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Vicky Ayech
2020-11-14 13:47:03 UTC
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans. Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines

Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
krw
2020-11-14 14:29:28 UTC
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Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
It's called management innit. If you do plan but then defer the plans
you get criticised and if you don't plan they you get criticised.
Management gets the blame. What is a Health Secretary gonna do?
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Marmaduke Jinks
2020-11-15 17:03:22 UTC
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans. Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".

MJ
Vicky Ayech
2020-11-15 21:53:28 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans. Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Mine was a nurse too, at a little table in the carpark outside the
surgery. And no suggestion to sit and wait after it. I had to ask for
a plaster too.
Penny
2020-11-15 22:50:56 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:03:22 -0000, "Marmaduke Jinks"
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My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Mine was a nurse too, at a little table in the carpark outside the
surgery. And no suggestion to sit and wait after it. I had to ask for
a plaster too.
A plaster after a shot - I don't think I've ever been offered one of those
and don't see why you'd need one, there's no blood.

They always offer some tape to hold the cotton wool after blood-letting but
I usually refuse that.
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Vicky Ayech
2020-11-15 22:59:01 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:03:22 -0000, "Marmaduke Jinks"
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My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Mine was a nurse too, at a little table in the carpark outside the
surgery. And no suggestion to sit and wait after it. I had to ask for
a plaster too.
A plaster after a shot - I don't think I've ever been offered one of those
and don't see why you'd need one, there's no blood.
She didn't offer cotton wool and tape either. And I bleed afterwards
and didn't want to have blood on my jacket.
Post by Penny
They always offer some tape to hold the cotton wool after blood-letting but
I usually refuse that.
Marmaduke Jinks
2020-11-15 23:36:46 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:03:22 -0000, "Marmaduke Jinks"
Post by Marmaduke Jinks
My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Mine was a nurse too, at a little table in the carpark outside the
surgery. And no suggestion to sit and wait after it. I had to ask for
a plaster too.
A plaster after a shot - I don't think I've ever been offered one of those
and don't see why you'd need one, there's no blood.
She didn't offer cotton wool and tape either. And I bleed afterwards
and didn't want to have blood on my jacket.
Post by Penny
They always offer some tape to hold the cotton wool after blood-letting but
I usually refuse that.
I had a bit of cotton wool and some micropore.

MJ
Sally Thompson
2020-11-16 08:56:04 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:03:22 -0000, "Marmaduke Jinks"
Post by Marmaduke Jinks
My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Mine was a nurse too, at a little table in the carpark outside the
surgery. And no suggestion to sit and wait after it. I had to ask for
a plaster too.
A plaster after a shot - I don't think I've ever been offered one of those
and don't see why you'd need one, there's no blood.
They always offer some tape to hold the cotton wool after blood-letting but
I usually refuse that.
OH and I had simultaneous flu jabs in our car. His bled quite a bit, and I
thought it was possibly the aspirin he is on.
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Nick Odell
2020-11-16 20:11:27 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:03:22 -0000, "Marmaduke Jinks"
Post by Marmaduke Jinks
My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Mine was a nurse too, at a little table in the carpark outside the
surgery. And no suggestion to sit and wait after it. I had to ask for
a plaster too.
A plaster after a shot - I don't think I've ever been offered one of those
and don't see why you'd need one, there's no blood.
They always offer some tape to hold the cotton wool after blood-letting but
I usually refuse that.
My winter flu jab and my pneumonia jab were bought at the pharmacy and
administered at home by Liliana. Alcohol was involved: purely for
cleansing purposes and no blood was let.

Nick
Steve Hague
2020-11-16 08:09:40 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
https://www.gransnet.com/forums/coronavirus/1287283-Scaling-back-GP-care?utm_source=newsletter_gransnetdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=14/11/2020&utm_term=%22My+support+bubble+burst+-+AIBU%3F%22
The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans. Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
My flu jab was injected by the practice nurse. So I'm not sure about all
this "the GP must do it".
MJ
Same here, administered in a side room of the pharmacy. A small plaster
was put on the point of entry, but wasn't really necessary.
Peter
2020-11-16 17:30:55 UTC
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans. Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/gps-in-england-will-scale-back-care-to-deliver-covid-vaccines
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
The Times draws one's attention to this
https://www.facebook.com/groups/339335510473924.
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recognized as one of the villains of this century, in order to
induce him to a negative judgment, he replied: "My situation is
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Sam Plusnet
2020-11-16 21:19:19 UTC
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans.  Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
The Times draws one's attention to this
https://www.facebook.com/groups/339335510473924.
I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
--
Sam Plusnet
Chris McMillan
2020-11-16 21:46:33 UTC
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans.  Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
The Times draws one's attention to this
https://www.facebook.com/groups/339335510473924.
I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
A group that discusses vaccines but it’s a pointer to not to get into.
Very high bad tempered traffic flow.? Usenet was bad enough decades ago,
thanks.

Sincerely Chris
Mike McMillan
2020-11-17 09:14:27 UTC
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The link on gransnet to the Guardian article lets you see the details
of the current arrangments.
Care in GP surgeries seems to vary considerably according to the
grans.  Personally I can't see how much less GPs can do and I don't
see why they should be paid per vaccination if they are paid to be GPs
anyway.
Also as no vaccine has yet been OKd by the OKing bodies it seems to me
that taking GPs off their normal remaining work to staff big
vaccination centres might end up with them sitting about as the track
and trace staff did for while after those centres were set up.
The Times draws one's attention to this
https://www.facebook.com/groups/339335510473924.
I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
Ditto - with brass knobs on!
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-19 11:23:44 UTC
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I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
Ditto - with brass knobs on!
+2! Unlike many who don't use FB, I have no strong hatred of those who
do; I just can't get on, technically, with how FB "pages" work.
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Nick Odell
2020-11-20 06:11:28 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 09:14:27, Mike McMillan
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
Ditto - with brass knobs on!
+2! Unlike many who don't use FB, I have no strong hatred of those who
do; I just can't get on, technically, with how FB "pages" work.
I was in the same category as you, John, until the introduction of
GDPR.

Most people I know think of GDPR as A Good Thing that was introduced
by the EU and is admired by privacy advocates worldwide.

A couple of weeks before GDPR went live, Facebook - without citing
GDPR directly - announced changes to its terms and conditions which
included moving its data storage offshore and required me to agree to
these changes before it would allow me to access my accounts again. I
decided then that they and their subsidiaries were no longer the sort
of people I wanted to do business with.

Ditto Uber and AirBNB. In both cases they operate completely legally
in some jurisdiction and with varying degrees of unlawfulness
elsewhere and I don't think it is my job, as a customer, to determine
which is which.

Anybody else I ought to be wary of?

Nick
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-11-20 12:09:56 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 09:14:27, Mike McMillan
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
Ditto - with brass knobs on!
+2! Unlike many who don't use FB, I have no strong hatred of those who
do; I just can't get on, technically, with how FB "pages" work.
I was in the same category as you, John, until the introduction of
GDPR.
Ah, we're operating at cross-purposes. I meant _technically_ how they
work: when I load a FaceBook page, my browser is working continually,
which I don't like. (The same applies to Twitter and YouTube, granted,
but at least there I have the feeling I know what it's doing. I don't
with a FaceBook page.) Plus the very scrambled way a Facebook page is
presented - sort of top-posting with (recursive) knobs on; I just find
the information presented very hard to take in.
Post by Nick Odell
Most people I know think of GDPR as A Good Thing that was introduced
by the EU and is admired by privacy advocates worldwide.
I tend to agree. I get very cross with companies who just make
inefficient gestures to it (like the eternal cookie banners - which now
tend not to _have_ a don't-accept option), and on another tack, the
companies which use it (I suspect in most cases untruthfully, in some
cases illegally) as an excuse either to _collect_ more information than
necessary, or - if anything more infuriating - as an excuse to
_withhold_ information.
Post by Nick Odell
A couple of weeks before GDPR went live, Facebook - without citing
GDPR directly - announced changes to its terms and conditions which
included moving its data storage offshore and required me to agree to
these changes before it would allow me to access my accounts again. I
decided then that they and their subsidiaries were no longer the sort
of people I wanted to do business with.
I _try_ to do the same (with any company that does any of the things
described above), but sometimes they're the only viable option )-:.
Post by Nick Odell
Ditto Uber and AirBNB. In both cases they operate completely legally
in some jurisdiction and with varying degrees of unlawfulness
elsewhere and I don't think it is my job, as a customer, to determine
which is which.
Anybody else I ought to be wary of?
Nick
Ancestry and FindMyPast both have clauses I'd rather not accept, but you
can't do a lot in genealogy (or, at least, it's a _lot_ harder) without
using them.

UK companies who offshore their data handling. Also organisations -
alumni ones for example - sometimes do too, often without realising, if
they're small organisations, what they as a result are asking their
members to accept.
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Chris McMillan
2020-11-20 16:13:51 UTC
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I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
Ditto - with brass knobs on!
+2! Unlike many who don't use FB, I have no strong hatred of those who
do; I just can't get on, technically, with how FB "pages" work.
Neither do us who do!

Sincerely Chris
Steve Hague
2020-11-21 09:55:49 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 09:14:27, Mike McMillan
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Post by Sam Plusnet
I don't wish to join facebook, so I have no idea what that contains.
Ditto - with brass knobs on!
+2! Unlike many who don't use FB, I have no strong hatred of those who
do; I just can't get on, technically, with how FB "pages" work.
Neither do us who do!
Sincerely Chris
I use FB all the time, but it's a mystery to me how it works, or doesn't.
Steve

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