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Sid Nuncius
2020-11-18 18:42:21 UTC
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I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
10. I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with Windows 10
pre-installed. Supposedly a pre-installed version, as opposed to an
upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be installed.

However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV, so it's obviously in there somewhere as the
default program for .gifs - and shows up as that on the list of default
apps.

My question is: does anyone know if it's possible to make it the default
app for .jpegs? It doesn't show up as an option in the apps list, nor
does a search for "Windows Photo Viewer" yield any results on this PC.

It's not critical by any means, but any advice would be gratefully received,
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Sid Nuncius
2020-11-18 18:44:18 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with Windows 10
pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as opposed to an
upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
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BrritSki
2020-11-18 19:12:26 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in
Windows 10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with
Windows 10 pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as
opposed to an upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be
installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger!  I meant .tif, not .gif.  Sorry
If you click on the windows symbol bottom left of screen and then the
gear wheel for settings, then select apps and under that default apps.
Scroll down to "Choose default apps by file type".
You can then change .jpg to....

Ooops, oh no you can't. Nugger.

Tried to do it starting from Windows Photo Viewer and it only lets you
choose .tiffs.

The explanation and fix is here. I haven't tried it as I'm happy with
Photos, so proceed at your own risk !

<https://www.howtogeek.com/225844/how-to-make-windows-photo-viewer-your-default-image-viewer-on-windows-10/>
Sid Nuncius
2020-11-19 06:42:39 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in
Windows 10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with
Windows 10 pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as
opposed to an upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be
installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than
a .jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger!  I meant .tif, not .gif.  Sorry
If you click on the windows symbol bottom left of screen and then the
gear wheel for settings, then select apps and under that default apps.
Scroll down to "Choose default apps by file type".
You can then change .jpg to....
Ooops, oh no you can't. Nugger.
Tried to do it starting from Windows Photo Viewer and it only lets you
choose .tiffs.
The explanation and fix is here. I haven't tried it as I'm happy with
Photos, so proceed at your own risk !
<https://www.howtogeek.com/225844/how-to-make-windows-photo-viewer-your-default-image-viewer-on-windows-10/>
Oo-er! I certainly don't prefer Windows Photo Viewer enough to start
tinkering with the registry. Photo it is, then.

Thanks, MOPMOB, and to everyone else who replied.
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BrritSki
2020-11-19 11:09:04 UTC
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The explanation and fix is here. I haven't tried it as I'm happy with
Photos, so proceed at your own risk !
<https://www.howtogeek.com/225844/how-to-make-windows-photo-viewer-your-default-image-viewer-on-windows-10/>
Oo-er!  I certainly don't prefer Windows Photo Viewer enough to start
tinkering with the registry.
Quite. FWIW I created a .tiff file and opened it with QPV to remind me
what I was missing and immediately thought how quaint it is. Photo is
far better once you've got used to it IMO.
Nick Leverton
2020-11-18 19:12:57 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with Windows 10
pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as opposed to an
upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
Yes, you can change the default application relatively easily in Win10.
If you click on the Start button then type "default apps", it will show
you the relevant control panel entry. Open that, and then "Photo viewer"
is one of the entries - confusingly referring to the general program
to be used for photos and other images, rather than the named Photo
Viewer application.

Anyway by clicking on this, you should see "Windows Photo Viewer" as
one of the items in the list and you can select that.

Definitely a change worth making IME, the new Photo app seems to take
forever to load which is really frustrating if you want a quick look at
an image. The old Photo Viewer still loads instantly.

Nick
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BrritSki
2020-11-18 19:19:08 UTC
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I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with Windows 10
pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as opposed to an
upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
Yes, you can change the default application relatively easily in Win10.
If you click on the Start button then type "default apps", it will show
you the relevant control panel entry. Open that, and then "Photo viewer"
is one of the entries - confusingly referring to the general program
to be used for photos and other images, rather than the named Photo
Viewer application.
Anyway by clicking on this, you should see "Windows Photo Viewer" ...
Yes, you SHOULD, but you don't, on my system anyway, which was bought
with Win10 installed as Sid's was...
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-18 19:57:02 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
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Post by Nick Leverton
Definitely a change worth making IME, the new Photo app seems to take
forever to load which is really frustrating if you want a quick look at
an image. The old Photo Viewer still loads instantly.
Nick
I will strongly regret the day (if ever) I have to give up IrfanView; it
loads instantly too, and I use it for all my image requirements (even
annotating). I've also got "muscle memory" for how to do a lot of things
in it - I've been using it for a Very Long Time: not sure if quite from
Windows 3.1, but certainly '9x. For example, space and backspace, + and
-, I C for comments ...

[FastStone, which I've seen recommended by several people in another
'group (one of the Windows ones - 7 I think) seems to share a lot with
Irfan, and is a little more versatile; I just haven't learnt to use it
subconsciously. I _think_ it may not be quite as instant, but not sure
about that.]
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Penny
2020-11-18 23:21:16 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 19:57:02 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I will strongly regret the day (if ever) I have to give up IrfanView; it
loads instantly too, and I use it for all my image requirements (even
annotating). I've also got "muscle memory" for how to do a lot of things
in it - I've been using it for a Very Long Time: not sure if quite from
Windows 3.1, but certainly '9x. For example, space and backspace, + and
-, I C for comments ...
Irfanview - I use little else.
For me one of its greatest advantages over other programs is its very small
'footprint' on the system - varying, of course, with the size of the image
you are viewing.
I've also used it to create simple web pages with thumbnails linked to
full-size images.
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Jenny M Benson
2020-11-19 11:13:45 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I will strongly regret the day (if ever) I have to give up IrfanView; it
loads instantly too, and I use it for all my image requirements (even
annotating). I've also got "muscle memory" for how to do a lot of things
in it - I've been using it for a Very Long Time: not sure if quite from
Windows 3.1, but certainly '9x. For example, space and backspace, + and
-, I C for comments ...
I like and use IrfanView so much that I made a donation to the developer
- there's no higher praise!
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-19 11:20:22 UTC
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I will strongly regret the day (if ever) I have to give up IrfanView;
it loads instantly too, and I use it for all my image requirements
(even annotating). I've also got "muscle memory" for how to do a lot
of things in it - I've been using it for a Very Long Time: not sure
if quite from Windows 3.1, but certainly '9x. For example, space and
backspace, + and -, I C for comments ...
I like and use IrfanView so much that I made a donation to the developer
- there's no higher praise!
I too bought it - I even bought a second copy to use at work!
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Jim Easterbrook
2020-11-18 19:22:36 UTC
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I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in
Windows 10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with
Windows 10 pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as
opposed to an upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be
installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
From which we conclude that they couldn't get the new Photo app to work
with TIFF files. (-:
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Sam Plusnet
2020-11-18 21:09:46 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in
Windows 10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with
Windows 10 pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as
opposed to an upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be
installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
From which we conclude that they couldn't get the new Photo app to work
Or that they regard TIFF files as historic artefacts with no place in
the moddun world.
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krw
2020-11-19 10:29:47 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in
Windows 10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with
Windows 10 pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as
opposed to an upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be
installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
From which we conclude that they couldn't get the new Photo app to work
From my experience the new Photo app simply does not work. I have not
taken many photos this year but have them in subdirectories of a 2020
folder which is under a "Pictures" folder all stored on my NAS. The new
Photos app refuses to show me any pictures taken after October 2019,
even though I know there are November 2019 photos as well as 2020
pictures on the NAS.

The Photo app seems unable to show the photos - it can see the folders
concerned but simply does not display the contents. No amount of
cajoling or changing of settings seems to make any difference.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-19 10:52:22 UTC
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From my experience the new Photo app simply does not work. I have not
taken many photos this year but have them in subdirectories of a 2020
folder which is under a "Pictures" folder all stored on my NAS. The
new Photos app refuses to show me any pictures taken after October
2019, even though I know there are November 2019 photos as well as 2020
pictures on the NAS.
The Photo app seems unable to show the photos - it can see the folders
concerned but simply does not display the contents. No amount of
cajoling or changing of settings seems to make any difference.
What happens if you go there in Windows Explorer (Win-E) - I presume
that at least shows that the files _exist_ - and just double-click on
one? _Something_ must happen.

(Though I'd install IrfanView. https://www.irfanview.com/ - scroll down
to the red squares to get. [I'd get the plugins too.])
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krw
2020-11-19 11:07:32 UTC
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From my experience the new Photo app simply does not work.  I have not
taken many photos this year but have them in subdirectories of a 2020
folder which is under a "Pictures" folder all stored on my NAS.  The
new Photos app refuses to show me any pictures taken after October
2019, even though I know there are November 2019 photos as well as
2020 pictures on the NAS.
The Photo app seems unable to show the photos - it can see the folders
concerned but simply does not display the contents.  No amount of
cajoling or changing of settings seems to make any difference.
What happens if you go there in Windows Explorer (Win-E) - I presume
that at least shows that the files _exist_ - and just double-click on
one? _Something_ must happen.
(Though I'd install IrfanView. https://www.irfanview.com/ - scroll down
to the red squares to get. [I'd get the plugins too.])
Of course the files are there and they open in Windows Photo Viewer (I
have hacked the registry as per the earlier link). I have Irfan View
but have had time to learn how to use it.
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Steve Hague
2020-11-19 17:05:55 UTC
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From my experience the new Photo app simply does not work.  I have not
taken many photos this year but have them in subdirectories of a 2020
folder which is under a "Pictures" folder all stored on my NAS.  The
new Photos app refuses to show me any pictures taken after October
2019, even though I know there are November 2019 photos as well as
2020 pictures on the NAS.
The Photo app seems unable to show the photos - it can see the folders
concerned but simply does not display the contents.  No amount of
cajoling or changing of settings seems to make any difference.
What happens if you go there in Windows Explorer (Win-E) - I presume
that at least shows that the files _exist_ - and just double-click on
one? _Something_ must happen.
(Though I'd install IrfanView. https://www.irfanview.com/ - scroll down
to the red squares to get. [I'd get the plugins too.])
I used Irfanview for years when I was working, and it certainly did the
job. I have no need for it now.
Anne B
2020-11-19 21:41:50 UTC
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From my experience the new Photo app simply does not work.  I have not
taken many photos this year but have them in subdirectories of a 2020
folder which is under a "Pictures" folder all stored on my NAS.  The
new Photos app refuses to show me any pictures taken after October
2019, even though I know there are November 2019 photos as well as
2020 pictures on the NAS.
The Photo app seems unable to show the photos - it can see the folders
concerned but simply does not display the contents.  No amount of
cajoling or changing of settings seems to make any difference.
What happens if you go there in Windows Explorer (Win-E) - I presume
that at least shows that the files _exist_ - and just double-click on
one? _Something_ must happen.
(Though I'd install IrfanView. https://www.irfanview.com/ - scroll down
to the red squares to get. [I'd get the plugins too.])
I have no problem opening mine after navigating to them in Windows
Explorer, but I don't know which program they are being displayed in.

However I don't keep them in the 'My Pictures' folder provided (and I
don't keep documents in 'My Documents' either). I keep them all in a
separate directory on a separate hard drive, and back them up frequently
to two separate external hard drives.

Anne B
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-19 22:23:48 UTC
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Post by Anne B
I have no problem opening mine after navigating to them in Windows
Explorer, but I don't know which program they are being displayed in.
When one of them is being displayed, click on Help | About. If it hasn't
got a menu bar (with "Help" in), then what icon is in the top left
corner? If it's full screen so there is no such icon visible, turn it
back: Alt-space, R. (F1 may also bring up the help function, which may
give a hint as to what prog. is in use.)
Post by Anne B
However I don't keep them in the 'My Pictures' folder provided (and I
don't keep documents in 'My Documents' either). I keep them all in a
separate directory on a separate hard drive, and back them up
frequently to two separate external hard drives.
I don't use the "My ..." folders either. Few experienced users do!
[]
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Chris J Dixon
2020-11-20 09:11:00 UTC
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However I don't keep them in the 'My Pictures' folder provided (and I
don't keep documents in 'My Documents' either). I keep them all in a
separate directory on a separate hard drive, and back them up
frequently to two separate external hard drives.
I don't use the "My ..." folders either. Few experienced users do!
This experienced user places the "My ..." folders where he wants
them, which is on the HDD, whilst programs are on the SDD.

<https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-change-the-location-of-user-folders-in-windows-10/>

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Mike McMillan
2020-11-20 08:34:08 UTC
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From my experience the new Photo app simply does not work.  I have not
taken many photos this year but have them in subdirectories of a 2020
folder which is under a "Pictures" folder all stored on my NAS.  The
new Photos app refuses to show me any pictures taken after October
2019, even though I know there are November 2019 photos as well as
2020 pictures on the NAS.
The Photo app seems unable to show the photos - it can see the folders
concerned but simply does not display the contents.  No amount of
cajoling or changing of settings seems to make any difference.
What happens if you go there in Windows Explorer (Win-E) - I presume
that at least shows that the files _exist_ - and just double-click on
one? _Something_ must happen.
(Though I'd install IrfanView. https://www.irfanview.com/ - scroll down
to the red squares to get. [I'd get the plugins too.])
I have no problem opening mine after navigating to them in Windows
Explorer, but I don't know which program they are being displayed in.
However I don't keep them in the 'My Pictures' folder provided (and I
don't keep documents in 'My Documents' either). I keep them all in a
separate directory on a separate hard drive, and back them up frequently
to two separate external hard drives.
Anne B
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Chris McMillan
2020-11-19 21:58:16 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
10.  I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with Windows 10
pre-installed.  Supposedly a pre-installed version, as opposed to an
upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV,
Nugger! I meant .tif, not .gif. Sorry
Sounds like you’re having a tif with photo viewer, Sid.

Sincerely Chris
Paul Herber
2020-11-19 10:12:44 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I preferred the old Windows Photo Viewer to the new Photo app in Windows
10. I've had to replace my old laptop with a new one with Windows 10
pre-installed. Supposedly a pre-installed version, as opposed to an
upgraded version does not contain WPV and it cannot be installed.
However, I have just opened a photo file which is a .gif rather than a
.jpeg and it opened in WPV, so it's obviously in there somewhere as the
default program for .gifs - and shows up as that on the list of default
apps.
My question is: does anyone know if it's possible to make it the default
app for .jpegs? It doesn't show up as an option in the apps list, nor
does a search for "Windows Photo Viewer" yield any results on this PC.
It's not critical by any means, but any advice would be gratefully received,
Have you tried IrfanView?
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BrritSki
2020-11-19 13:36:56 UTC
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Post by Paul Herber
Have you tried IrfanView?
Just tried it since everyone was raving about it.

Woah, 80's throwback or what ? ;)

I'm sure it's great if you're used to it, but all I usually want to do
with my pix is crop them and occasionally adjust the
colour/darkness/etc. which Photos does perfectly. It also seems easier
at scrolling through a directory with mouse clicks.

On the VERY rare occasions that I want to do something else with a
picture like add some text or highlight a feature I just open it with Paint.

YEMV
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-19 14:11:17 UTC
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Post by Paul Herber
Have you tried IrfanView?
Just tried it since everyone was raving about it.
Woah, 80's throwback or what ? ;)
The latest iteration's only just appeared, but yes, it's not 2020 in
style.
Post by BrritSki
I'm sure it's great if you're used to it, but all I usually want to do
with my pix is crop them and occasionally adjust the
colour/darkness/etc. which Photos does perfectly. It also seems easier
at scrolling through a directory with mouse clicks.
I guess it does have mouse ways of doing them, but for me, in IV - crop:
drag rectangle to where I want to crop (then fine adjust the edges),
then Ctrl-Y. (Or Ctrl-shift-J for lossless.) Adjust
colour/brightness/contrast/gamma: G (that's shift-G). Moving through a
directory: I've just tried and mouse-clicking on the next/previous
button seems to work perfectly well, but I'd normally just use space and
backspace.
Post by BrritSki
On the VERY rare occasions that I want to do something else with a
picture like add some text or highlight a feature I just open it with Paint.
Insert text: two ways - Ctrl-T, or F12 and select the text tool.
Highlight a section - drag the rectangle, then G again (the changes then
only happen to the selection). [For example, to highlight some text - e.
g. in a scan of a document - I'd drag a rectangle across it, G, and drag
blue to 0, to simulate a yellow highlighter pen.]
Post by BrritSki
YEMV
I think IV's attractions to its fans are mainly its speed - it seems
_very_ fast, in both switching between images and zooming in and out (or
panning) a single image; for its longer-in-the-tooth fans, possibly (and
this might be your "80s throwback", though probably more 90s or later)
the fact that many things can be done very quickly from the keyboard.
But everyone should use what makes them happy (-:
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