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Mike McMillan
2021-05-19 06:46:52 UTC
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Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
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Vicky Ayech
2021-05-19 09:18:32 UTC
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On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up? Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :) and David didn't.

I'm reading Miss Read's Village Diary at the moment, about a village
school in the 1950s. Things were just changing post-war. She talks
about a farmer who brings her a basket of plums. Many villagers do
bring fruit and vegetables to the school teacher at harvest time. The
farmer talks about how his cowman is leaving him. He got a job at a
local research station and found a house near by. The farmer is sorry
to be losing him.

He's going because the hours are shorter, no early milking 7 days a
week, no nights up with a sick cow and the wife thinks it's a step up
socially to work in Garfield's rather than for the farmer. He'll get
more money, but pay three times as much rent. And those farm cottages
are in good repair.

The farmer regrets the waste of knowledge, learned over 40 years in
the cowman job. And it was a trend then. People were leaving the
farming jobs and drifting to easier city ones. One thing Miss Read
also mentions is the children get to go to a bigger school with more
specialised teaching in secondary school subjects. They don't get that
in village schools. Miss Read's time saw some being combined so that
children had to be taken further from their own village daily. The
books celebrate country living and how well it works. They regret the
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
Penny
2021-05-19 11:15:00 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
I'm pretty sure it did but the teacher was not a speaking character. I have
a vague recollection of its closing so village children had to be bussed
elsewhere, but of no sentimental reminiscence from older villagers.
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krw
2021-05-19 14:23:46 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
I'm pretty sure it did but the teacher was not a speaking character. I have
a vague recollection of its closing so village children had to be bussed
elsewhere, but of no sentimental reminiscence from older villagers.
TBOTA refers to Jill fighting the village school closure, the twins were
born in 58 and David in 59 so probably a mid/late sixties story? Later
Loxley Barratt was slated to close but I don't think it did in the end.
Where does 'Enwee go to school?
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Chris
2021-05-20 11:05:02 UTC
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Post by Penny
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
I'm pretty sure it did but the teacher was not a speaking character. I have
a vague recollection of its closing so village children had to be bussed
elsewhere, but of no sentimental reminiscence from older villagers.
TBOTA refers to Jill fighting the village school closure, the twins were
born in 58 and David in 59 so probably a mid/late sixties story? Later
Loxley Barratt was slated to close but I don't think it did in the end.
Where does 'Enwee go to school?
Loxley Barratt. As do the other brats.

Sincerely Chris
Mike Ruddock
2021-05-19 15:11:18 UTC
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Post by Penny
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
I'm pretty sure it did but the teacher was not a speaking character. I have
a vague recollection of its closing so village children had to be bussed
elsewhere, but of no sentimental reminiscence from older villagers.
A long time ago there was a speaking teacher, her name was, if I
remember correctly, Elsie Catcher and for a short period she was played
by the actor now playing Peggy Wooley: June Spencer.

Mike Ruddock
krw
2021-05-19 15:24:33 UTC
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Post by Penny
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
I'm pretty sure it did but the teacher was not a speaking character. I have
a vague recollection of its closing so village children had to be bussed
elsewhere, but of no sentimental reminiscence from older villagers.
A long time ago there was a speaking teacher, her name was, if I
remember correctly, Elsie Catcher and for a short period she was played
by the actor now playing Peggy Wooley: June Spencer.
Mike Ruddock
TAE records her as retiring in July 1967 after 40 years and I would
guess the school closed at the same time. Best friends are recorded as
Thelma Rogers and Mary Wimbush. Thelma Rogers spent some years as
Margaret Woolley - no June Spencer. Mary Wimbush was of course famously
the second Julia Pargetter.
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Penny
2021-05-19 16:47:27 UTC
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Post by Mike Ruddock
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
I'm pretty sure it did but the teacher was not a speaking character. I have
a vague recollection of its closing so village children had to be bussed
elsewhere, but of no sentimental reminiscence from older villagers.
A long time ago there was a speaking teacher, her name was, if I
remember correctly, Elsie Catcher and for a short period she was played
by the actor now playing Peggy Wooley: June Spencer.
A better memory than mine (not difficult at the moment), but, as Kosmo
says, not Peggy-voice. The book says Peggy was jealous when Miss Catcher
helped Jack Archer with her children while Peggy was in hospital in 1953
(definitely before my time). I'm surprised I couldn't bring her to mind
though, I'm pretty sure I was listening in 1967 when she had her retirement
party.
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Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Nick Odell
2021-05-19 12:11:25 UTC
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On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:18:32 +0100, Vicky Ayech
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up? Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :) and David didn't.
I'm reading Miss Read's Village Diary at the moment, about a village
school in the 1950s. Things were just changing post-war. She talks
about a farmer who brings her a basket of plums. Many villagers do
bring fruit and vegetables to the school teacher at harvest time. The
farmer talks about how his cowman is leaving him. He got a job at a
local research station and found a house near by. The farmer is sorry
to be losing him.
He's going because the hours are shorter, no early milking 7 days a
week, no nights up with a sick cow and the wife thinks it's a step up
socially to work in Garfield's rather than for the farmer. He'll get
more money, but pay three times as much rent. And those farm cottages
are in good repair.
The farmer regrets the waste of knowledge, learned over 40 years in
the cowman job. And it was a trend then. People were leaving the
farming jobs and drifting to easier city ones. One thing Miss Read
also mentions is the children get to go to a bigger school with more
specialised teaching in secondary school subjects. They don't get that
in village schools. Miss Read's time saw some being combined so that
children had to be taken further from their own village daily. The
books celebrate country living and how well it works. They regret the
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
You have probably already read Flora Thompson's Lark Rise etc and
Ronald Blythe's Akenfield so may I commend Craig Taylor's Return to
Akenfield (ISBN 978-1-86207-923-6) as a twenty-first century update?

Nick
Mike McMillan
2021-05-19 14:06:43 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:18:32 +0100, Vicky Ayech
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up? Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :) and David didn't.
I'm reading Miss Read's Village Diary at the moment, about a village
school in the 1950s. Things were just changing post-war. She talks
about a farmer who brings her a basket of plums. Many villagers do
bring fruit and vegetables to the school teacher at harvest time. The
farmer talks about how his cowman is leaving him. He got a job at a
local research station and found a house near by. The farmer is sorry
to be losing him.
He's going because the hours are shorter, no early milking 7 days a
week, no nights up with a sick cow and the wife thinks it's a step up
socially to work in Garfield's rather than for the farmer. He'll get
more money, but pay three times as much rent. And those farm cottages
are in good repair.
The farmer regrets the waste of knowledge, learned over 40 years in
the cowman job. And it was a trend then. People were leaving the
farming jobs and drifting to easier city ones. One thing Miss Read
also mentions is the children get to go to a bigger school with more
specialised teaching in secondary school subjects. They don't get that
in village schools. Miss Read's time saw some being combined so that
children had to be taken further from their own village daily. The
books celebrate country living and how well it works. They regret the
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
You have probably already read Flora Thompson's Lark Rise etc and
Ronald Blythe's Akenfield so may I commend Craig Taylor's Return to
Akenfield (ISBN 978-1-86207-923-6) as a twenty-first century update?
Nick
This must be one of the fastest thread swerves in the history of UMRA!
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Mike McMillan
2021-05-19 14:06:50 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:18:32 +0100, Vicky Ayech
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up? Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :) and David didn't.
I'm reading Miss Read's Village Diary at the moment, about a village
school in the 1950s. Things were just changing post-war. She talks
about a farmer who brings her a basket of plums. Many villagers do
bring fruit and vegetables to the school teacher at harvest time. The
farmer talks about how his cowman is leaving him. He got a job at a
local research station and found a house near by. The farmer is sorry
to be losing him.
He's going because the hours are shorter, no early milking 7 days a
week, no nights up with a sick cow and the wife thinks it's a step up
socially to work in Garfield's rather than for the farmer. He'll get
more money, but pay three times as much rent. And those farm cottages
are in good repair.
The farmer regrets the waste of knowledge, learned over 40 years in
the cowman job. And it was a trend then. People were leaving the
farming jobs and drifting to easier city ones. One thing Miss Read
also mentions is the children get to go to a bigger school with more
specialised teaching in secondary school subjects. They don't get that
in village schools. Miss Read's time saw some being combined so that
children had to be taken further from their own village daily. The
books celebrate country living and how well it works. They regret the
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
You have probably already read Flora Thompson's Lark Rise etc and
Ronald Blythe's Akenfield so may I commend Craig Taylor's Return to
Akenfield (ISBN 978-1-86207-923-6) as a twenty-first century update?
Nick
This must be one of the fastest thread swerves in the history of UMRA!
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Vicky Ayech
2021-05-19 15:56:40 UTC
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On Wed, 19 May 2021 13:11:25 +0100, Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Wed, 19 May 2021 10:18:32 +0100, Vicky Ayech
You have probably already read Flora Thompson's Lark Rise etc and
Ronald Blythe's Akenfield so may I commend Craig Taylor's Return to
Akenfield (ISBN 978-1-86207-923-6) as a twenty-first century update?
Nick
No I haven't. I will look for them, thanks.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-05-19 14:04:45 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up? Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
How would that work: you'd have to _forbid_ him (and other applicants)
to "farm" (work with pigs, whatever) - which as well as I suspect being
very unpopular in the first place, would be impossible to police.
Post by Vicky Ayech
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :) and David didn't.
(I think it was getting rid of the sheep, going to just [but more] cows.
Reducing the "mixed"ness of the farm, which is against David's
instincts. [And mine, though I know nothing of farming, especially its
economics.])
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
(Others have said yes, so:) Where was it?
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carolet
2021-05-19 14:50:50 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up?  Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
How would that work: you'd have to _forbid_ him (and other applicants)
to "farm" (work with pigs, whatever) - which as well as I suspect being
very unpopular in the first place, would be impossible to police.
Post by Vicky Ayech
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :)  and David didn't.
(I think it was getting rid of the sheep, going to just [but more] cows.
Reducing the "mixed"ness of the farm, which is against David's
instincts. [And mine, though I know nothing of farming, especially its
economics.])
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
changes but admit some advantages too.  Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
(Others have said yes, so:) Where was it?
Perhaps the Village Hall started out as a school?
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Nick Odell
2021-05-19 17:48:11 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up?  Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
How would that work: you'd have to _forbid_ him (and other applicants)
to "farm" (work with pigs, whatever) - which as well as I suspect being
very unpopular in the first place, would be impossible to police.
Post by Vicky Ayech
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :)  and David didn't.
(I think it was getting rid of the sheep, going to just [but more] cows.
Reducing the "mixed"ness of the farm, which is against David's
instincts. [And mine, though I know nothing of farming, especially its
economics.])
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
changes but admit some advantages too.  Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
(Others have said yes, so:) Where was it?
Perhaps the Village Hall started out as a school?
Perhaps in the church?

I used to live opposite St Clements Church in Outwell
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in fact if that picture had only been a few pixels wider to the
left...[1]

Anyway, you can see that the porch is far taller than it need be if
its only function were to let people in and out and indeed, there is
a room above
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which pre-1870 Education Act was the village school, run by the
church.

Nick
[1]...then you'd have seen my old place. (This picture was taken about
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Penny
2021-05-19 18:23:10 UTC
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On Wed, 19 May 2021 15:04:45 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
(Others have said yes, so:) Where was it?
No idea. It's not marked on any of the maps I have, or mentioned in Lynda's
Ambridge Heritage book which describes several other buildings.
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Chris
2021-05-20 11:05:01 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Wed, 19 May 2021 06:46:52 GMT, Mike McMillan
Post by Mike McMillan
Farmers are to receive a financial inducement to retire to make way for
younger blood I hear. So who are the candidates in Ambridge???
I heard this too and am sure I heard it ages ago.Is it being renewed
as no old farmers took it up? Neil? He doesn't own land but giving up
land was the second category to get a payout. The first was just
How would that work: you'd have to _forbid_ him (and other applicants)
to "farm" (work with pigs, whatever) - which as well as I suspect being
very unpopular in the first place, would be impossible to police.
Post by Vicky Ayech
farming and he is a pig farmer. Might David get discouraged with the
change from ..er..it was from cows and sheep to just sheep, wasn't it?
or vice versa? Whichever, Ruth wanted it,supported by Pip, or vice
versa :) and David didn't.
(I think it was getting rid of the sheep, going to just [but more] cows.
Reducing the "mixed"ness of the farm, which is against David's
instincts. [And mine, though I know nothing of farming, especially its
economics.])
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
changes but admit some advantages too. Did Ambridge have a village
school at some point in TA?
(Others have said yes, so:) Where was it?
Brine is going to send his sheep to live on Lakey Hill with David’s. That
way David keeps sheep which Brine can’t afford to do.

Sincerely Chris
krw
2021-05-20 11:07:30 UTC
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Brine is going to send his sheep to live on Lakey Hill with David’s. That
way David keeps sheep which Brine can’t afford to do.
Not as I understand it. David is going to rent the pastures at Home
Farm for the sheep so that more of Brookfield is available for the cows.

I am not sure that Home Farm is not giving up lambs completely.

The pastures are the ones where Pip looked after some cows one year for
Adam.
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
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Chris
2021-05-20 11:19:22 UTC
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Post by Chris
Brine is going to send his sheep to live on Lakey Hill with David’s. That
way David keeps sheep which Brine can’t afford to do.
Not as I understand it. David is going to rent the pastures at Home
Farm for the sheep so that more of Brookfield is available for the cows.
I am not sure that Home Farm is not giving up lambs completely.
The pastures are the ones where Pip looked after some cows one year for
Adam.
Oh sorry, wrong way round. My confusion, so no more sheep on Lakey Hill.
What *would* Phil say?

Sincerely Chris
Mike McMillan
2021-05-20 11:42:58 UTC
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Post by krw
Post by Chris
Brine is going to send his sheep to live on Lakey Hill with David’s. That
way David keeps sheep which Brine can’t afford to do.
Not as I understand it. David is going to rent the pastures at Home
Farm for the sheep so that more of Brookfield is available for the cows.
I am not sure that Home Farm is not giving up lambs completely.
The pastures are the ones where Pip looked after some cows one year for
Adam.
Oh sorry, wrong way round. My confusion, so no more sheep on Lakey Hill.
What *would* Phil say?
Sincerely Chris
‘Gett orff moiy laaaand’ perhaps?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-05-20 11:32:10 UTC
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Post by Chris
Brine is going to send his sheep to live on Lakey Hill with David’s. That
way David keeps sheep which Brine can’t afford to do.
Is LH public ground? I've always assumed it is. Though I could easily
accept it might have some ancient common grazing rights; a lot of such
common ground does, at least in theory if not often taken advantage of.

But presumably it isn't enclosed, and I'd imagine there'd be
considerable opposition to any addition of fencing or whatever adequate
to enclose sheep (I think of sheep as fairly slow-moving, but if left
unattended, I imagine they will wander - as well as the possibility of
their loss, they could become road hazards). So the only alternative
would be to man (including woman) the hill (probably with a dog), which
I presume significantly affects the economic viability of the idea.
Post by krw
Not as I understand it. David is going to rent the pastures at Home
Farm for the sheep so that more of Brookfield is available for the cows.
Ah, that sounds more viable; presumably those already have
fences/walls/whatever.
Post by krw
I am not sure that Home Farm is not giving up lambs completely.
Agreed (if I've followed the negatives correctly!).
Post by krw
The pastures are the ones where Pip looked after some cows one year for
Adam.
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krw
2021-05-20 12:49:02 UTC
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Is LH public ground? I've always assumed it is.
Most of Lakey Hill is part of Brookfield. There are paths to the top
and an open area for bonfires and church services but sheep normally
occupy the fields because it is too steep for cows.
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Penny
2021-05-20 11:38:03 UTC
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Post by krw
Post by Chris
Brine is going to send his sheep to live on Lakey Hill with David’s. That
way David keeps sheep which Brine can’t afford to do.
Not as I understand it. David is going to rent the pastures at Home
Farm for the sheep so that more of Brookfield is available for the cows.
I am not sure that Home Farm is not giving up lambs completely.
The pastures are the ones where Pip looked after some cows one year for
Adam.
This was Ruari's bright idea to get rent for David's use of the pasture
while the land benefits from the sheep muck with no outlay for Home Farm.
I'd like David (or Pip) to invent sheep nappies and/or some sheep-shit
collection device - maybe well-trained beetles? When we spent a year living
next to a sheep pasture, it fascinated me how quickly the sheep muck
disappeared* when the flock was moved elsewhere.

*spell-check corrected my seemingly appropriate typo 'diappeared' ;)
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