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Mike
2020-08-22 13:29:37 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
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2020-08-22 14:36:41 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
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2020-08-22 17:40:29 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
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Mike
2020-08-23 12:25:05 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
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Jenny M Benson
2020-08-23 15:16:26 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
But would it be ah raining?
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Sjouke Burry
2020-08-23 16:12:56 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
But would it be ah raining?
At least somewhere.....
Mike
2020-08-23 17:36:23 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
But would it be ah raining?
Not on Sundays.
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Sam Plusnet
2020-08-24 01:07:24 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
But would it be ah raining?
Send a tray of Bread pudding to Malaya!
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Nick Odell
2020-08-23 23:14:50 UTC
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium

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Vicky Ayech
2020-08-23 20:41:59 UTC
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Post by Mike
But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium
Nick
I had gfs who were travel couriers when that film came out. I was one
for British Student Travel Centre for a summer, 1968.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-08-23 20:50:48 UTC
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It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium
Nick
I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
(Time is an illusion - lunchtime doubly so.)
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I had gfs who were travel couriers when that film came out. I was one
for British Student Travel Centre for a summer, 1968.
And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
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Chris J Dixon
2020-08-24 07:41:10 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.

Chris
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Sally Thompson
2020-08-24 08:25:16 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
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Mike
2020-08-24 08:39:01 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
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Jenny M Benson
2020-08-24 09:03:40 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
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Mike
2020-08-24 11:46:49 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
:-)))
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Steve Hague
2020-08-25 07:54:29 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
:-)))
It's a good job we're all so much more intelligent than them.
Chris McMillan
2020-08-25 08:22:19 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
:-)))
It's a good job we're all so much more intelligent than them.
I’m thoroughly guilty of taking nothing but photos and little else. I can
then enjoy what I couldn’t see afterwards, And yes it’s perfectly true I
don’t get a taste of what the ears and the skin take in the way the blind
do. I’m beginning to wonder if my hearing has been wanting in the same way
my circulation and lack of height have always been along with the eyes.

Sincerely Chris
Chris J Dixon
2020-08-24 16:03:40 UTC
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My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
That has now evolved into recording live events on your phone,
rather than simply watching. I can't imagine the results are
worth the effort.

Chris
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Joe Kerr
2020-08-24 16:27:41 UTC
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My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
That has now evolved into recording live events on your phone,
rather than simply watching. I can't imagine the results are
worth the effort.
Chris
But that way they only have to watch the good bits and can skip over the
rest and save time. Or something.
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Peter
2020-08-24 17:36:50 UTC
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My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall.  He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
That has now evolved into recording live events on your phone,
rather than simply watching. I can't imagine the results are
worth the effort.
Chris
But that way they only have to watch the good bits and can skip over the
rest and save time. Or something.
The good bits of the Berlin Wall are the bits that aren't there!
Sid Nuncius
2020-08-24 18:12:13 UTC
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My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall. He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
That has now evolved into recording live events on your phone,
rather than simply watching. I can't imagine the results are
worth the effort.
This is not a wholly new phenomenon. When I was young there were always
people who thought the point of visiting somewhere was to take a lot of
photos rather than actually to experience the place. And I may have
bored umrats before with the time wofe and I visited Mount St. Helens,
whose crater was still steaming post-eruption. We climbed up to Windy
Ridge where the surrounding scene was simply awe-inspiring and for me
having been there in person is one of the unforgettable events of my
life. Someone else arrived after us having also completed the quite
arduous climb, put his video camera to his eye, took a panorama and left
immediately without ever looking at the magnificent desolation around
him other than through a lens.

To be fair to the Americans, there was another woman there who, after
looking in silence for some time said loudly to her friend, "Hell, what
else would you want to spend your money on?" so they're by no means all
like Video Man.
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John Ashby
2020-08-24 18:37:06 UTC
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My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall.  He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
That has now evolved into recording live events on your phone,
rather than simply watching. I can't imagine the results are
worth the effort.
This is not a wholly new phenomenon.  When I was young there were always
people who thought the point of visiting somewhere was to take a lot of
photos rather than actually to experience the place.  And I may have
bored umrats before with the time wofe and I visited Mount St. Helens,
whose crater was still steaming post-eruption.  We climbed up to Windy
Ridge where the surrounding scene was simply awe-inspiring and for me
having been there in person is one of the unforgettable events of my
life.  Someone else arrived after us having also completed the quite
arduous climb, put his video camera to his eye, took a panorama and left
immediately without ever looking at the magnificent desolation around
him other than through a lens.
To be fair to the Americans, there was another woman there who, after
looking in silence for some time said loudly to her friend, "Hell, what
else would you want to spend your money on?" so they're by no means all
like Video Man.
Three stories:

1. A while back we visited the Oxford Natural History Museum which has
the wonderful Pitt Rivers Museum at its back. Seated in the entrance
portico were a group of oriental boys, all playing on their phones.

2. We went to the original Geyser in Iceland which was surrounded by
people with their backs to the eruption taking selfies.

3. Whalewatching in New Zealand a humpback breached about twenty metres
from the boat, dived and left its trademark footprint, a slowly
spreading circle of calm water. Next to me on the taff rail was a woman
with a video camera in one hand and a still camera. She wailed "I didn't
know which one to use so I missed it."

john
Chris McMillan
2020-08-25 08:01:40 UTC
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My brother was once on a coach trip that visited the Berlin Wall.  He
told us how all the Usians rushed to take photos with their Polaroid
cameras and then sat on the coach and looked at the pictures, ignoring
the real thing just outside!
That has now evolved into recording live events on your phone,
rather than simply watching. I can't imagine the results are
worth the effort.
This is not a wholly new phenomenon.  When I was young there were always
people who thought the point of visiting somewhere was to take a lot of
photos rather than actually to experience the place.  And I may have
bored umrats before with the time wofe and I visited Mount St. Helens,
whose crater was still steaming post-eruption.  We climbed up to Windy
Ridge where the surrounding scene was simply awe-inspiring and for me
having been there in person is one of the unforgettable events of my
life.  Someone else arrived after us having also completed the quite
arduous climb, put his video camera to his eye, took a panorama and left
immediately without ever looking at the magnificent desolation around
him other than through a lens.
To be fair to the Americans, there was another woman there who, after
looking in silence for some time said loudly to her friend, "Hell, what
else would you want to spend your money on?" so they're by no means all
like Video Man.
1. A while back we visited the Oxford Natural History Museum which has
the wonderful Pitt Rivers Museum at its back. Seated in the entrance
portico were a group of oriental boys, all playing on their phones.
2. We went to the original Geyser in Iceland which was surrounded by
people with their backs to the eruption taking selfies.
3. Whalewatching in New Zealand a humpback breached about twenty metres
from the boat, dived and left its trademark footprint, a slowly
spreading circle of calm water. Next to me on the taff rail was a woman
with a video camera in one hand and a still camera. She wailed "I didn't
know which one to use so I missed it."
john
Never offer to be a friendly face with orientals: they’re nationally
obsessed with selfies and group photos and have been ever since digital
cameras were invented. They’re like children with new toys.

Sincerely Chris
Joe Kerr
2020-08-24 16:22:12 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My father was once accosted by one in Europe who was flying back home
via London the next day.

"I have two hours between flights at Heathrow. What should I see of
England in that time?"

"Well... It'll take you an hour to get from Heathrow to central London..."
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Vicky Ayech
2020-08-24 16:43:35 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My father was once accosted by one in Europe who was flying back home
via London the next day.
"I have two hours between flights at Heathrow. What should I see of
England in that time?"
"Well... It'll take you an hour to get from Heathrow to central London..."
It can take an two hours to get off the plane, get to the checkin for
the next flight and then get to the gate.
Anne B
2020-08-24 19:13:50 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My father was once accosted by one in Europe who was flying back home
via London the next day.
"I have two hours between flights at Heathrow. What should I see of
England in that time?"
"Well... It'll take you an hour to get from Heathrow to central London..."
It can take an two hours to get off the plane, get to the checkin for
the next flight and then get to the gate.
Edinburgh Tourist Information Centre about 40 years ago, late afernoon.
Merkin: "We'd like to do an evening tour of Scaatland after dinner. Can
you give us a suggested itinerary?"
TIC Staff: "Of course. Had you any particular places in mind?"
Merkin: "Well if it could take in Laach Ness and Laach Katreen that'd be
great".

Anne B
Sam Plusnet
2020-08-24 19:54:05 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My father was once accosted by one in Europe who was flying back home
via London the next day.
"I have two hours between flights at Heathrow. What should I see of
England in that time?"
"The Sock Shop, and M&S."
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"Well... It'll take you an hour to get from Heathrow to central London..."
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Nick Odell
2020-08-24 23:16:25 UTC
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My father was once accosted by one in Europe who was flying back home
via London the next day.
"I have two hours between flights at Heathrow. What should I see of
England in that time?"
"Well... It'll take you an hour to get from Heathrow to central London..."
That is obviously pointless but I don't mind admitting that I (used
to, back in the days of commercial flying) pick flights with very long
connections in between. For one thing, they are generally much cheaper
than direct flights or ones with quick connections. For another, my
first taste of a new city has often been taken that way. In most cases
it has inspired me to go back and see it properly. Even after
experiencing Chicago(1) in mid-February when I was quite literally the
only idiot walking down the streets against the freezing cold wind, I
was happy to go back for more a couple of years later. In summer this
time.

Nick
Nick Odell
2020-08-24 23:38:17 UTC
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 20:16:25 -0300, Nick Odell
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
I don’t think the ‘Merkins would ‘waste’ a *whole* day just on Venice!
My father was once accosted by one in Europe who was flying back home
via London the next day.
"I have two hours between flights at Heathrow. What should I see of
England in that time?"
"Well... It'll take you an hour to get from Heathrow to central London..."
That is obviously pointless but I don't mind admitting that I (used
to, back in the days of commercial flying) pick flights with very long
connections in between. For one thing, they are generally much cheaper
than direct flights or ones with quick connections. For another, my
first taste of a new city has often been taken that way. In most cases
it has inspired me to go back and see it properly. Even after
experiencing Chicago(1) in mid-February when I was quite literally the
only idiot walking down the streets against the freezing cold wind, I
was happy to go back for more a couple of years later. In summer this
time.
Ooops! Sorry about the missing footlingnote. Actually there wasn't one
because I reworded the message so it didn't need one.

As you were.

Nick
BrritSki
2020-08-25 07:38:50 UTC
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That is obviously pointless but I don't mind admitting that I (used
to, back in the days of commercial flying) pick flights with very long
connections in between. For one thing, they are generally much cheaper
than direct flights or ones with quick connections.
Although it was not a flight, my very first trip to London was when I
went for my first [1] RAF assessment centre at Biggin Hill, probably in
1962 after I had applied for a Cranwell Scholarship. I took a morning
train from Coventry to Euston, walked around central London for about 4
hours and then caught my second train to Bromley South.

[1] I failed that one and then passed the one to get the University
Scholarship [2]. That may have been because one of the tests was to use
a joystick to keep a dot in the centre of a CRT and then whenever a
light flashed you had to pull a lever back if the light was green and
push it forwards if the light was red [3]. On the earlier visit I'd
noticed that the light came on one by one down the line and if you were
at the end of the line and used your peripheral vision you could know
what colour was coming and improve your reaction time no end. Maybe that
bit of "creativity" (aka cheating) was why I wasn't such a great pilot,
but it also helped that I applied for a place as an Air Electronics
Engineer and then transferred to the Pilot branch when (briefly) at Uni
(Newcastle BSc Hons Joint degree in Maths and Physics with Chem. subsid.
- even if it hadn't been 2/3rds of both the Maths and Physics degrees
and 1/3rd of the Chemistry, it was way beyond me).

[2] I may have been another time between those two when I applied for
the ATC Flying Scholarship (which I was awarded and was why I had a PPL
around the time of my 18th birthday).

[3] A very early video game :) Another test was an irregular spiral of
contacts on a rotating shaft and you had to manoeuvre an arm with
another contact so you maintained the circuit. Very easy, except that
the free contact kept moving after you'd stopped turning the wheel that
controlled it which made it a challenge.
Nick Odell
2020-08-26 02:12:44 UTC
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:38:50 +0100, BrritSki
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Post by Nick Odell
That is obviously pointless but I don't mind admitting that I (used
to, back in the days of commercial flying) pick flights with very long
connections in between. For one thing, they are generally much cheaper
than direct flights or ones with quick connections.
Although it was not a flight, my very first trip to London was when I
went for my first [1] RAF assessment centre at Biggin Hill, probably in
1962 after I had applied for a Cranwell Scholarship. I took a morning
train from Coventry to Euston, walked around central London for about 4
hours and then caught my second train to Bromley South.
[1] I failed that one and then passed the one to get the University
Scholarship [2]. That may have been because one of the tests was to use
a joystick to keep a dot in the centre of a CRT and then whenever a
light flashed you had to pull a lever back if the light was green and
push it forwards if the light was red [3]. On the earlier visit I'd
noticed that the light came on one by one down the line and if you were
at the end of the line and used your peripheral vision you could know
what colour was coming and improve your reaction time no end. Maybe that
bit of "creativity" (aka cheating) was why I wasn't such a great pilot,
but it also helped that I applied for a place as an Air Electronics
Engineer and then transferred to the Pilot branch when (briefly) at Uni
(Newcastle BSc Hons Joint degree in Maths and Physics with Chem. subsid.
- even if it hadn't been 2/3rds of both the Maths and Physics degrees
and 1/3rd of the Chemistry, it was way beyond me).
[2] I may have been another time between those two when I applied for
the ATC Flying Scholarship (which I was awarded and was why I had a PPL
around the time of my 18th birthday).
[3] A very early video game :) Another test was an irregular spiral of
contacts on a rotating shaft and you had to manoeuvre an arm with
another contact so you maintained the circuit. Very easy, except that
the free contact kept moving after you'd stopped turning the wheel that
controlled it which made it a challenge.
I wonder if that bit of "creativity" might have been just what they
were looking for? A fascinating read: thanks for sharing.

Nick

Nick Odell
2020-08-24 18:46:36 UTC
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On 24 Aug 2020 08:25:16 GMT, Sally Thompson
Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
Not to be confused with See, Naples and Die, the firm of family
solicitors.

Nick
steveski
2020-08-24 15:58:55 UTC
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Not to be confused with See, Naples and Die, the firm of family
solicitors.
I thought that they were Welsh.
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Steveski
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-08-24 18:21:00 UTC
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Not to be confused with See, Naples and Die, the firm of family
solicitors.
I thought that they were Welsh.
My mother _assured_ me there was such a firm in Nottingham called
Skinner and Rook.
I definitely remember "L. S. Dee, Turf Accountants" (for younger UMRAts
[are there any?], bookmakers used to call themselves that) in
Bedlington, though that might have been invented/contrived rather than
their real name. (The garage round the corner still has - as it has for
most of if not more than 60 years - a sign saying "tyred and exhausted",
though I don't think that's actually their name.)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"We're plumbing shallows we didn't know existed here" - Jeremy Paxman (as
quizmaster of "University Challenge"), 1998 (when losing team suddenly put on a
spurt by showing knowledge of things like the Eurovision Song Contest ...)
Sam Plusnet
2020-08-24 19:50:26 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
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And the underlying behaviour isn't limited to American tourists, of
course; British tourists in America have been known to have unrealistic
plans of what they can see in a short time ...
Which reminds me of the time we spent a day only scratching the
surface of what the Hermitage had to offer, and encountered a
tour group who swept in and were told that they had half an hour
to wander freely before they had to be back on their coach.
And reminds me of the friend who told me that you can see Venice in a day!
Even less - if you have a window seat on the aircraft.

P.S. Or you can sit at home and watch a boat tour of Venice on YouTube.
(Starts at 08:30, temperature already 31°C.)
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Sam Plusnet
Nick Odell
2020-08-24 00:39:42 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:41:59 +0100, Vicky Ayech
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:14:50 -0300, Nick Odell
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the dust...
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But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium
Nick
I had gfs who were travel couriers when that film came out. I was one
for British Student Travel Centre for a summer, 1968.
So sad to read that their latest incarnation - STA Travel - filed for
bankrupcy this week. They were brilliant as a student organisation and
had morphed into one of the most professional Travel Agencies in the
business.

A great shame.

Nick
Chris McMillan
2020-08-25 06:58:47 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:41:59 +0100, Vicky Ayech
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:14:50 -0300, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Mike
Post by Penny
the dust...
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Post by Mike
But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today’s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium
Nick
I had gfs who were travel couriers when that film came out. I was one
for British Student Travel Centre for a summer, 1968.
So sad to read that their latest incarnation - STA Travel - filed for
bankrupcy this week. They were brilliant as a student organisation and
had morphed into one of the most professional Travel Agencies in the
business.
A great shame.
Nick
This seems to be one the very few travel coys everyone is united in its
praise for and sadness it seeing it go.

Sincerely Chris
Vicky Ayech
2020-08-25 08:27:02 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:41:59 +0100, Vicky Ayech
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:14:50 -0300, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Mike
Post by Penny
the dust...
Post by Dumrat
Post by Mike
But somerat mentioned that Auntie was shifting the start time for the
Monday Dramas which then entailed a change in their routine, well, today?s
(Saturday) drama starts at 14:55 and is apparently 1 hour 2 minutes in
duration ?;-)
I can't remember the thread, but 'twas Penny that mentioned it, I think!
It was indeed. I managed not to fall into that particular pit last Monday
and I managed to hear most of this afternoon's drama - Saturdays always
confuse me, but how would I know it was Saturday if I didn't get confused?
If it was Tokyo, you would know it was Wednesday...
If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium
Nick
I had gfs who were travel couriers when that film came out. I was one
for British Student Travel Centre for a summer, 1968.
So sad to read that their latest incarnation - STA Travel - filed for
bankrupcy this week. They were brilliant as a student organisation and
had morphed into one of the most professional Travel Agencies in the
business.
A great shame.
Nick
This seems to be one the very few travel coys everyone is united in its
praise for and sadness it seeing it go.
Sincerely Chris
Summer 1968 I ran their employment programme for visiting Canadian
students over for a summer. I had a couple of very nice business
lunches with the contact person from the High Commission. One Manzies,
the fish restaurant which is no longer there, and one in the Swiss
Centre, I think. Or was that with the manager of that.... I don't
think that's there now either.
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