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Sally Thompson
2021-01-02 21:30:10 UTC
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Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Nick Odell
2021-01-02 22:04:47 UTC
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On 2 Jan 2021 21:30:10 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
Skimble appears to be a "thing." It seems that it is an exercise
programme on the web so I wonder if it has bots or web crawlers
looking for places to promote itself? One of the forums I participate
in elsewhere has a very handy panel showing who is online at any given
time and very often there are more bots crawing over the site than
human participants.

Nick
Sally Thompson
2021-01-03 08:41:00 UTC
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On 2 Jan 2021 21:30:10 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
Skimble appears to be a "thing." It seems that it is an exercise
programme on the web so I wonder if it has bots or web crawlers
looking for places to promote itself? One of the forums I participate
in elsewhere has a very handy panel showing who is online at any given
time and very often there are more bots crawing over the site than
human participants.
Nick
Oh, thank you!
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Sally Thompson
2021-01-03 08:48:59 UTC
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On 2 Jan 2021 21:30:10 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
Skimble appears to be a "thing." It seems that it is an exercise
programme on the web so I wonder if it has bots or web crawlers
looking for places to promote itself? One of the forums I participate
in elsewhere has a very handy panel showing who is online at any given
time and very often there are more bots crawing over the site than
human participants.
Oh, thank you!
I never thought to Google it before, but happily was led to Skimbleshanks
by TS Eliot:

There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Sid Nuncius
2021-01-03 09:35:33 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I never thought to Google it before, but happily was led to Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...

I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper. I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10. In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.

Those were the days when stuff just seemed to be in my brain - like the
lyrics to pop songs - without my having to make any real effort. Quite
a lot of it is still there. How very unlike the present life of my
memory, which often can't retain a simple name for more than a few
seconds nowadays.
--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-03 09:53:20 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I never thought to Google it before, but happily was led to Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper. I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10. In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Those were the days when stuff just seemed to be in my brain - like the
lyrics to pop songs - without my having to make any real effort. Quite
a lot of it is still there. How very unlike the present life of my
memory, which often can't retain a simple name for more than a few
seconds nowadays.
MTAAW
Ican recite chunks of Ropert Brooke's Grantchester, which I leanred
for a LAMDA exam, and also Fie, Fie, unknit that threatening, unkind
brow and dart not scornful glances from those eyes... and otehr stuff
but while doing 3 short forms of tai chi facing the tv and 3 facing
the other way I cannot remember if I have done 2 or 3. Other examples
of failures are available.
Sally Thompson
2021-01-03 10:39:03 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I never thought to Google it before, but happily was led to Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper. I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10. In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Serena Blanchflower
2021-01-03 14:46:43 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I never thought to Google it before, but happily was led to Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper. I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10. In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
And another here! I used to share my life with a Jellicle Cat but
haven't had any other Old Possums around.
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Best wishes, Serena
People who don't like cats were probably mice in an earlier life (Anon)
Steve Hague
2021-01-03 18:21:24 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I never thought to Google it before, but happily was led to Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper. I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10. In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
I used to be, but made the mistake of seeing the film of the stage
musical, and that part of my brain is permanently seared. What was Judi
Dench thinking of?
Steve
Serena Blanchflower
2021-01-03 18:48:51 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
I never thought to Google it before,  but happily was led to
Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper.  I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10.  In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
I used to be, but made the mistake of seeing the film of the stage
musical, and that part of my brain is permanently seared. What was Judi
Dench thinking of?
I have carefully avoided both the musical and the film, on the basis
that they can't possibly be as good as the original.
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Best wishes, Serena
What would men be without women? Scarce, sir... mighty scarce. (Mark Twain)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 02:56:11 UTC
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raised):
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I have carefully avoided both the musical and the film, on the basis
that they can't possibly be as good as the original.
I gather the film was an absolute turkey, but the musical - which I've
not _seen_ (highly unlikely to) - seen as an entity in its own right,
_not_ a toilets* - generated _a few_ nice pieces: "Memory" of course
springs to mind, and _some_ of the others. Some might have even brought
the words to a wider audience (the "Hooked on Classics" argument).

*rearrangement of T S Eliot
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.
John Ashby
2021-01-03 19:00:27 UTC
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I never thought to Google it before,  but happily was led to
Skimbleshanks
There's a whisper down the line at 11.39
When the Night Mail's ready to depart,
Saying "Skimble where is Skimble
has he gone to hunt the thimble?
We must find him or the train can't start."
All the guards and all the porters
And the Station Master's daughters...
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper.  I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10.  In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
I used to be, but made the mistake of seeing the film of the stage
musical, and that part of my brain is permanently seared. What was Judi
Dench thinking of?
Steve
The fee.

john
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-03 21:37:37 UTC
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I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper.  I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10.  In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
I used to be, but made the mistake of seeing the film of the stage
musical, and that part of my brain is permanently seared. What was Judi
Dench thinking of?
Steve
The fee.
john
I saw the musical in London many years ago, with daughters when young.
We all enjoyed it. It was in Drury Lane with a clever revolving stage.
I have a feeling it was Elaine Page then was the Judi Dench role. Not
seen the film.
krw
2021-01-03 23:21:52 UTC
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On 03/01/2021 08:48, Sally T
I loved Old Possum when I were nobbut a nipper.  I once recited
Skimbleshanks at a school poetry thing when I was 10.  In those days I
just knew it because I'd read it quite a few times and really liked it.
(I thought the lines "There's a funny little basin/You're supposed to
wash your face in" were hilarious.) I could do most of Macavity, too.
And I was quietly pleased with myself a few years later for recognising
the source of (misspelled) name Mungo Jerry when In The Summertime came
out.
Fellow fan here...
I used to be, but made the mistake of seeing the film of the stage
musical, and that part of my brain is permanently seared. What was Judi
Dench thinking of?
Steve
The fee.
john
I saw the musical in London many years ago, with daughters when young.
We all enjoyed it. It was in Drury Lane with a clever revolving stage.
I have a feeling it was Elaine Page then was the Judi Dench role. Not
seen the film.
Seen the stage show a couple of times. I have a feeling that at one
point it was intended that JD would take the stage role but it did not
happen so when offered the film version she took it.
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DavidK
2021-01-03 14:02:45 UTC
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Those were the days when stuff just seemed to be in my brain - like the
lyrics to pop songs - without my having to make any real effort.  Quite
a lot of it is still there.  How very unlike the present life of my
memory, which often can't retain a simple name for more than a few
seconds nowadays.
IKWYM. I used to do mental arithmetic to help to me to sleep, eg
squaring our telephone number. To this day, sadly, I know that 258² is
66564 but have to work out 256². PS 2021 = 43*47 because 2025=81*25.
John Ashby
2021-01-03 18:58:35 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
Those were the days when stuff just seemed to be in my brain - like
the lyrics to pop songs - without my having to make any real effort.
Quite a lot of it is still there.  How very unlike the present life of
my memory, which often can't retain a simple name for more than a few
seconds nowadays.
IKWYM. I used to do mental arithmetic to help to me to sleep, eg
squaring our telephone number. To this day, sadly, I know that 258² is
66564 but have to work out 256². PS 2021 = 43*47 because 2025=81*25.
More because 2025 = 45*45 (81*25 = 9^2 * 5^2 = (9*5)^2

2021 = 2025 - 4 = 45^2 - 4 = (45 + 2) * (45 - 2) [difference of two squares]

What's nice is that it's a product of adjacent primes.

john
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 03:01:27 UTC
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Post by Sid Nuncius
Those were the days when stuff just seemed to be in my brain - like
the lyrics to pop songs - without my having to make any real effort. 
Quite a lot of it is still there.  How very unlike the present life
of my memory, which often can't retain a simple name for more than a
few seconds nowadays.
IKWYM. I used to do mental arithmetic to help to me to sleep, eg
squaring our telephone number. To this day, sadly, I know that 258² is
66564 but have to work out 256². PS 2021 = 43*47 because 2025=81*25.
Being in electronics/computing, I have no trouble with 256² - 65536, or
64K. I'd have to work out 258², though, and probably struggle to do it
in my head.

Another nearby number I do remember, though (it'll be embarrassing if I
get it wrong, but I'll go with what I remember, rather than work it out)
is 63,360, being the number of inches in a mile, and thus also the scale
of the Ordnance Survey red-cover series (as opposed to the pink-cover
1:50,000 series that replaced it).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.
Nick Odell
2021-01-04 10:59:48 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by DavidK
Post by Sid Nuncius
Those were the days when stuff just seemed to be in my brain - like
the lyrics to pop songs - without my having to make any real effort. 
Quite a lot of it is still there.  How very unlike the present life
of my memory, which often can't retain a simple name for more than a
few seconds nowadays.
IKWYM. I used to do mental arithmetic to help to me to sleep, eg
squaring our telephone number. To this day, sadly, I know that 258² is
66564 but have to work out 256². PS 2021 = 43*47 because 2025=81*25.
Being in electronics/computing, I have no trouble with 256² - 65536, or
64K. I'd have to work out 258², though, and probably struggle to do it
in my head.
Another nearby number I do remember, though (it'll be embarrassing if I
get it wrong, but I'll go with what I remember, rather than work it out)
is 63,360, being the number of inches in a mile, and thus also the scale
of the Ordnance Survey red-cover series (as opposed to the pink-cover
1:50,000 series that replaced it).
Until January 2023 you might come up with different answers depending
on whether you were measuring in the USA or the
UK-and-virtually-every-other-country-that-uses-Imperial-measures. At
the end of December 2022 they will retire the slightly longer US
Survey Mile - which might make plausible John Steinbeck's explanation
of The Pastures of Heaven and that of Lake Wobegon by Garrison
Keillor.

Nice explanation and graphic in the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/science/foot-surveying-metrology-dennis.html


Nick
Angela
2021-01-03 19:52:47 UTC
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Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)

FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />

I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.

I'll now crawl back under my stone.

Angela
</delurk>
Serena Blanchflower
2021-01-03 20:00:53 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)
FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />
I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.
I'll now crawl back under my stone.
Angela
Hi Angela,

It's nice to meet you!
Post by Angela
</delurk>
Sorry but, if you've been lurking around here for a long time, I'm sure
you know that that isn't allowed ;)
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Best wishes, Serena
It works! Now if only I could remember what I did...
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-03 21:40:11 UTC
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Post by Angela
Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)
FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />
I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.
I'll now crawl back under my stone.
Angela
Hi Angela,
It's nice to meet you!
Post by Angela
</delurk>
Sorry but, if you've been lurking around here for a long time, I'm sure
you know that that isn't allowed ;)
Hi Angela. Nice to meet you.
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Once she's in there she might eat enough to not fit back through the
door to get out and then give up and stay.
Angela
2021-01-03 22:36:01 UTC
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*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
<pricks up ears />[1] Did someone mention chocolate?
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Once she's in there she might eat enough to not fit back through the
door to get out and then give up and stay.
*might*? There's no "might" about it!

A.

1. Yes, I know this is a family newsgrope.
Chris
2021-01-04 13:56:54 UTC
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*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
<pricks up ears />[1] Did someone mention chocolate?
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Once she's in there she might eat enough to not fit back through the
door to get out and then give up and stay.
*might*? There's no "might" about it!
A.
1. Yes, I know this is a family newsgrope.
If you’ve been about long enough you’ll know about our chocolate bunker.

Sincerely Chris
Sid Nuncius
2021-01-04 14:56:51 UTC
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*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
<pricks up ears />[1] Did someone mention chocolate?
1. Yes, I know this is a family newsgrope.
Well, you ought to know about The Brittski Factor, too. On your own
head be it. :o)

Nice to hear from you - hope you stay around.
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Penny
2021-01-04 14:33:30 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
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*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
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Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Angela
2021-01-04 14:48:14 UTC
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scrawled in the dust...
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*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
I guess I'm on probation on umra and am not yet afforded access to the
bunker. However as long as the locker has the proportions of the Tardis
I won't complain.

A.
Penny
2021-01-04 14:56:13 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
I guess I'm on probation on umra and am not yet afforded access to the
bunker. However as long as the locker has the proportions of the Tardis
I won't complain.
I don't think that's the problem, this 'locker' is also being offered in
the birthday thread.
Hmm, maybe stocks in the bunker are depleted due to the ongoing health
crisis and recent holiday period. Perhaps someone got locked in and claimed
to be 'isolating'?

I think this calls for a full investigation!
I'm off to defend the truffle hall...
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Mike McMillan
2021-01-04 15:52:22 UTC
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the dust...
Post by Angela
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
I guess I'm on probation on umra and am not yet afforded access to the
bunker. However as long as the locker has the proportions of the Tardis
I won't complain.
I don't think that's the problem, this 'locker' is also being offered in
the birthday thread.
Hmm, maybe stocks in the bunker are depleted due to the ongoing health
crisis and recent holiday period. Perhaps someone got locked in and claimed
to be 'isolating'?
I think this calls for a full investigation!
I'm off to defend the truffle hall...
As many chocolate supplies come from companies originally of the Quaker
persuasion, ITYWFT there is an area set aside to facilitate those requiring
a degree of isolation whilst still able to socialise from a safe distance
and imbibe double Belgium Choccie drink and the likes or crack open large
bars of 95%, 85%, 75% (and any other strength) cocoa solids produce. Do I
need to even mention that Milk, White, Fruit & Nut and even Caramac choccie
bars are freely available too?
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Sam Plusnet
2021-01-04 20:45:42 UTC
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Post by Penny
the dust...
Post by Angela
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
I guess I'm on probation on umra and am not yet afforded access to the
bunker. However as long as the locker has the proportions of the Tardis
I won't complain.
I don't think that's the problem, this 'locker' is also being offered in
the birthday thread.
Hmm, maybe stocks in the bunker are depleted due to the ongoing health
crisis and recent holiday period. Perhaps someone got locked in and claimed
to be 'isolating'?
I think this calls for a full investigation!
I'm off to defend the truffle hall...
There's a small sailing vessel on the horizon.
I think it's the Cr*sp Packet.
--
Sam Plusnet
Mike McMillan
2021-01-04 15:43:05 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
I guess I'm on probation on umra and am not yet afforded access to the
bunker. However as long as the locker has the proportions of the Tardis
I won't complain.
A.
All Umrats are welcome to enter all areas of the very extensive bunker but
see my previous post for weasel words for wibbling with.
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Chris
2021-01-05 13:57:50 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
I guess I'm on probation on umra and am not yet afforded access to the
bunker. However as long as the locker has the proportions of the Tardis
I won't complain.
A.
Oh it’s *very commodious*. It was set up by the late Lizbuff (Liz Blades).
Wouldn’t dream of downsizing it, she’d come back to haunt me.

Sincerely Chris
Mike McMillan
2021-01-04 15:41:18 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
Maybe it is a large locker that was set up clever Umrats as a special
measure for nut allergy sufferers so as to separate the chocolate enrobed
peanut / hazelnut bars in these days of litigious wig-wearing gentlemen in
places like The Old Bailey?
--
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Vicky Ayech
2021-01-04 18:01:03 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
Maybe it is a large locker that was set up clever Umrats as a special
measure for nut allergy sufferers so as to separate the chocolate enrobed
peanut / hazelnut bars in these days of litigious wig-wearing gentlemen in
places like The Old Bailey?
I actually could not remember the word bunker.
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-04 20:43:23 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
*laying a trail of chocolate from entrance door to chocolate locker. *
Locker?
Has the bunker been down-graded to a small lockable box, or is this some
sort of click-and-collect device?
That's locker as in "Lock her up!"

(One of those jolly sing-a-longs that Trump used at his rallies.)
--
Sam Plusnet
Sally Thompson
2021-01-03 20:07:10 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)
FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />
I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.
I'll now crawl back under my stone.
Angela
</delurk>
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela. Please stay
delurked! There has been a suggestion in the Other Place that while we are
living through these interesting times we might have more regular
get-togethers, so if we do then please join us!
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Angela
2021-01-03 20:44:08 UTC
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I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Post by Sally Thompson
There has been a suggestion in the Other Place
that while we are living through these interesting times we might have more regular
get-togethers, so if we do then please join us!
I'll keep half an eye on umra in case you ever have a chocolate party,
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.

Angela
BrritSki
2021-01-03 20:54:47 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Peccadildo ?

Steady on Angela, this is a family newsgrou...

Oh, sorry, as you were.

And welcome. Delurking not allowed...
Serena Blanchflower
2021-01-03 21:03:02 UTC
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And welcome. Delurking not allowed...
I think you got that the wrong way around, BrritSki; delurking is
positively welcomed, it's relurking which is not allowed...
--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Where did Sir Lancelot study?
A. Knight school.
BrritSki
2021-01-03 21:21:50 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
And welcome. Delurking not allowed...
I think you got that the wrong way around, BrritSki; delurking is
positively welcomed, it's relurking which is not allowed...
Doh ! It's been a long weekend paddling back up the river Great
Ouse...
Angela
2021-01-03 21:07:21 UTC
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Post by Angela
Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Peccadildo ?
Steady on Angela, this is a family newsgrou...
I decided not to type cock up lest I arouse indignation in certain quarters.

Seems I can't win. :-)

Angela
Chris
2021-01-03 21:16:46 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Peccadildo ?
Steady on Angela, this is a family newsgrou...
I decided not to type cock up lest I arouse indignation in certain quarters.
Seems I can't win. :-)
Angela
Guffaw. Angela, you’re welcome to take my mantle of FeedlinesRUs any time.

Sincerely Chris
Mike McMillan
2021-01-04 10:16:42 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Peccadildo ?
Steady on Angela, this is a family newsgrou...
I decided not to type cock up lest I arouse indignation in certain quarters.
Seems I can't win. :-)
Angela
Raising indignation? That’s just a phallusy!
--
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Chris
2021-01-03 21:16:46 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Post by Sally Thompson
There has been a suggestion in the Other Place
that while we are living through these interesting times we might have more regular
get-togethers, so if we do then please join us!
I'll keep half an eye on umra in case you ever have a chocolate party,
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
Angela
Oh that can easily be arranged!

Sincerely Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 03:04:02 UTC
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Post by Angela
I'll keep half an eye on umra in case you ever have a chocolate party,
Welcome from me too: as others have said, </delurk> (note the "/") is
not recognised hereabouts (-:.
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent
appearances.
Angela
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.
BrritSki
2021-01-04 08:43:01 UTC
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Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 18:17:38 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.

Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I
have one. -Cato the Elder, statesman, soldier, and writer (234-149 BCE)
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-04 21:21:41 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 21:34:38 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Anyone remember when the first one was? I'm pretty sure 'twas within the
last year, but everything blends this last year. (Unless you Vicky are
winding us up and it was you that organised that one - in which case you
indeed wouldn't have been invited.)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely.
- Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 08:49:27 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Anyone remember when the first one was? I'm pretty sure 'twas within the
last year, but everything blends this last year. (Unless you Vicky are
winding us up and it was you that organised that one - in which case you
indeed wouldn't have been invited.)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
--
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Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 11:00:02 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Anyone remember when the first one was? I'm pretty sure 'twas within the
last year, but everything blends this last year. (Unless you Vicky are
winding us up and it was you that organised that one - in which case you
indeed wouldn't have been invited.)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
Yes there is, you can turn off the camera - or you might not have one.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 13:10:36 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
[]
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Anyone remember when the first one was? I'm pretty sure 'twas within the
last year, but everything blends this last year. (Unless you Vicky are
winding us up and it was you that organised that one - in which case you
indeed wouldn't have been invited.)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
Yes there is, you can turn off the camera - or you might not have one.
Assuming it works efficiently then, sound only probably requires far less
bandwidth. Mine Dew, if you have Feline bosses, it is probably obligatory
that you also have a camera for them to walk through the field of vision of
occasionally. ;-)))
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-05 11:02:10 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
It's not presented as "sound only", but the option is there in practice
- "turn off my camera" or similar. My first thought was that, in some
zoom meetings (the sort where there is a meeting chairman for example),
raising a hand - or similar action - to indicate when you want to speak
is common, so provision has to be made for those present in sound only;
my second thought was that if you can still see the others, even if they
can't see you, you're still _receiving_ video, so it's probably still
quite data-hungry, though presumably less than if you're sending it too.

I don't know if you receive the full video stream from everybody and the
thumbnailing is done in your machine, or if the thumbnailing is done in
a server somewhere (at zoom) and you just receive a single video stream
from that server containing the thumbnails.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

31.69 nHz = once a year. (Julian Thomas)
Anne B
2021-01-05 12:03:04 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
It's not presented as "sound only", but the option is there in practice
- "turn off my camera" or similar. My first thought was that, in some
zoom meetings (the sort where there is a meeting chairman for example),
raising a hand - or similar action - to indicate when you want to speak
is common, so provision has to be made for those present in sound only;
In Zoom there's a tool at the bottom of your screen to wave an
electronic hand at the host if you want to say something without having
the video on.

Anne B
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-05 12:38:46 UTC
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Post by Anne B
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Mike McMillan
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
It's not presented as "sound only", but the option is there in
practice - "turn off my camera" or similar. My first thought was
that, in some zoom meetings (the sort where there is a meeting
chairman for example), raising a hand - or similar action - to
indicate when you want to speak is common, so provision has to be
made for those present in sound only;
In Zoom there's a tool at the bottom of your screen to wave an
electronic hand at the host if you want to say something without having
the video on.
Anne B
Thanks; I didn't know that.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the
presence of those who think they've found it. TERRY PRATCHETT
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 13:22:22 UTC
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[]
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
It's not presented as "sound only", but the option is there in practice
- "turn off my camera" or similar. My first thought was that, in some
zoom meetings (the sort where there is a meeting chairman for example),
raising a hand - or similar action - to indicate when you want to speak
is common, so provision has to be made for those present in sound only;
In Zoom there's a tool at the bottom of your screen to wave an
electronic hand at the host if you want to say something without having
the video on.
Anne B
I have contributed to a group for technology in the VH world; a number of
the contributors having no sight, no camera or even avatar - just their
voice and when they speak, their name of initials may be displayed on the
screen. The electronic hand is used in this group.
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 13:18:52 UTC
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[]
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
It's not presented as "sound only", but the option is there in practice
- "turn off my camera" or similar. My first thought was that, in some
zoom meetings (the sort where there is a meeting chairman for example),
raising a hand - or similar action - to indicate when you want to speak
is common, so provision has to be made for those present in sound only;
my second thought was that if you can still see the others, even if they
can't see you, you're still _receiving_ video, so it's probably still
quite data-hungry, though presumably less than if you're sending it too.
I don't know if you receive the full video stream from everybody and the
thumbnailing is done in your machine, or if the thumbnailing is done in
a server somewhere (at zoom) and you just receive a single video stream
from that server containing the thumbnails.
Unless there is a provision for the system to selectively send you
high(ish) definition of a selected camera whilst the rest are just
thumbnails, I don’t see that that could be so; we don’t use gallery view as
they are too small for us to see faces clearly. We see the ‘speaking’
camera view normally. I suppose the system might be switching all the time
so that the ‘speaking’ camera image is high def and all others are
thumbnail until their camera ‘speaks’ so to speak.
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Chris
2021-01-05 13:57:52 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Anyone remember when the first one was? I'm pretty sure 'twas within the
last year, but everything blends this last year. (Unless you Vicky are
winding us up and it was you that organised that one - in which case you
indeed wouldn't have been invited.)
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
[Sally - yes, I imagine zoom meetings do use a lot of bandwidth/data;
video usually does.]
Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
Yes, turn off video. I did one for people with sight loss last night and
they chose not to use video so that those with sight, like me, were on
equal footing for those who weren’t. Also, there may have been people
worldwide with less than broad bean. One of the three speakers was Gary
O’Donahue, late of “In Touch”. BoJo meant we wrapped it up with no Q and
A.

Sincerely Chris
Serena Blanchflower
2021-01-05 14:25:49 UTC
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Isn’t there an option for ‘sound only’?
Yes, a couple of options. Either you can use it, on a computer with
video switched off (which allows you to see other people, even though
they can't see you) or, if you don't have a computer/smartphone, you
can dial in from a dumb-phone which means it's audio only in both
directions.
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Best wishes, Serena
Depth of friendship does not depend on length of acquaintance.
(Rabindranath Tagore)
Sally Thompson
2021-01-04 22:52:47 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-05 09:03:34 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 09:53:51 UTC
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On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 11:00:02 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
You were definitely there, Vicky. I recognised your sitting room and stairs
on the second occasion.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 11:02:50 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent
appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
You were definitely there, Vicky. I recognised your sitting room and stairs
on the second occasion.
It was 8pm on 20th June.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-05 13:28:34 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent
appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
You were definitely there, Vicky. I recognised your sitting room and stairs
on the second occasion.
It was 8pm on 20th June.
I was there on the second, not the first
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 13:53:42 UTC
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On 5 Jan 2021 11:02:50 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent
appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
You were definitely there, Vicky. I recognised your sitting room and stairs
on the second occasion.
It was 8pm on 20th June.
I was there on the second, not the first
Trust my memory Vicky, (I’m only 73 y’know) you were there and several of
us remember seeing you!
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
BrritSki
2021-01-05 14:08:20 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
It was 8pm on 20th June.
I was there on the second, not the first
Post by Sally Thompson
This sounds like a lovely idea. I have enjoyed several Umra BBQs
in the
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sally Thompson
past so I shall try to surface from my burrow and attempt to
join you.
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sally Thompson
Thank you for setting this up.
Pauline
(Formerly from Luton/Reading and now back in East Suffolk)
It was good to see you, Pauline, you haven't changed a bit (how
did you
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sally Thompson
manage that?).
Summat to do with leaving Reading and now residing in Suffolk I think!
Thank you for organising it, Anne. I really enjoyed meeting everyone
and hope we can do it again, drinks or maybe coffee at a time dumrat
and Kate and others who were not there can attand, as well as those
who were there :)
Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 14:30:16 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
It was 8pm on 20th June.
I was there on the second, not the first
Post by Sally Thompson
This sounds like a lovely idea. I have enjoyed several Umra BBQs
in the
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sally Thompson
past so I shall try to surface from my burrow and attempt to
join you.
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sally Thompson
Thank you for setting this up.
Pauline
(Formerly from Luton/Reading and now back in East Suffolk)
It was good to see you, Pauline, you haven't changed a bit (how
did you
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by Sally Thompson
manage that?).
Summat to do with leaving Reading and now residing in Suffolk I think!
Thank you for organising it, Anne. I really enjoyed meeting everyone
and hope we can do it again, drinks or maybe coffee at a time dumrat
and Kate and others who were not there can attand, as well as those
who were there :)
Well researched that umrat!
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Chris
2021-01-05 14:03:06 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent
appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
You were definitely there, Vicky. I recognised your sitting room and stairs
on the second occasion.
And I recognised them from visiting you in the early noughties

Sincerely Chris
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-05 14:30:48 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
On 4 Jan 2021 22:52:47 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent
appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
I organised one on the longest day, in June. I'm pretty sure you were there
as well as the recent one,
I do not think I was there. I have no calendar note of it and no
recollection of it.
Oh but you were there Vicky, perhaps in spirit only then?
You were definitely there, Vicky. I recognised your sitting room and stairs
on the second occasion.
And I recognised them from visiting you in the early noughties
Sincerely Chris
I lived in Stoke Neiwngton then, CHris. And I have moved 4 times since
then and am in Watford now!

Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 08:48:07 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
Well Vicky, ISTRT you have been in attendance at both - did you gate crash?
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Vicky Ayech
2021-01-05 09:01:39 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
Well Vicky, ISTRT you have been in attendance at both - did you gate crash?
Therer was one I remember last week but when previously? I'm 75, you
know...
Chris
2021-01-05 13:57:51 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 18:17:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by BrritSki
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
A data limit so low that the odd bit of text affects it?
ITSM too low for frequent appearances at Zoom meetings.
Ah. Unlikely to be a problem - we've only had two on UMRA so far.
Two? I only got invited to one.
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Glad Angela/Skimble seems to be staying, anyway!
Well Vicky, ISTRT you have been in attendance at both - did you gate crash?
You didn’t stay long at the recent one, went off to stuff yer face.

Sincerely Chris
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-04 20:50:33 UTC
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I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Post by Sally Thompson
There has been a suggestion in the Other Place
that while we are living through these interesting times we might have more regular
get-togethers, so if we do then please join us!
I'll keep half an eye on umra in case you ever have a chocolate party,
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
--
Sam Plusnet
Sally Thompson
2021-01-04 21:13:58 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Post by Sally Thompson
There has been a suggestion in the Other Place
that while we are living through these interesting times we might have more regular
get-togethers, so if we do then please join us!
I'll keep half an eye on umra in case you ever have a chocolate party,
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre, so I genuinely
don't know.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
BrritSki
2021-01-05 08:34:23 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 11:00:01 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
BrritSki
2021-01-05 11:15:57 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ? ;)
Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 12:57:55 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ? ;)
Er, yes, presumably it is!
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
BrritSki
2021-01-05 12:58:41 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ? ;)
Er, yes, presumably it is!
Unlimited fibre... regular ;)
Sally Thompson
2021-01-05 13:08:57 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ? ;)
Er, yes, presumably it is!
Unlimited fibre... regular ;)
Duh!!
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 13:24:56 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ? ;)
Er, yes, presumably it is!
Unlimited fibre... regular ;)
Was that a voice from the bowels of UMRA? :::::::::: (there you are, no
need for any laxatives)
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
John Ashby
2021-01-05 13:00:56 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ?  ;)
If only there was some way of expressing appreciation of a remark that
was thought to be in bad tase, and someone who might adjudicate on
whether it was.

john
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 13:27:25 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre
DO you have regular Zoom meetings ?
Yes I do.
Is that a whoosh then ?  ;)
If only there was some way of expressing appreciation of a remark that
was thought to be in bad tase, and someone who might adjudicate on
whether it was.
:) but it was MV as I'm sure you know...
Have you tried eating any???
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Chris
2021-01-05 13:57:51 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Angela
Post by Sally Thompson
I'm delighted you delurked and solved the mystery Angela.
Thanks for being understanding about my peccadillo. I'll make sure I
keep it securely locked up in future.
Post by Sally Thompson
There has been a suggestion in the Other Place
that while we are living through these interesting times we might have more regular
get-togethers, so if we do then please join us!
I'll keep half an eye on umra in case you ever have a chocolate party,
but I have a monthly data limit so am unlikely to make frequent appearances.
The (one of) good things about newsgroups in general, & UMRA in
particular is that it is very light on its feet and has hardly any
impact on your data allowance.
But presumably Zoom gatherings do? I'm on unlimited fibre, so I genuinely
don't know.
Yes they are. When I use Zoom for conferences containing people in China
where broad bean is not, we turn off video so we don’t lose our friend who
has difficulty keeping a signal. This is in Beijing too.

Sincerely Chris
Chris
2021-01-03 21:16:45 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)
FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />
I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.
I'll now crawl back under my stone.
Angela
</delurk>
Oh no you don’t!! Welcome! If you’re a long term lurker I’ll just sign
off Chris McT, umra bbq hostess
Nick Odell
2021-01-03 22:48:17 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)
FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />
I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.
I'll now crawl back under my stone.
Welcome to umra, Angela and I'm delighted to learn that you are a
person, not a thing. Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I
might have needed further convincing.

Nick
Angela
2021-01-03 23:37:40 UTC
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Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
Post by Nick Odell
I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
Post by Nick Odell
Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.

:-)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 03:12:23 UTC
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Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
Post by Nick Odell
I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
Post by Nick Odell
Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
just check, I'm sure it'll be in Wikipedia - wow, yes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA says 1964-'6. (Read the screenshot
there to get the idea.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.
Penny
2021-01-04 09:20:54 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Angela
Post by Nick Odell
Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
Post by Nick Odell
I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
Post by Nick Odell
Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA says 1964-'6. (Read the screenshot
there to get the idea.)
But she doesn't even say, "How does that make you feel?"
Wouldn't fool anyone ;)
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
DavidK
2021-01-04 10:17:03 UTC
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Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
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I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
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Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA says 1964-'6. (Read the screenshot
there to get the idea.)
But she doesn't even say, "How does that make you feel?"
Wouldn't fool anyone ;)
doctor is still available within emacs
Peter
2021-01-04 15:24:52 UTC
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Post by Angela
Post by Nick Odell
Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
Post by Nick Odell
I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
Post by Nick Odell
Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA says 1964-'6. (Read the screenshot
there to get the idea.)
But she doesn't even say, "How does that make you feel?"
Wouldn't fool anyone ;)
doctor is still available within emacs
Emacs are a kind of doctor's PPE, are they?
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recognized as one of the villains of this century, in order to
induce him to a negative judgment, he replied: "My situation is
so different from his, that it is not for me to pass judgment".
Ernst Specker on Paul Bernays
Mike McMillan
2021-01-04 15:55:04 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 03:12:23 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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Post by Angela
Post by Nick Odell
Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
Post by Nick Odell
I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
Post by Nick Odell
Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed
further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA says 1964-'6. (Read the screenshot
there to get the idea.)
But she doesn't even say, "How does that make you feel?"
Wouldn't fool anyone ;)
doctor is still available within emacs
Emacs are a kind of doctor's PPE, are they?
It has been (wrongly, I believe) said that Macintosh ‘Puters don’t suffer
viral attacks such as those that infect many a ‘PC’ Puter.
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
John Ashby
2021-01-04 17:10:22 UTC
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Post by Angela
Post by Nick Odell
Welcome to umra, Angela
Thank you, Nick.
Post by Nick Odell
I'm delighted to learn that you are a person, not a thing.
What makes you delighted to learn that I am a person, not a thing?
Post by Nick Odell
Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed
further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA says 1964-'6. (Read the screenshot
there to get the idea.)
But she doesn't even say, "How does that make you feel?"
Wouldn't fool anyone ;)
doctor is still available within emacs
Emacs are a kind of doctor's PPE, are they?
It has been (wrongly, I believe) said that Macintosh ‘Puters don’t suffer
viral attacks such as those that infect many a ‘PC’ Puter.
There are those (usually emacs users) who believe vi is short for virus.

john
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 18:20:02 UTC
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Mind you, if your first name had been Eliza I might have needed
further convincing.
Please explain why you might have needed further convincing, Nick.
:-)
(I'm not Nick but) Eliza was a fun - but quite believable, in the day -
psychologist program, in the 1980s I think, though maybe earlier. Let me
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But she doesn't even say, "How does that make you feel?"
Wouldn't fool anyone ;)
I said psychologist, not reporter!
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Post by DavidK
doctor is still available within emacs
Excellent to know! (Is there a Windows port?)
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Post by Mike McMillan
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Emacs are a kind of doctor's PPE, are they?
Only for virtual meetings, I presume!
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Post by Mike McMillan
It has been (wrongly, I believe) said that Macintosh ‘Puters don’t suffer
viral attacks such as those that infect many a ‘PC’ Puter.
There are those (usually emacs users) who believe vi is short for virus.
john
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DavidK
2021-01-04 20:51:15 UTC
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It has been (wrongly, I believe) said that Macintosh ‘Puters don’t suffer
viral attacks such as those that infect many a ‘PC’ Puter.
I believe this is because apps can't be side-loaded on a mac (they have
to be signed, and so, theoretically, every app has been scrutinised and
vetted.
Mike McMillan
2021-01-05 08:45:20 UTC
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It has been (wrongly, I believe) said that Macintosh ‘Puters don’t suffer
viral attacks such as those that infect many a ‘PC’ Puter.
I believe this is because apps can't be side-loaded on a mac (they have
to be signed, and so, theoretically, every app has been scrutinised and
vetted.
Well yes, mine certainly are! Don’t want no Trum.... Viral rubbish getting
into my clean machines!
--
Toodle Pip (My other iPad is an old Pro)
Sam Plusnet
2021-01-04 20:56:27 UTC
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doctor is still available within emacs
??

I only know of emacs as a Yorkshire dialect word for wet weather.
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Sam Plusnet
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-01-04 21:12:09 UTC
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doctor is still available within emacs
??
I only know of emacs as a Yorkshire dialect word for wet weather.
What, as in "ee, macs will be needed today"?

(EMACS is a computer prog. from the dark days of UNIX [so probably
available on Linux]; IIRR it was originally a text editor, though like
many UNIX utilities grew other functions.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely.
- Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15
krw
2021-01-03 23:23:06 UTC
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Anyone here go under the name of skimble? Zoom tells me skimble has joined
the Umra Christmas Drinks party. A week late so I'm doubtful.
<delurk>
Humble apologies, it was I. I needed to download and use Zoom for the
first time for something totally unrelated, and I regret that I
attempted to make use of your meeting login details to test out the Zoom
system before my own meeting. Because your drinks party was long
finished it didn't occur to me that you would be notified about me. I
wasn't looking for a free drink, honest. :-)
FYI I am an occasional listener of TA and have been a very irregular
lurker on umra for many years - in fact my addled brain can just about
recall the pre-umra days when we made excessive use of uk.misc to
discuss TA. A couple of current umrats may possibly remember me from
long ago. <waves to Nick L />
I am not a "thing" or a bot looking for self-promotion as Nick O
suggested, but I did indeed have TS Eliot in mind (NOT the musical). My
original plan twenty or more years ago was to set up various
email/usenet personae using different cats' names, but in practice I
never got beyond the first one, skimble, which was chosen for its
railway connection.
I'll now crawl back under my stone.
Angela
</delurk>
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Sam Plusnet
2021-01-04 20:53:00 UTC
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I'll now crawl back under my stone.
You too eh?

I must have put on a stone over Christmas.
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