaviour
of opening in IrfanView?
I dont know what system (Windows?) you use; what suffix Ancestry Image
has (.jpg) or what IrFanView needs.

But as a general Windows rule:

a) Right click on the 'Start' (4 windows) icon in the bottom left
b) Select 'Apps and features'
c) click on 'Default Apps'
d) Scroll all the way down to 'chose Default applications by file type'
e) Find the appropriate suffix for Ancestry Image
f) Click on the item and either select IrfanView or find it in either of
the C: program folders
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-01-26 23:06:14 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
When viewing, for eg, Census images on the Ancestry site one has the
option to "Save image". Before the Great Hard Disk Failure of 2019,
I'm in Ancestry now, at the result of a search in the 1871 census. If I
click "View Image" in one of the hits, an image of the census page
opens, still within the browser. There's a "Save v" button (where v is a
down-arrow). If I click that, I get
Save to person in your tree
Save to <your computer>...
Save to <your Shoebox>
(where the bits in <> are bold). If I click the middle one (the other
two do things within Ancestry), I get chrome's normal "Save As" window
asking where to save it to (I have Chrome set to always ask).

I hadn't spotted the "Save v" button before (probably too big!), so if I
download images how _I_ normally do, which is click on the
crossed-hammer-and-spanner icon then select Download from the list that
appears, I get the same. (BUT - see below.)
Post by Flop
Post by Jenny M Benson
when I selected this option the image would automatically open in
IrfanView. Now when I chose "Save image" the image opens in a new
Chrome tab.
Is that from the tab where you can already see the image? If from a
previous one, I don't see "Save image" - I see "View image" where they
have one (see above) - which clicking open it in the _same_ tab.
Post by Flop
Post by Jenny M Benson
Can anyrat remind me how I had previously set up the preferred
behaviour of opening in IrfanView?
I dont know what system (Windows?) you use; what suffix Ancestry Image
has (.jpg) or what IrFanView needs.
.jpg, at least for census images (I think for all images). IrfanView can
view most image formats (and has a fair stab at opening unspecified
ones, or even ones with wrong extensions). But AFAIK it only views
images on the local disk (though that can include ones _temporarily_
downloaded). (The mention of IrfanView makes me think JMB _is_ using
Windows - I don't _think_ it's available in other flavours.)
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I wonder: before the Great Disc Failure, might you have been using
Firefox rather than chrome? In my ancient version of Firefox (27), but
possibly in later versions too: when you get to the point of downloading
an image (by either of the methods above - the "Save v" button or the
tools|Download one), *Firefox* gives me a small popup window saying "You
have chosen to open <filename.jpg>", then two options: 'Open with
[dropdown list, initially showing - in my case "IrfanView 32-bit
(default]'); and, 'Save File'. There's also a tickbox "Do this
automatically for files like this from now on". I wondered if, in the
past, you'd selected the "Open with" option, and ticked the "always do
this" box - which would mean whenever you downloaded a .jpg from then
on, Firefox would (download it into a temporary directory and then) open
it in IrfanView.

(I've had a look, and AFAICS chrome doesn't have an option like that:
when you get to the point of downloading an image, it just pops up the
"Save As" box [or just saves it if you've chosen that option]. But it
might well have an "Open with" option: I don't find chrome's settings
menu at all intuitive.)

HTH - John
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Penny
2020-01-27 09:19:44 UTC
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:06:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I wonder: before the Great Disc Failure, might you have been using
Firefox rather than chrome? In my ancient version of Firefox (27), but
possibly in later versions too: when you get to the point of downloading
an image (by either of the methods above - the "Save v" button or the
tools|Download one), *Firefox* gives me a small popup window saying "You
have chosen to open <filename.jpg>", then two options: 'Open with
[dropdown list, initially showing - in my case "IrfanView 32-bit
(default]'); and, 'Save File'. There's also a tickbox "Do this
automatically for files like this from now on". I wondered if, in the
past, you'd selected the "Open with" option, and ticked the "always do
this" box - which would mean whenever you downloaded a .jpg from then
on, Firefox would (download it into a temporary directory and then) open
it in IrfanView.
Ooo, that sounds familiar to me. I gave up on Firefox some years back for
reasons I can not now recall.
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krw
2020-01-27 12:57:58 UTC
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I gave up on Firefox some years back for
reasons I can not now recall.
It annoys me that I have one website service which only runs on Internet
Explorer but many other things I might open using that browser tell me
that they don't work on unsupported browsers.

Then when I want to listen to a Southampton game I want to use the
stream which the club provide on their website, which for some reason
refuses to work in Firefox but will work on Chrome.

Edge does not seem to do anything useful.
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Jenny M Benson
2020-01-27 10:47:26 UTC
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I'm in Ancestry now, at the result of a search in the 1871 census. If I
click "View Image" in one of the hits, an image of the census page
opens, still within the browser. There's a "Save v" button (where v is a
down-arrow). If I click that, I get
Save to person in your tree
Save to <your computer>...
Save to <your Shoebox>
(where the bits in <> are bold). If I click the middle one (the other
two do things within Ancestry), I get chrome's normal "Save As" window
asking where to save it to (I have Chrome set to always ask).
That's the one! I don't get the "Save As" window - I get the image
opening in a new Chrome tab. From there I can right-click, select Save
image as ... and I will get the Save As window. Once saved, the image
*will* open automagically in IV because I have ticked "Always open
images of this type" as you mentioned, re Firefox, Jpeg.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't spotted the "Save v" button before (probably too big!), so if I
download images how _I_ normally do, which is click on the
crossed-hammer-and-spanner icon then select Download from the list that
appears, I get the same. (BUT - see below.)
I hadn't tried that before but I just did - and the image didn't
download, it opened in a new Chrome tab!
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Flop
I dont know what system (Windows?) you use; what suffix Ancestry Image
has (.jpg) or what IrFanView needs.
Yes, Jpeg is right - Window, JPG and IV is working as expected
everywhere else.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I wonder: before the Great Disc Failure, might you have been using
Firefox rather than chrome?
No, definitely not.

I wondered if this could, in any way, be connected to the other problem
I am having with Ancestry (with which I won't bore Umra, but I think you
will be aware of it, Jpeg). Initial Ancestry Help person said she could
reproduce it and has passed it on to more expert Help; nothing more
heard yet.
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Wrexham, UK
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-01-27 11:17:53 UTC
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In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Jenny M Benson
<***@hotmail.co.uk> writes:
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
down-arrow). If I click that, I get
Save to person in your tree
Save to <your computer>...
Save to <your Shoebox>
(where the bits in <> are bold). If I click the middle one (the other
two do things within Ancestry), I get chrome's normal "Save As" window
asking where to save it to (I have Chrome set to always ask).
That's the one! I don't get the "Save As" window - I get the image
opening in a new Chrome tab. From there I can right-click, select Save
Hmm, that does sound as if it's a chrome setting. (But who knows what
excessive scripting Ancestry are using. FWIW, in both my fairly
up-to-date chrome and in my old Firefox 27, I _do_ get the "Save As"
[well, see below for Firefox].)
Post by Jenny M Benson
image as ... and I will get the Save As window. Once saved, the image
*will* open automagically in IV because I have ticked "Always open
images of this type" as you mentioned, re Firefox, Jpeg.
Though you're referring to Windows' own open-with mechanism rather than
the Firefox one, I think.
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I hadn't spotted the "Save v" button before (probably too big!), so if I
download images how _I_ normally do, which is click on the
crossed-hammer-and-spanner icon then select Download from the list that
appears, I get the same. (BUT - see below.)
I hadn't tried that before but I just did - and the image didn't
download, it opened in a new Chrome tab!
I'm not surprised )-:.
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I wonder: before the Great Disc Failure, might you have been using
Firefox rather than chrome?
No, definitely not.
Oh. Loading Image... is the Firefox popup I was
referring to (which Penny thought she recognised). [Ignore the bit of
the bitmeter2 window it captured.] It puts the dot on whichever option
you selected last time, but you can always easily change it. [I don't
usually tick "Do this automatically ... from now on" boxes, as I always
fear I'll never be able to find where to undo such a selection.]
Post by Jenny M Benson
I wondered if this could, in any way, be connected to the other problem
I am having with Ancestry (with which I won't bore Umra, but I think
you will be aware of it, Jpeg). Initial Ancestry Help person said she
could reproduce it and has passed it on to more expert Help; nothing
more heard yet.
I have manifold problems with Ancestry; I only continue with them
because they have a monopoly on some records (same with FindMyPast,
though I have fewer problems with them). The most prominent Ancestry one
I can think of at the moment is that it sometimes misreports counties in
search result lists where it is someone's tree, though if the hit is
actually gone into it's shown correctly - is that the one you mean?
(Feel free to email.)
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A. Thank you so much for asking your question.
Are you still having this problem? I'll be delighted to help you. Please
restate the problem twice and include your Windows version along with
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Jenny M Benson
2020-01-27 12:32:21 UTC
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Problem solved!

Having tried Searching with various difference keywords I finally found
a forum where someone had reported exactly the same problem (although
with IE, not Chrome) on his wife's computer, but not on his own. He
eventually noticed that the middle option behind the SAVE button his HIS
computer was "Save to your computer", whereas on his wife's it was "Save
image."

Apparently this is all to do with screen resolution. When my computer
went to hospital I had said something about not being "bothered about
the large size because I don't see so well these days." That is
possibly why it was returned to me with the screen resolution set at
1024x768.

I have upped it to 1280x768 (a more or less arbitrary choice) and am now
getting "Save to your computer" as an option and sure enough, the image
opens in IrfanView. I never would have guessed at that being the problem.

Sorry to have wasted everyone's time.

(Jpeg, the other prob is that Search Results are not displaying if I
choose a vague category like "Census and Electoral Rolls" - it says
there are n reults, but then no text. I have to make a specific
selection such as "1841 England Census". Just found the same happens
with my laptop, but others don't experience it, so it looks as though it
must be something to do with my account.)
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Wrexham, UK
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-01-27 13:13:57 UTC
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Problem solved!
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Apparently this is all to do with screen resolution. When my computer
went to hospital I had said something about not being "bothered about
the large size because I don't see so well these days." That is
possibly why it was returned to me with the screen resolution set at
1024x768.
I have upped it to 1280x768 (a more or less arbitrary choice) and am
now getting "Save to your computer" as an option and sure enough, the
Unless you're using a CRT monitor, your monitor (certainly if it's a
laptop) will have a "native resolution", which it's best to use: if you
don't, blurring will be _increased_, as the pixels won't line up
(individual pixels from the computer will spread across two or more on
the monitor - and in a way that varies across the screen, giving
"beats"). Also, if it's really 1280 × 768, then using 1024 × 768 won't
make things bigger - you'll just get distortion, as the aspect ratio
will be wrong - like watching old material on a widescreen TV set to
always fill the screen (old material should be "pillarboxed" unless
you're happy for everyone to look short and fat).

If using the right resolution makes things too small, there are better
ways to fix things - email me separately if you like (I'd even do a
TeamViewer session!), but off the top of my head icon size (and
spacing), icon font size, and general font size.
Post by Jenny M Benson
image opens in IrfanView. I never would have guessed at that being the
problem.
I'm surprised (it means Ancestry know what resolution you're using), but
not completely: the genealogy software I use (Brother's Keeper) works
differently in different resolutions, in ways not always expectable.
Post by Jenny M Benson
Sorry to have wasted everyone's time.
No, it was interesting!
Post by Jenny M Benson
(Jpeg, the other prob is that Search Results are not displaying if I
choose a vague category like "Census and Electoral Rolls" - it says
there are n reults, but then no text. I have to make a specific
selection such as "1841 England Census". Just found the same happens
with my laptop, but others don't experience it, so it looks as though
it must be something to do with my account.)
Oh. No, haven't seen that one (though I rarely use vague categories on
either A or FMP). I thought it might be the county funny: if you search
(for example) Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
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Jenny M Benson
2020-01-27 15:06:14 UTC
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your monitor (certainly if it's a
I have both lapdog and desky but it is the latter which had the problem.

Also, if it's really 1280 × 768, then using 1024 × 768 won't
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
make things bigger
No! Things (text, anyway) is a lot smaller. But I can cope: I use
Ctrl-+ to enlarge when necessary.

I thought it might be the county funny: if you search
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
(for example) Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England.
Oh, I get worse than that - all sorts of foreign places!
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Wrexham, UK
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-01-27 19:00:00 UTC
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your monitor (certainly if it's a
I have both lapdog and desky but it is the latter which had the problem.
Ah, so the external monitor. _Do_ you know what its native resolution
is? (It might say on the label on the back.)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Also, if it's really 1280 × 768, then using 1024 × 768 won't
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
make things bigger
No! Things (text, anyway) is a lot smaller. But I can cope: I use
That's odd; they should be the same height, just a little narrower. (I
presume it's a "widescreen" monitor, rather than a 4:3.)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Ctrl-+ to enlarge when necessary.
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on somebody's part." "We're just the guys to do it." Eric "Otter" Stratton (Tim
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Penny
2020-01-28 17:09:11 UTC
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Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.

<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.

It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Mike
2020-01-28 17:20:10 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
In a similar vein, my late father’s names are Reginald Thomas Mortimer
Christopher; I know this for I signed his death certificate in the
horsepiddal on the day. In subsequent paperwork, names have been placed in
a different order and one frequently omitted altogether.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-02-02 23:32:15 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
As far as I know Trowbridge, Wilts, would never have been in Dorset and I
don’t think there is a Trowbridge in Dorset. Perhaps they should try
finding their erroneous info plus a post-code.
Sincerely Chris
Hartley, Westmoreland and Hartley, Northumberland aren't just a matter
of moving borders - the two counties never touched. I think Ancestry's
error is just because there may have been a Hartley in each.
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Mike
2020-02-03 08:26:01 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
As far as I know Trowbridge, Wilts, would never have been in Dorset and I
don’t think there is a Trowbridge in Dorset. Perhaps they should try
finding their erroneous info plus a post-code.
Sincerely Chris
Hartley, Westmoreland and Hartley, Northumberland aren't just a matter
of moving borders - the two counties never touched. I think Ancestry's
error is just because there may have been a Hartley in each.
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
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krw
2020-02-03 11:33:51 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
As far as I know Trowbridge, Wilts, would never have been in Dorset and I
don’t think there is a Trowbridge in Dorset. Perhaps they should try
finding their erroneous info plus a post-code.
Sincerely Chris
Hartley, Westmoreland and Hartley, Northumberland aren't just a matter
of moving borders - the two counties never touched. I think Ancestry's
error is just because there may have been a Hartley in each.
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Paul Herber
2020-02-03 12:16:04 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
As far as I know Trowbridge, Wilts, would never have been in Dorset and I
don’t think there is a Trowbridge in Dorset. Perhaps they should try
finding their erroneous info plus a post-code.
Sincerely Chris
Hartley, Westmoreland and Hartley, Northumberland aren't just a matter
of moving borders - the two counties never touched. I think Ancestry's
error is just because there may have been a Hartley in each.
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR Hartley Wintney Houston.
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krw
2020-02-03 13:30:33 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
As far as I know Trowbridge, Wilts, would never have been in Dorset and I
don’t think there is a Trowbridge in Dorset. Perhaps they should try
finding their erroneous info plus a post-code.
Sincerely Chris
Hartley, Westmoreland and Hartley, Northumberland aren't just a matter
of moving borders - the two counties never touched. I think Ancestry's
error is just because there may have been a Hartley in each.
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
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2020-02-03 20:12:33 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:13:57 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Public Member Trees for Hannah Stephenson born 1874 father
Isaac, it'll show results showing born Hartley Westmoreland England; if
you then click on one of those, it'll show (correctly) that she was born
in Hartley, Northumberland, England. But people, understandably, copy
from the first screen (as it's obviously the right person from other
details shown), so the error propagates.
Hm, maybe that's what has happened with my father's birth record. He was
born in Melksham, Wiltshire - the birth was probably registered in
Trowbridge, also in Wiltshire. Yet I found a record somewhere which said he
was born in Trowbridge, Dorset.
<light bulb> probably an inept relative (I think I can guess who) who was
confusing my father's family with my mother's who had various relatives in
Dorset over the years.
It's always fascinating when you come across someone who has made stuff up
to match their half-remembered family history - wrong names, wrong number
of offspring etc. Some of them are not happy if you point this out...
As far as I know Trowbridge, Wilts, would never have been in Dorset and I
don’t think there is a Trowbridge in Dorset. Perhaps they should try
finding their erroneous info plus a post-code.
Sincerely Chris
Hartley, Westmoreland and Hartley, Northumberland aren't just a matter
of moving borders - the two counties never touched. I think Ancestry's
error is just because there may have been a Hartley in each.
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley

and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
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steveski
2020-02-04 00:35:11 UTC
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Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
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Sally Thompson
2020-02-04 08:24:52 UTC
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Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
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Penny
2020-02-04 09:32:52 UTC
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There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
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Mike
2020-02-04 12:54:31 UTC
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On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
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There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3974
That transgresses the lateral elevation convergence rule as well as being
in knipp on weekdays!
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Mike
2020-02-04 14:26:28 UTC
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On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3974
That transgresses the lateral elevation convergence rule as well as being
in knipp on weekdays!
But today is the first Wednesday of the month and has a W in it.
You have now flouted the weekday transposition rule thus placed all
movement south of the river in dubious placement - you will need to invoke
the Johnson and Pearl re-allocation gambit to restore equilibrium.
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Penny
2020-02-04 17:02:49 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Penny
On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3974
That transgresses the lateral elevation convergence rule as well as being
in knipp on weekdays!
But today is the first Wednesday of the month and has a W in it.
You have now flouted the weekday transposition rule thus placed all
movement south of the river in dubious placement - you will need to invoke
the Johnson and Pearl re-allocation gambit to restore equilibrium.
This is very odd, none of Vicky's posts have shown up here today yet.
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Serena Blanchflower
2020-02-04 17:30:09 UTC
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This is very odd, none of Vicky's posts have shown up here today yet.
They haven't arrived here, either :( Are you, like me, on the Plusnet
news server?
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they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage.
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Penny
2020-02-06 09:31:38 UTC
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 17:30:09 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Penny
This is very odd, none of Vicky's posts have shown up here today yet.
They haven't arrived here, either :( Are you, like me, on the Plusnet
news server?
I'm on the Berlin one
This one has just arrived*, as have those related to Mornington Crescent.

*meaning it wasn't provided around 9pm yesterday - this is my first 'fetch'
of the day.
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Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Serena Blanchflower
2020-02-06 09:48:51 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 17:30:09 +0000, Serena Blanchflower
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Penny
This is very odd, none of Vicky's posts have shown up here today yet.
They haven't arrived here, either :( Are you, like me, on the Plusnet
news server?
I'm on the Berlin one
This one has just arrived*, as have those related to Mornington Crescent.
*meaning it wasn't provided around 9pm yesterday - this is my first 'fetch'
of the day.
It still hasn't reached here :(
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Be kind whenever possible. It's always possible (Dalai Lama)
Mike
2020-02-04 17:40:16 UTC
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On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3974
That transgresses the lateral elevation convergence rule as well as being
in knipp on weekdays!
But today is the first Wednesday of the month and has a W in it.
You have now flouted the weekday transposition rule thus placed all
movement south of the river in dubious placement - you will need to invoke
the Johnson and Pearl re-allocation gambit to restore equilibrium.
This is very odd, none of Vicky's posts have shown up here today yet.
Power failure on the underground?
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Toodle Pip
Sid Nuncius
2020-02-04 18:59:43 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Penny
On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3974
That transgresses the lateral elevation convergence rule as well as being
in knipp on weekdays!
But today is the first Wednesday of the month and has a W in it.
You have now flouted the weekday transposition rule thus placed all
movement south of the river in dubious placement - you will need to invoke
the Johnson and Pearl re-allocation gambit to restore equilibrium.
This is very odd, none of Vicky's posts have shown up here today yet.
Of course they haven't. She's in knipp.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-02-04 16:44:43 UTC
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On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3974
Be prepared: http://bit.ly/2UA6PfR
Post by Mike
That transgresses the lateral elevation convergence rule as well as being
in knipp on weekdays!
But today is the first Wednesday of the month and has a W in it.
There was considerable chatter on Twitter (twittering?) about Sunday
being a rare international palindrome date. (I. e. in all four formats.)
--
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Sally Thompson
2020-02-04 15:55:26 UTC
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On 4 Feb 2020 08:24:52 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
Of course there is
<https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2057685>
Oh! What larks.
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Sally Thompson
2020-02-04 15:55:26 UTC
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Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
They might ask if you are applying for a job there!
And just what are you implying sir?
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Mike
2020-02-04 16:14:42 UTC
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Post by Mike
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
There's a village we go past on our way to Gobowen called Knockin. I've
always wanted to go there and ask if there's a Knockin shop.
They might ask if you are applying for a job there!
And just what are you implying sir?
Nothing Miss - honestly, I promise!
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Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-02-04 08:37:02 UTC
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I have an old school friend from near Nempnet Thrubwell.
Mike
2020-02-04 08:44:17 UTC
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I have an old school friend from near Nempnett Thrubwell.
And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
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2020-02-04 10:05:27 UTC
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And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
That's not unusual - the National Trust are quite diligent about
signage, I think.
I do wish that the Royal National Theatre would get its head out of its
backside and call itself the Royal National Theatre or RNT. It is
surely lèse-majesté not to do so? No wonder Meghan departed.
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BrritSki
2020-02-04 10:16:20 UTC
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And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
That's not unusual - the National Trust are quite diligent about
signage, I think.
I do wish that the Royal National Theatre would get its head out of its
backside and call itself the Royal National Theatre or RNT.  It is
surely lèse-majesté not to do so?  No wonder Meghan departed.
It's a bit mush to suggest she's a lèser.
That phase will come after her 5th divorce.

Whatever happened to them btw ? Don;t hear much about them these days...
Sid Nuncius
2020-02-04 19:00:25 UTC
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And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
That's not unusual - the National Trust are quite diligent about
signage, I think.
I do wish that the Royal National Theatre would get its head out of
its backside and call itself the Royal National Theatre or RNT.  It is
surely lèse-majesté not to do so?  No wonder Meghan departed.
It's a bit mush to suggest she's a lèser.
That phase will come after her 5th divorce.
Whatever happened to them btw ?  Don;t hear much about them these days...
They're living happily ever after, obviously.
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2020-02-04 10:10:22 UTC
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And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
That's not unusual - the National Trust are quite diligent about
signage, I think.
:-)
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Rosalind Mitchell
2020-02-04 22:59:24 UTC
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I have an old school friend from near Nempnett Thrubwell.
And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
It's a fair old step from Didcot. From Stanton Drew I would understand.
I once created a character called Stanton Drew. Bit of a shady
character, like the dodgy brief Preston Mariott QC.

R
Chris McMillan
2020-02-06 22:00:04 UTC
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I have an old school friend from near Nempnett Thrubwell.
And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
It's a fair old step from Didcot. From Stanton Drew I would understand.
I once created a character called Stanton Drew. Bit of a shady
character, like the dodgy brief Preston Mariott QC.
R
Yup. The other arm on the post I can’t even remember it’s name. But it’s
not local to here.

Sincerely Chris
Chris McMillan
2020-02-06 22:00:04 UTC
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I have an old school friend from near Nempnett Thrubwell.
And there is a signpost at the Didcot Railway Centre for NT.
Yes we do have a photo!

Sincerely Chris
Mike
2020-02-04 14:56:09 UTC
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Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
I think that is a wonderful name. I wish I were a Paul Nempnett-Thrubwell. But I shall, at
weekends! One of the Hampshire Nempnett-Thrubwells don't you know.
The crux of the matter is.... do you thrub well?
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2020-02-04 15:35:11 UTC
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Post by Mike
Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
I think that is a wonderful name. I wish I were a Paul Nempnett-Thrubwell. But I shall, at
weekends! One of the Hampshire Nempnett-Thrubwells don't you know.
The crux of the matter is.... do you thrub well?
Nemp-nyett
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2020-02-04 20:14:38 UTC
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My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
I'd hate to be an inhabitant of a place with that sort of name.

You're away from home and get stopped by the Police.

"Where are you from?"
"Nempnett Thrubwell."
"Right Smart @rse! You're nicked!"
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BrritSki
2020-02-06 10:07:07 UTC
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My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
I think that is a wonderful name. I wish I were a Paul Nempnett-Thrubwell. But I shall, at
weekends! One of the Hampshire Nempnett-Thrubwells don't you know.
I think you might quickly tire of spelling it for people. It's not too bad
with a short name. I was a bit baffled, as a child, whenever I heard my
mother say "Hill, aitch I double-el" - how else would you spell it?
Haitch eye ell ell. HaithTHaitch HainthAND

PS I Haitchate that pronunciation :(
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2020-02-06 13:59:17 UTC
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My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
I think that is a wonderful name. I wish I were a Paul
Nempnett-Thrubwell. But I shall, at
weekends! One of the Hampshire Nempnett-Thrubwells don't you know.
I think you might quickly tire of spelling it for people. It's not too bad
Or an unusual one (and/or one pronounced slightly unexpectedly); I have
to say "with a G" (we pronounce it Ji-, as about half the Gillivers in
the world do), and used to "like Gulliver but with an i", though that
latter less so now as the Travel's book is less well-known (and
computers have made things stick). We sometimes used to just let -u-
slide, but in the Dortmund garrison there _was_ also a Mrs. Gulliver.
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Post by Penny
with a short name. I was a bit baffled, as a child, whenever I heard my
mother say "Hill, aitch I double-el" - how else would you spell it?
Haitch eye ell ell. HaithTHaitch HainthAND
Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
Post by BrritSki
PS I Haitchate that pronunciation :(
Indeed. It's "aitch" - no H. (Another one that bugs me - often people
I'd otherwise enjoy listening to, like Jan Leeming - is "an hotel". I
was always taught you only put the n on when the h isn't pronounced [as
in "half an hour"]. [I'm pleased to see Turnpike's spell checker has
objected to "an hotel", too.])
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Radio Times 10-16 November 2012
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2020-02-06 16:29:25 UTC
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with a short name. I was a bit baffled, as a child, whenever I heard my
mother say "Hill, aitch I double-el" - how else would you spell it?
Haitch eye ell ell.  HaithTHaitch HainthAND
Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
It should be there next to the "Any" key.
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Mike
2020-02-06 17:39:31 UTC
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with a short name. I was a bit baffled, as a child, whenever I heard my
mother say "Hill, aitch I double-el" - how else would you spell it?
Haitch eye ell ell.  HaithTHaitch HainthAND
Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
It should be there next to the "Any" key.
That in turn is on the opposite side to the ‘Any Other’ Key.
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Chris J Dixon
2020-02-06 19:45:06 UTC
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Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
Indeed. I have been listening to Chris Evans' new programme for a
year now, and I haven't been able to understand his version of
their phone number in all that time. Checking online I see it is
0333 0033300
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
PS I Haitchate that pronunciation :(
YANAOU. ISTMT those who incorrectly insist on adding an "H" to
aitch are often those who would be most likely to drop an "H" on
other words in normal conversation.

Chris
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2020-02-06 20:11:06 UTC
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Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
(Yes, I typed that.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
Indeed. I have been listening to Chris Evans' new programme for a
year now, and I haven't been able to understand his version of
their phone number in all that time. Checking online I see it is
0333 0033300
I can just imagine how a "doubler" would read that out. Have you
considered telling him/them, rather than us? (Received wisdom is that,
these days, you have to do it by Twitter and/or Facebook to get
through.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
PS I Haitchate that pronunciation :(
(I didn't type that, though I certainly agreed with it.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
YANAOU. ISTMT those who incorrectly insist on adding an "H" to
aitch are often those who would be most likely to drop an "H" on
other words in normal conversation.
Eliza Doolittle, near the beginning of the play and film: "In 'ertford,
'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen." (With the H
pronounced with vigour!) OK, a comic character, but a grain of truth ...
Post by Chris J Dixon
Chris
John
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Mike
2020-02-07 08:48:34 UTC
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Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
(Yes, I typed that.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
Indeed. I have been listening to Chris Evans' new programme for a
year now, and I haven't been able to understand his version of
their phone number in all that time. Checking online I see it is
0333 0033300
I can just imagine how a "doubler" would read that out. Have you
considered telling him/them, rather than us? (Received wisdom is that,
these days, you have to do it by Twitter and/or Facebook to get
through.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
PS I Haitchate that pronunciation :(
(I didn't type that, though I certainly agreed with it.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
YANAOU. ISTMT those who incorrectly insist on adding an "H" to
aitch are often those who would be most likely to drop an "H" on
other words in normal conversation.
Eliza Doolittle, near the beginning of the play and film: "In 'ertford,
'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen." (With the H
pronounced with vigour!) OK, a comic character, but a grain of truth ...
Post by Chris J Dixon
Chris
John
I ate it when people do that!
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Chris McMillan
2020-02-07 09:53:22 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
(Yes, I typed that.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
Indeed. I have been listening to Chris Evans' new programme for a
year now, and I haven't been able to understand his version of
their phone number in all that time. Checking online I see it is
0333 0033300
I can just imagine how a "doubler" would read that out. Have you
considered telling him/them, rather than us? (Received wisdom is that,
these days, you have to do it by Twitter and/or Facebook to get
through.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
PS I Haitchate that pronunciation :(
(I didn't type that, though I certainly agreed with it.)
Post by Chris J Dixon
YANAOU. ISTMT those who incorrectly insist on adding an "H" to
aitch are often those who would be most likely to drop an "H" on
other words in normal conversation.
Eliza Doolittle, near the beginning of the play and film: "In 'ertford,
'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen." (With the H
pronounced with vigour!) OK, a comic character, but a grain of truth ...
Post by Chris J Dixon
Chris
John
Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French pronounced
Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised Ellen?)

Sincerely Chris
Jenny M Benson
2020-02-07 15:57:01 UTC
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Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French pronounced
Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised Ellen?)
Which is why some (posh) people say "an 'otel". And I think "'erb",
rather than "herb" is quite common across the Pond.
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steveski
2020-02-07 17:19:39 UTC
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Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French
pronounced Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised
Ellen?)
Which is why some (posh) people say "an 'otel". And I think "'erb",
rather than "herb" is quite common across the Pond.
You don't have to be posh to say that (I say them and I'm not posh) just
'old school'.
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2020-02-07 18:37:34 UTC
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Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French
pronounced Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised
Ellen?)
Which is why some (posh) people say "an 'otel". And I think "'erb",
rather than "herb" is quite common across the Pond.
You don't have to be posh to say that (I say them and I'm not posh) just
'old school'.
I say an 'otel too, it's much easier than the stilted, breathy a hotel.
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BrritSki
2020-02-07 20:39:12 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Chris McMillan
Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French
pronounced Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised
Ellen?)
Which is why some (posh) people say "an 'otel". And I think "'erb",
rather than "herb" is quite common across the Pond.
You don't have to be posh to say that (I say them and I'm not posh) just
'old school'.
I say an 'otel too, it's much easier than the stilted, breathy a hotel.
H-H-Hancock's Half Hour
Jenny M Benson
2020-02-08 10:13:57 UTC
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Post by Chris McMillan
Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French
pronounced Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised
Ellen?)
Which is why some (posh) people say "an 'otel". And I think "'erb",
rather than "herb" is quite common across the Pond.
You don't have to be posh to say that (I say them and I'm not posh) just
'old school'.
I say an 'otel too, it's much easier than the stilted, breathy a hotel.
When I added "(posh)" it was because I was referring to people who don't
normally drop their aitches when speaking.
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2020-02-08 11:54:07 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Which is why some (posh) people say "an 'otel". And I think "'erb",
rather than "herb" is quite common across the Pond.
You don't have to be posh to say that (I say them and I'm not posh)
just 'old school'.
I say an 'otel too, it's much easier than the stilted, breathy a hotel.
When I added "(posh)" it was because I was referring to people who don't
normally drop their aitches when speaking.
I don't. (Drop my aitches, that is).
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Jenny M Benson
2020-02-08 19:39:09 UTC
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When I added "(posh)" it was because I was referring to people who don't
normally drop their aitches when speaking.
I don't. (Drop my aitches, that is).
So you're not- by your own claim - posh but posh enough to say "an hotel."!
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steveski
2020-02-08 21:47:10 UTC
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When I added "(posh)" it was because I was referring to people who
don't normally drop their aitches when speaking.
I don't. (Drop my aitches, that is).
So you're not- by your own claim - posh but posh enough to say "an hotel."!
I've been described as 'well spoken' but, no, I'm not posh :-)
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Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-02-08 22:20:49 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
Penny
2020-02-09 10:25:16 UTC
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Post by Tony Smith Gloucestershire
The oi polloi drop their aitches.
ITYM haitches.

In 'ertford, 'ereford, and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly hever 'appen.
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Anne B
2020-02-09 10:41:05 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
That's the correct Greek pronunciation. Well, almost. It's more like "ee
polee". But definitely no 'h' at the beginning of either word.

Anne B
Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-02-09 15:46:56 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
That's the correct Greek pronunciation. Well, almost. It's more like "ee
polee". But definitely no 'h' at the beginning of either word.
Yes, nowadays, but not in the days of Omer, Haristophanes or Erodotus
John Ashby
2020-02-09 10:58:10 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
Not in The Ukraine

john
Mike
2020-02-09 11:11:40 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
Not in The Ukraine
john
No, definitely not in The Ukraine, anywhere but there - it is very
delicate, stains easily and it is not leak proof, I SAID NOT IN THE UKR...
oh never mind.... here’s the mop.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-02-09 13:42:49 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
Not in The Ukraine
No, they're very tidy people.
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john
Was there a reason for all those blank lines?
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without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.
John Ashby
2020-02-09 14:16:44 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
Not in The Ukraine
No, they're very tidy people.
Post by John Ashby
john
Was there a reason for all those blank lines?
Conservation of spoiler space, now we're not required to/required not to
put it at the top of posts any more.

john
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2020-02-09 15:16:23 UTC
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The oi polloi drop their aitches.
Not in The Ukraine
No, they're very tidy people.
Post by John Ashby
john
Was there a reason for all those blank lines?
Conservation of spoiler space, now we're not required to/required not to
put it at the top of posts any more.
It's my belief that spoiler space, though infinite, should be used
conservatively. Using it in positions where it is both irrelevant and
unnecessary is just the sort of wastefulness which has ...contd page 94
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SODAM
2020-02-09 01:52:53 UTC
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When I added "(posh)" it was because I was referring to people who
don't normally drop their aitches when speaking.
I don't. (Drop my aitches, that is).
So you're not- by your own claim - posh but posh enough to say "an hotel."!
I've been described as 'well spoken' but, no, I'm not posh :-)
Being from Geordieland, I’ve never been accused of poshness but I say an
‘otel as well. “Old school” is more accurate IMO.
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Sid Nuncius
2020-02-08 07:53:14 UTC
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Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words. Our
friend, some of you met at a BBQ is spelt Helene, in French pronounced
Elene. So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised Ellen?)
Yes, that rings a belle.
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BrritSki
2020-02-08 08:35:42 UTC
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Yebbut the French don’t pronounce ‘H’ at the beginning of words.  Our
friend, some of you met  at a BBQ is spelt Helene,  in French pronounced
Elene.  So, Helen becomes Elen (or more easily recognised Ellen?)
Yes, that rings a belle.
What a poire...
Nick Odell
2020-02-08 15:26:32 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Thank you! I've never understood why people say "double" - especially
when giving 'phone numbers. I want to scream at the television/radio "my
Indeed. I have been listening to Chris Evans' new programme for a
year now, and I haven't been able to understand his version of
their phone number in all that time. Checking online I see it is
0333 0033300
I blame Peter Greenaway myself.

Nick
Penny
2020-02-06 23:46:04 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I have
to say "with a G" (we pronounce it Ji-, as about half the Gillivers in
the world do), and used to "like Gulliver but with an i", though that
latter less so now as the Travel's book is less well-known (and
computers have made things stick).
Erme... I'm now completely baffled.

I know how you pronounce your name but are you saying you also pronounce
Swft's Gulliver as Julliver or was that how you told people how it was
spelt - which surely made them pronounce it wrongly?
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
We sometimes used to just let -u-
slide, but in the Dortmund garrison there _was_ also a Mrs. Gulliver.
I've no idea what this means.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-02-07 04:56:19 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:59:17 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I have
to say "with a G" (we pronounce it Ji-, as about half the Gillivers in
the world do), and used to "like Gulliver but with an i", though that
latter less so now as the Travel's book is less well-known (and
computers have made things stick).
Erme... I'm now completely baffled.
I know how you pronounce your name but are you saying you also pronounce
Swft's Gulliver as Julliver or was that how you told people how it was
spelt - which surely made them pronounce it wrongly?
We'd say "Jilliver - like Gulliver but with an i".
Post by Penny
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
We sometimes used to just let -u-
slide, but in the Dortmund garrison there _was_ also a Mrs. Gulliver.
I've no idea what this means.
We sometimes didn't bother to correct people who spelt it Gulliver, as
neither was common, so we usually got our mail or whatever - but when
there _was_ a Gulliver locally, we obviously _did_ have to discriminate.
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Tony Smith Gloucestershire
2020-02-07 08:12:03 UTC
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We sometimes didn't bother to correct people who spelt it Gulliver, as
neither was common, so we usually got our mail or whatever - but when
there _was_ a Gulliver locally, we obviously _did_ have to discriminate.
I lived 12 years in Belfast where they cannot spell "Smith". However often I told them, they wrote "Smyth". They said it was a scottish version, but in my experience that spelling is not particularly common in Scotland.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-02-07 15:59:20 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
We sometimes didn't bother to correct people who spelt it Gulliver, as
neither was common, so we usually got our mail or whatever - but when
there _was_ a Gulliver locally, we obviously _did_ have to discriminate.
I lived 12 years in Belfast where they cannot spell "Smith". However
often I told them, they wrote "Smyth". They said it was a scottish
version, but in my experience that spelling is not particularly common
in Scotland.
Most recent census I have access to:

1911:
England & Wales 1911 - Smyth 3,703; Smith 643,796; Ireland (all one
until 1921!): Smyth 16487; Smith 15394.

1901:
England: Smyth 2,435; Smith 462,126; Scotland: Smith 63,786; Smyth 607;
Ireland (all one until 1921!): Smyth 16849; Smith 15203.

1939 register (very like a census):
England: Smyth 3,849; Smith: 521,053.

So in 1901, Scotland-living Sm?ths were about 1%, England about ½%;
whereas in Ireland, there were about the same of each, with the Smyths
slightly ahead. Proportions much the same in England and Ireland by
1911; by 1939 _slightly_ higher proportion in England than previously.

I didn't know Smyth was so common in Ireland. (I've never been, to
either part.) I always thought Smyth - or rather Smythe - was a posh
variant.

(The Irish censuses are free, though only the two [1901 and 1911] exist:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ .)
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Anne B
2020-02-08 18:50:45 UTC
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We sometimes didn't bother to correct people who spelt it Gulliver, as
neither was common, so we usually got our mail or whatever - but when
there _was_ a Gulliver locally, we obviously _did_ have to discriminate.
I lived 12 years in Belfast where they cannot spell "Smith". However often I told them, they wrote "Smyth". They said it was a scottish version, but in my experience that spelling is not particularly common in Scotland.
Fake information.

Scotland's People has 1,639,495 references to Smith and 26,861 to Smyth.
Or to put it another way, there are 61 Smiths to every Smyth.

Anne
Chris McMillan
2020-02-07 10:05:57 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:59:17 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I have
to say "with a G" (we pronounce it Ji-, as about half the Gillivers in
the world do), and used to "like Gulliver but with an i", though that
latter less so now as the Travel's book is less well-known (and
computers have made things stick).
Erme... I'm now completely baffled.
I know how you pronounce your name but are you saying you also pronounce
Swft's Gulliver as Julliver or was that how you told people how it was
spelt - which surely made them pronounce it wrongly?
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
We sometimes used to just let -u-
slide, but in the Dortmund garrison there _was_ also a Mrs. Gulliver.
I've no idea what this means.
We used to know a couple named Gulliver too. Both were visually impaired,
at least 20 yrs older than us.

Sincerely Chris
Mike
2020-02-07 10:45:40 UTC
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:59:17 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I have
to say "with a G" (we pronounce it Ji-, as about half the Gillivers in
the world do), and used to "like Gulliver but with an i", though that
latter less so now as the Travel's book is less well-known (and
computers have made things stick).
Erme... I'm now completely baffled.
I know how you pronounce your name but are you saying you also pronounce
Swft's Gulliver as Julliver or was that how you told people how it was
spelt - which surely made them pronounce it wrongly?
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
We sometimes used to just let -u-
slide, but in the Dortmund garrison there _was_ also a Mrs. Gulliver.
I've no idea what this means.
We used to know a couple named Gulliver too. Both were visually impaired,
at least 20 yrs older than us.
Sincerely Chris
Not a name that travels well...
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Do you have a Witney who will swear to that?
Houston we have a problem.
There is a village near here called Hartley Wintney. I call it JR
Hartley Wintney Houston.
There is indeed. Thank you for that. Although I find Nately Scures an
interesting name.
Up Nateley
and then there is Minley. But no snipers there ..
My favourite is Nempnett Thrubwell. I've always wanted there to be a
local paper called 'The Nempnett Thrubwell Scandaliser'.
Petroc Trelawney made our day a few weeks ago by including it in his daily
weather temperatures guide. I used to think McT was winding me up till he
showed me on a map.

Sincerely Chris
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2020-01-26 23:23:22 UTC
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When viewing, for eg, Census images on the Ancestry site one has the
option to "Save image". Before the Great Hard Disk Failure of 2019, when
I selected this option the image would automatically open in IrfanView.
Now when I chose "Save image" the image opens in a new Chrome tab.
Ancestry may well have changed its behaviour but not, I think, in the way
you describe. View Image always opened in a new tab for me - though it's
quite likely I asked it to, not wanting to lose the transcript on the page
I was on, which is easier to read. There used to be* a 'download' option on
the image page and clicking that would either automatically save to
documents or ask where to save it - depending on what you have set the
browser to do. Clicking on the file after download will open it in
irfanview.

If you are choosing 'Save image' does this mean you have right-clicked on
it first? IME you get a larger image if you download it. I would expect
'Save Image' to open a save dialogue where you can rename the file (which I
usually do with census images but after downloading IYSWIM).


*may still be there - haven't looked lately and get confused between
behaviours on Ancestry and Findmypast.
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