So Farewell Then

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.

(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-09 15:17:00 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.
(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

I'm sure I can't be AOU in being somewhat puzzled by the amount of
coverage this is getting. As I said when I tweeted about it, how do I
say this without appearing to be either uncaring or disrespectful of the
person concerned, neither of which I am - but, this is one missing
person, but seems to be getting a double-digit percentage of news
coverage.

I hope they _do_ find him alive (though sadly that looks less and less
likely), but that doesn't change my above.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm too lazy to have a bigger ego. - James May, RT 2016/1/23-29

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-09 18:41:14 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.
(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

You aren't alone. As I have never heard of... Michael Mosley[1] I was
quite puzzled.
I tend to not watch TV nor listen to much radio, so I AM out of touch
with the zeitgeist.

[1] I had to revisit Nick's post to find the name.

--
Sam Plusnet

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-09 22:02:39 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile
phone with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.
(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

I'm sure I can't be AOU in being somewhat puzzled by the amount of
coverage this is getting. As I said when I tweeted about it, how do
I say this without appearing to be either uncaring or disrespectful
of the person concerned, neither of which I am - but, this is one
missing person, but seems to be getting a double-digit percentage of
news coverage.

He turns up, sorry, turned up from time to time on various hypochondriac
programmes broadcast on R4 in the afternoon.

Rosie

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-09 22:00:45 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile
phone with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.
(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

I'm sure I can't be AOU in being somewhat puzzled by the amount of
coverage this is getting. As I said when I tweeted about it, how do I
say this without appearing to be either uncaring or disrespectful of
the person concerned, neither of which I am - but, this is one missing
person, but seems to be getting a double-digit percentage of news
coverage.
I hope they _do_ find him alive (though sadly that looks less and less
likely), but that doesn't change my above.

One of the BBC's own innit.

Rosie

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-09 22:55:34 UTC

[]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I'm sure I can't be AOU in being somewhat puzzled by the amount of
coverage this is getting. As I said when I tweeted about it, how do I

[]

Post by Rosie Mitchell
One of the BBC's own innit.
Rosie

I feared that there was an element of that in it. As I rarely listen to
other news, I didn't know if that was true. Though it did feature in the
news stripe on my YouTube page, so it isn't just BBC.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

People wear anoraks because it's cold outside and it rains, not to annoy the
editors of style magazines. - Ben Elton, Radio Times 18-24 April 1998

Kate B

2024-06-10 09:43:31 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile
phone with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.
(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

I'm sure I can't be AOU in being somewhat puzzled by the amount of
coverage this is getting. As I said when I tweeted about it, how do I
say this without appearing to be either uncaring or disrespectful of
the person concerned, neither of which I am - but, this is one missing
person, but seems to be getting a double-digit percentage of news
coverage.
I hope they _do_ find him alive (though sadly that looks less and less
likely), but that doesn't change my above.

One of the BBC's own innit.

Yes, and both popular and surprisingly effective in getting some basic
principles of healthy living over to the non-umratic masses. I met him -
his wife is a cousin of my stepdaughter's husband (do keep up at the
back). He was a very nice guy, which is also quite unusual in meeja circles.

--
Kate B

BrritSki

2024-06-15 14:19:38 UTC

Post by Kate B
Yes, and both popular and surprisingly effective in getting some basic
principles of healthy living over to the non-umratic masses. I met him -
his wife is a cousin of my stepdaughter's husband (do keep up at the
back). He was a very nice guy, which is also quite unusual in meeja circles.

<LW>

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-09 21:59:06 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

Like all the best BT, very funny and clever so I nominate.
(Do I have to use "BTN" somewhere so the BTM will be sure to spot it?)

I have spotted it. But yes, you should in case I want to search the
message base.

But you have anyway, unless you mean you were trying to trade in Bhutan
ngultrums. They're a bit weird in Bhutan so you might regret it if so.

Oh, my answer is yes.

Rosie

Nick Odell

2024-06-09 18:07:29 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

BTN! Of course it's not too soon.

May I wander around this subject a bit in a bad-tastey sort of way?
Though I'm not fishing for nominations, thank you. It is a bit of a
wander, so feel free to skip on to the next message.

A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet - mentioned that a friend of his had died
recently. He had been private pilot who had recently received a
terminal diagnosis. On a lovely clear day he took off in his plane,
flew some distance from populated places and then the next thing
anybody knew, and without any Mayday call or anything, the machine
crashed into an empty field.

I was thinking about this as I read that 90-year-old Retired Maj Gen
William Anders, the former Apollo 8 astronaut who took the famous
Earthrise photo had been killed on Friday when the plane he was
piloting alone plummeted into the waters off the San Juan Islands in
Washington state. It attracted my attention because the islands are in
a channel between the USA and Canada and from where my son lives in
Victoria we can often see aircraft flying over there.

I don't like to watch plane crash videos because it's all too horrible
but given that he wasn't just a highly experienced pilot but a highly
skilled one at that, I wondered what had gone wrong? The aircraft
flies on a straight track and then appears to flip onto its back and
enter a loop. It's a maneuver which, executed from about 5000ft higher
up leaves the aircraft the right way up and facing 180 degrees from
the original track. It's often done at air shows. It's a maneuver
which, when executed as Anders did, meant that the aircraft hit the
water with maximum force. The location was in an "empty" bit of sea
near a nature reserve where the impact wouldn't cause harm to anybody.
I can't help wondering if he wanted family and friends to believe it
was an accident but that the chance video recording may have spoiled
that?

Michael Mosley. I was disappointed with Just One Thing. I listened to
it and thought it was very clever but then next week, there was Just
Another Thing, and then another and another. It wasn't just one thing
after all!

But leaving that aside, I was afraid this was going to end badly
because I had always thought that I was the only person who never
carried a mobile phone and that anybody else who usually carries one
would never be parted from it. Unless there was Just One Reason why
they should.

Nick

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-09 22:06:58 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

BTN! Of course it's not too soon.

More trade in Bhutan ngultrums (ngultra?)?

I'm afraid Jenny beat you to it.

Rosie

Nick Odell

2024-06-10 03:47:15 UTC

On Sun, 09 Jun 2024 23:06:58 +0100, Rosie Mitchell

Post by john ashby
If you can do just one thing it's remember to take your mobile phone
with you when walking in a Greek wilderness.

BTN! Of course it's not too soon.

More trade in Bhutan ngultrums (ngultra?)?
I'm afraid Jenny beat you to it.

Apologies. I wasn't trying to usurp Jenny's BTN, I was just trying to
reassure John that it's never to0 soon to pitch for a BTN. Not that
John needs any reassurance.

Nick

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-09 22:57:29 UTC

In message <***@4ax.com> at Sun, 9 Jun
2024 19:07:29, Nick Odell <***@yahoo.ca> writes
[]

Post by Nick Odell
But leaving that aside, I was afraid this was going to end badly
because I had always thought that I was the only person who never
carried a mobile phone and that anybody else who usually carries one
would never be parted from it. Unless there was Just One Reason why
they should.
Nick

YANA. I don't keep mine in a pocket - only a bag that I'm not always
carrying. (And I'm not entirely sure how to answer an incoming call on
it [a dumbphone].)

Nick Odell

2024-06-10 03:56:25 UTC

YANA. I don't keep mine in a pocket - only a bag that I'm not always
carrying. (And I'm not entirely sure how to answer an incoming call on
it [a dumbphone].)

Not that I'm an expert but I think there's probably a key underneath
the left hand side of the phone screen with a symbol that resembles a
squashed "u" and it's probably coloured green. It's presumably meant
to indicate picking up a traditional phone handset. Press to answer.

Over on the right hand side of the phone, underneath the screen there
should be a corresponding key with a symbol approximating to a
squashed "n." It's probably coloured red and is probably meant to
bring to mind the act of putting down a traditional telephone handset
when the call is over. Press to end.

Nick

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 08:38:12 UTC

In message <***@4ax.com> at Mon, 10 Jun
2024 04:56:25, Nick Odell <***@yahoo.ca> writes
[]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
YANA. I don't keep mine in a pocket - only a bag that I'm not always
carrying. (And I'm not entirely sure how to answer an incoming call on
it [a dumbphone].)

I have such a key - one of two such; it's a squashed _inverted_ u - and
it never occurred to me that it was supposed to look like a handset (or
"receiver" as I think it was sometimes called). (All my keys are black
though.)

Post by Nick Odell
Over on the right hand side of the phone, underneath the screen there
should be a corresponding key with a symbol approximating to a
squashed "n." It's probably coloured red and is probably meant to
bring to mind the act of putting down a traditional telephone handset
when the call is over. Press to end.

On mine, it's the squashed inverted u again, with a little circle below
it. I can see now that it's supposed to represent putting the receiver
back on the 'phone body!

Post by Nick Odell
Nick

Thanks. I knew those were the two relevant buttons, but some difficulty
remembering which was which (and was obviously worried about pressing
the wrong one); now I see what they're supposed to represent, I (think
I) will remember!

(When I had a smartphone, took me a while how to figure out how to
answer on that, too; it was swipe right, IIRR.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

live your dash. ... On your tombstone, there's the date you're born and the
date you die - and in between there's a dash. - a friend quoted by Dustin
Hoffman in Radio Times, 5-11 January 2013

Kosmo

2024-06-10 08:47:10 UTC

YANA. I don't keep mine in a pocket - only a bag that I'm not always
carrying. (And I'm not entirely sure how to answer an incoming call on
it [a dumbphone].)

Not that I'm an expert but I think there's probably a key underneath
the left hand side of the phone screen with a symbol that resembles a
squashed "u" and it's probably coloured green. It's presumably meant
to indicate picking up a traditional phone handset. Press to answer.
Over on the right hand side of the phone, underneath the screen there
should be a corresponding key with a symbol approximating to a
squashed "n." It's probably coloured red and is probably meant to
bring to mind the act of putting down a traditional telephone handset
when the call is over. Press to end.
Nick

I wonder how "remote" Symi is. Looking online at satellite maps of the
area traversed by the late Doctor I am struck by it being a fairly
featureless and relatively unmarked rocky area. If there is little
signal then there is no point in taking a phone away from the hotel
(where there may be a signal) to the beach etc.

Press reports indicate that the path takes about 40 minutes between his
last known sighting and assumed / planned destination - he was about 80
yards short reportedly. There is a path marked on the map but looking
at the satellite images it is far from obvious and to attempt it at the
hottest part of the day seems to bear out Noel Coward.

We must all remember that we are not getting any younger.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Joe Kerr

2024-06-10 02:45:14 UTC

Sometimes people put their phone on charge then put their shoes on,
spruce themselves up and dash out the door. They then feel really silly
when they realise they have left the shopping list on their phone
charging at home.

I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when you
might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps get you
somewhere.)

--
Ric

Nick Odell

2024-06-10 04:04:28 UTC

I don't have that problem because I don't take a phone with me but to
make sure I take the essentials, I have a little ritual I perform
before I leave the house. I sing a short extract from Warren Zevon's
"Lawyers Guns and Money" to myself substituting the words Money, Keys
and Buspass. Sometimes I don't need to sing and it's enough for me to
hum Daa-da dada, dum dum dada, Daa-da dada, dum dum daa.

Post by Joe Kerr
I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when you
might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps get you
somewhere.)

You can't have the emergency services AND Google maps. You have to
choose Just One Thing.

Nick

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 08:44:47 UTC

[]

Post by Nick Odell
I don't have that problem because I don't take a phone with me but to
make sure I take the essentials, I have a little ritual I perform
before I leave the house. I sing a short extract from Warren Zevon's
"Lawyers Guns and Money" to myself substituting the words Money, Keys
and Buspass. Sometimes I don't need to sing and it's enough for me to

My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Post by Nick Odell
hum Daa-da dada, dum dum dada, Daa-da dada, dum dum daa.
http://youtu.be/eYtq1zoF5Lg

Ah, someone else who knows about the "?t=" parameter!

Post by Joe Kerr
I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when you
might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps get you
somewhere.)

You can't have the emergency services AND Google maps. You have to
choose Just One Thing.
Nick

(-:

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

tried calling the tinnitus helpline - no answer, just kept ringing

Chris J Dixon

2024-06-10 10:42:07 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?

Chris

--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

Kate B

2024-06-10 10:54:34 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?

Clean knickers in case you get knocked over and need an ambulance.

--
Kate B

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 11:01:21 UTC

Post by Kate B

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?

I never thought much of hankies; they could only be used once or twice
for their nominal purpose.

Post by Kate B
Clean knickers in case you get knocked over and need an ambulance.

Furtively changing them while lying injured in the street?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The party arrangement, which obliges perfectly sensible people to pretend the
world is simple, turns representatives into drones.
Jeremy Paxman, RT 2019/8/31-9/6

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-10 20:25:09 UTC

Post by Kate B

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?

Clean knickers in case you get knocked over and need an ambulance.

I think Girls Guides (or was it the Brownies?) were supposed to always
have a clean hankie - and know how to use it as a tourniquet or a sling
or a...

If they were given advice on underwear, Wofe has not mentioned it.

--
Sam Plusnet

Joe Kerr

2024-06-14 15:58:56 UTC

Post by Kate B

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?

Clean knickers in case you get knocked over and need an ambulance.

If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

--
Ric

Jenny M Benson

2024-06-15 09:39:32 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

v***@gmail.com

2024-06-15 10:35:01 UTC

On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:39:32 +0100, Jenny M Benson

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I passed my driving test (in Sheffield where I was a student.Very
hilly.Hill starts) and managed to buy a lovely Morris 1000 from a
fellow student for £100. Capt Ex was home on leave and visiting and we
went for a drive and I hit a bus. It was a crossroads and I thought
I'd got right of way. Ambulance as I had a gash in my head. Capt Ex
was ok. Police came to hospital to see me before the Dr did. It was
day time and I had not been drinking. Car was a write-off. I got £2.5
for it and it cost £2.25 to tow it away.

I hit another bus years later! Had daughters 12 and 10 in the car,
sister-in-law and her children too, driving from Camden towards Euston
Station, stop/start traffic and I was, I think, in an automatic, bad
knee, using wrong food. Accelerated instead of braked. Hit a bus
containing Drs and nurses on a visit from another country. They piled
out to tend to us. Phoned Capt ex who came to get car. I think we
might have got an ambulance to be checked but I forget.Car not worth
fixing. I think insurance job as we got a very nice new car.

v***@gmail.com

2024-06-15 10:43:06 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:39:32 +0100, Jenny M Benson

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I passed my driving test (in Sheffield where I was a student.Very
hilly.Hill starts) and managed to buy a lovely Morris 1000 from a
fellow student for £100. Capt Ex was home on leave and visiting and we
went for a drive and I hit a bus. It was a crossroads and I thought
I'd got right of way. Ambulance as I had a gash in my head. Capt Ex
was ok. Police came to hospital to see me before the Dr did. It was
day time and I had not been drinking. Car was a write-off. I got £2.5
for it and it cost £2.25 to tow it away.
I hit another bus years later! Had daughters 12 and 10 in the car,
sister-in-law and her children too, driving from Camden towards Euston
Station, stop/start traffic and I was, I think, in an automatic, bad
knee, using wrong food. Accelerated instead of braked. Hit a bus
containing Drs and nurses on a visit from another country. They piled
out to tend to us. Phoned Capt ex who came to get car. I think we
might have got an ambulance to be checked but I forget.Car not worth
fixing. I think insurance job as we got a very nice new car.

Using wrong foot not food.

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-15 12:38:37 UTC

[]

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by v***@gmail.com
Station, stop/start traffic and I was, I think, in an automatic, bad
knee, using wrong food. Accelerated instead of braked. Hit a bus

[]

Post by v***@gmail.com
Using wrong foot not food.

Though I can imagine using wrong food can have adverse effects too.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Some people don't seem to be happy without a reason to be unhappy -
Roderick Stewart <***@escapetime.myzen.co.uk>, in uk.tech.broadcast 2017-8-10

Nick Odell

2024-06-15 16:53:28 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:39:32 +0100, Jenny M Benson

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I passed my driving test (in Sheffield where I was a student.Very
hilly.Hill starts) and managed to buy a lovely Morris 1000 from a
fellow student for £100. Capt Ex was home on leave and visiting and we
went for a drive and I hit a bus. It was a crossroads and I thought
I'd got right of way. Ambulance as I had a gash in my head. Capt Ex
was ok. Police came to hospital to see me before the Dr did. It was
day time and I had not been drinking. Car was a write-off. I got £2.5
for it and it cost £2.25 to tow it away.
I hit another bus years later! Had daughters 12 and 10 in the car,
sister-in-law and her children too, driving from Camden towards Euston
Station, stop/start traffic and I was, I think, in an automatic, bad
knee, using wrong food. Accelerated instead of braked. Hit a bus
containing Drs and nurses on a visit from another country. They piled
out to tend to us. Phoned Capt ex who came to get car. I think we
might have got an ambulance to be checked but I forget.Car not worth
fixing. I think insurance job as we got a very nice new car.

Using wrong foot not food.

When I first started driving an automatic I caused a couple of
unintended emergency stops by pushing down firmly where the clutch
pedal used to be before realising that I didn't have to change gear.
For similar reasons, when later I drove a manual car again, I stalled
it more than a few times.

Nick

Joe Kerr

2024-06-17 21:10:08 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
When I first started driving an automatic I caused a couple of
unintended emergency stops by pushing down firmly where the clutch
pedal used to be before realising that I didn't have to change gear.
For similar reasons, when later I drove a manual car again, I stalled
it more than a few times.
Nick

You should have tried a Citroen c-matic: A manual gearbox without a
clutch. Passengers were not amused. Luckily none of them were drinking
while I drove.

--
Ric

john ashby

2024-06-15 13:37:22 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com
I hit another bus years later! Had daughters 12 and 10 in the car,
sister-in-law and her children too, driving from Camden towards Euston
Station, stop/start traffic and I was, I think, in an automatic, bad
knee, using wrong food. Accelerated instead of braked. Hit a bus
containing Drs and nurses on a visit from another country.

I had a similar accident when I jerked across a road and T-boned a young
lady's prize car (or so she said, but she also claimed whiplash from a
collision at about 5mph (she was in a slow moving line of traffic) so
may not have been totally reliable). The problem was that I was
test-driving the car which I then had to buy (fortunately it was barely
injured).

john

Kosmo

2024-06-15 14:33:11 UTC

I cannot endorse driving using food. Think of the mess that tomatoes
might leave.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-15 18:41:06 UTC

I cannot endorse driving using food. Think of the mess that tomatoes
might leave.

It's not a problem. Piece of cake really.

--
Sam Plusnet

Joe Kerr

2024-06-17 21:04:50 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:39:32 +0100, Jenny M Benson

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I passed my driving test (in Sheffield where I was a student.Very
hilly.Hill starts) and managed to buy a lovely Morris 1000 from a
fellow student for £100. Capt Ex was home on leave and visiting and we
went for a drive and I hit a bus. It was a crossroads and I thought
I'd got right of way. Ambulance as I had a gash in my head. Capt Ex
was ok. Police came to hospital to see me before the Dr did. It was
day time and I had not been drinking. Car was a write-off. I got £2.5
for it and it cost £2.25 to tow it away.
I hit another bus years later! Had daughters 12 and 10 in the car,
sister-in-law and her children too, driving from Camden towards Euston
Station, stop/start traffic and I was, I think, in an automatic, bad
knee, using wrong food. Accelerated instead of braked. Hit a bus
containing Drs and nurses on a visit from another country. They piled
out to tend to us. Phoned Capt ex who came to get car. I think we
might have got an ambulance to be checked but I forget.Car not worth
fixing. I think insurance job as we got a very nice new car.

I like to be different. I was on a bus hit by a car. I was heading to
junior school on one of those new-fangled buses with an entrance at the
front and an exit in the middle. It was just slowing down for the stop
when a Mini shot out of a driveway and hit it square in the exit doors.
The Mini's bonnet flew open and my memory says the wings fell off, but
that feels a bit extreme, even for a Mini of that vintage. I got thrown
backwards up the stairs. It was all quite comical really.

--
Ric

BrritSki

2024-06-18 11:40:36 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:39:32 +0100, Jenny M Benson

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before t

I like to be different...

Me too. I was on a bike that hit two buses. Riding home from school I
went between the 2 public transport vehicles to get to the front at the
traffic lights.
Unfortunately the buses weren't parallel to each other and I didn't
notice until it was too late and I had to take my hands off the drop
handlebars and brakes or I would have wedged them in between as well as
the bike.
Fortunately when the lights changed the buses diverged again and I was
able to regain control and continue home. :)

john ashby

2024-06-15 11:35:45 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure
that the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I was knocked off my bike by a bus once (sideways) at a most
inconvenient time. Then wife was away for the weekend, the children were
at Saturday morning music school and due to be collected imminently and
to bring back friends to play. I managed to get up, cycle to the school,
walk home with a large gaggle of children, make them lunch and then
collapse quivering and telling them to "just go and play quietly". It's
amazing what adrenalin can achieve.

john

Nick Odell

2024-06-15 17:01:39 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure
that the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I wasn't exactly knocked off my motorbike by an articulated lorry: it
was more that, when I turned the corner, if I hadn't driven my bike
straight into the roadside ditch I would have hit the front of the
oncoming lorry - which had no business driving down such a narrow
country lane.

So I picked myself up, surveyed my ripped and muddied clothes,
straightened up as much of my motorbike as I could and continued on my
way to sit my A-Level maths exam. I'm afraid there wasn't quite enough
adrenalin in my system to carry me through and get some decent marks.

Nick

Ben Blaney

2024-06-15 18:57:43 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
I wasn't exactly knocked off my motorbike by an articulated lorry: it
was more that, when I turned the corner, if I hadn't driven my bike
straight into the roadside ditch I would have hit the front of the
oncoming lorry - which had no business driving down such a narrow
country lane.

As a former HGV driver (and current motorcyclist), I'll say that you'll be
surprised at how few country lanes have HGV restrictions. Mostly related to
low-bridges.

It's unfortunate for you, in this case, but there's almost certainly no reason
he shouldn't have been on a narrow country lane. Farms are often on narrow
country lanes, for example, and they need supplies delivered, and produce
collected.

Nick Odell

2024-06-16 20:07:17 UTC

On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:57:43 -0000 (UTC), Ben Blaney

Post by Ben Blaney

As a former HGV driver (and current motorcyclist), I'll say that you'll be
surprised at how few country lanes have HGV restrictions. Mostly related to
low-bridges.
It's unfortunate for you, in this case, but there's almost certainly no reason
he shouldn't have been on a narrow country lane. Farms are often on narrow
country lanes, for example, and they need supplies delivered, and produce
collected.

Of course you are absolutely right and all your examples are good ones
but that's not how I thought about it at the time. I should have
anticipated that around the next corner and obscured by the high
hedges there might be an articulated lorry whose width exceeded the
metalled surface of the lane and driven at a commensurate speed.

But I didn't.

Nick

Joe Kerr

2024-06-17 21:32:40 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure
that the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I wasn't exactly knocked off my motorbike by an articulated lorry: it
was more that, when I turned the corner, if I hadn't driven my bike
straight into the roadside ditch I would have hit the front of the
oncoming lorry - which had no business driving down such a narrow
country lane.
So I picked myself up, surveyed my ripped and muddied clothes,
straightened up as much of my motorbike as I could and continued on my
way to sit my A-Level maths exam. I'm afraid there wasn't quite enough
adrenalin in my system to carry me through and get some decent marks.
Nick

I once saw an HGV do a U-turn in a country lane. No, I don't know how he
managed it.

--
Ric

Nick Odell

2024-06-15 16:45:53 UTC

On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 10:39:32 +0100, Jenny M Benson

Post by Joe Kerr
If I've been run over by a bus (as I was always told) I'm not sure that
the state of my underwear before the event is terribly relevant.

I was nearly run over by a bus once. The wheel made a dirty mark on my
school uniform gaberdine mac.

I don't think that's the sort of dirty mark your mother had in mind
when she dressed you in clean knickers every schoolday.

Nick

v***@gmail.com

2024-06-10 11:08:48 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?
Chris

I did actually set out with daughters aged 4 and 6 on the Saturday
after schools broke up to drive to Heathrow to fly to join Capt Ex on
a tanker anchored off Setubul, near Lisbon. I can't recall if my mum
was going to drive the car back, or what car we had. It was pouring
and we were looking forward to Portuguese sunshine. We'd already spent
5 weeks during term time earlier as the ship was being sold and buyers
were viewing it.

Sadly in my rush to pack etc I forgot the passport(s). I think they
might both have been on my one then. Part way I realised it and it was
in a long slow traffic jam from East Barnet to Heathrow. I stopped and
rang a friend who had a key and they got the passport(s) and got a
taxi to bring it to Heathrow. It arrived just as they were calling
last call to passengers on TAP### to Lisbon .(TAP stood for take
another plane)

We caught the flight and then in Lisbon no nice Capt Ex met us. I
think an agent did. There was a boat ride from Lisbon to the ship and
then a long climb up to the deck from the launch. I staggered on board
and the girls found their cabin happily. Chinese crew had put ice
cream in the little fridge there.

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-10 21:30:32 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
My mum used to say passport, tickets, money - obviously different
circumstances.

Dinner money and a clean hanky?

The hanky to mop up the blood after the bully has thumped you for the
dinner money?

Rosie

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-10 17:37:04 UTC

I have reached the stage where I keep my keys on a lanyard round my
neck. I've become a latchkey adult.

Rosie

Mike Headon

2024-06-15 14:06:43 UTC

I have reached the stage where I keep my keys on a lanyard round my
neck. I've become a latchkey adult.
Rosie

My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to the
dash DO NOT LEAVE KEYS IN CAR!

--
Mike Headon
R69S R850R
IIIc IIIg FT FTn FT2 EOS450D
e-mail: mike dot headon at enn tee ell world dot com

Kosmo

2024-06-15 14:34:50 UTC

Post by Mike Headon
My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to the
dash DO NOT LEAVE KEYS IN CAR!

My newer car cannot lock when the keys are in the car. My wife had left
hers set in the car and I could not work out why it would not lock!

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-15 15:00:01 UTC

In message <***@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 15 Jun 2024
15:06:43, Mike Headon <***@YCKMHWA.com> writes
[]

Post by Mike Headon
My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to
the dash DO NOT LEAVE KEYS IN CAR!

Maybe better on the (inside) door handle (or something similar)? If on
the dash, you'll get used to it being there, and after a while not see
it.

An alternative would be to carry a spare key. (With cell removed: it
should still work [check!] in the old-fashioned way, i. e. actually
putting it in the keyhole and turning; I suggest doing this so that if
anyone else gets hold of it, they can't just go round the car park
pressing it and seeing what bleeps.)

Have you asked a main dealer if they know about the locking behaviour?
Or a users forum of some sort?

Mine has developed the habit - only occasionally - of opening the
windows, which is obviously a security risk. If anyone knows (Škoda
Octavia) the solution, please share!

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The average age at which a woman has her first child has passed 30.
Jason Cowley, RT 2016/6/11-17

john ashby

2024-06-16 06:30:30 UTC

Post by Mike Headon
My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to
the dash DO NOT LEAVE KEYS IN CAR!

Maybe better on the (inside) door handle (or something similar)? If on
the dash, you'll get used to it being there, and after a while not see it.
An alternative would be to carry a spare key. (With cell removed: it
should still work [check!] in the old-fashioned way, i. e. actually
putting it in the keyhole and turning; I suggest doing this so that if
anyone else gets hold of it, they can't just go round the car park
pressing it and seeing what bleeps.)
Have you asked a main dealer if they know about the locking behaviour?
Or a users forum of some sort?
Mine has developed the habit - only occasionally - of opening the
windows, which is obviously a security risk. If anyone knows (Škoda
Octavia) the solution, please share!

If you have a remote key it is possible that a long press on the unlock
button will open the windows (and the lock button close them). Then all
you need do is sit on the remote while within range---

john

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-16 08:17:19 UTC

[]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
Mine has developed the habit - only occasionally - of opening the
windows, which is obviously a security risk. If anyone knows (Škoda
Octavia) the solution, please share!

I've just experimented, and that does indeed happen! And a long press on
the lock button closes them again.

Is this common, or particular to Škodas? Either way, what is the
purpose?!?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.

Chris J Dixon

2024-06-16 13:01:19 UTC

Post by john ashby
If you have a remote key it is possible that a long press on the unlock
button will open the windows (and the lock button close them). Then all
you need do is sit on the remote while within range---

I've just experimented, and that does indeed happen! And a long press on
the lock button closes them again.
Is this common, or particular to kodas? Either way, what is the
purpose?!?

On a warm day you can air the car before you drive away. If you
accidentally leave a window open when leaving the car, you can
close it from outside.

Chris

--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-16 17:09:22 UTC

I've just experimented, and that does indeed happen! And a long press on
the lock button closes them again.
Is this common, or particular to Škodas? Either way, what is the
purpose?!?

On a warm day you can air the car before you drive away. If you

I suppose on a really hot day you could open them as you approach. (Once
I'm in, I can open them anyway, as the controls are all duplicated in
the driver's door.)

Post by Chris J Dixon
accidentally leave a window open when leaving the car, you can
close it from outside.

That is indeed a good feature.

Post by Chris J Dixon
Chris

Though I still have the feeling it is _occasionally_ opening them all by
itself. But now I know about that feature, I'll be more careful with the
fob, and see.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

age. fac ut gaudeam.

Jenny M Benson

2024-06-17 13:53:12 UTC

Post by Chris J Dixon
On a warm day you can air the car before you drive away. If you
accidentally leave a window open when leaving the car, you can
close it from outside.

Very recently I was listening to a Bill Bryson audiobook which included
some horrifying statistic of the number of children who die every year
in the USA because they were confined in hot cars.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

Mike Headon

2024-06-16 09:37:36 UTC

Post by Mike Headon
My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to
the dash DO NOT LEAVE KEYS IN CAR!

Maybe better on the (inside) door handle (or something similar)? If on
the dash, you'll get used to it being there, and after a while not see it.
An alternative would be to carry a spare key. (With cell removed: it
should still work [check!] in the old-fashioned way, i. e. actually
putting it in the keyhole and turning; I suggest doing this so that if
anyone else gets hold of it, they can't just go round the car park
pressing it and seeing what bleeps.)
Have you asked a main dealer if they know about the locking behaviour?
Or a users forum of some sort?

It looks like a problem with the driver's door latch. Any main dealer
intervention will cost more than the car's value!

Post by J. P. Gilliver
Mine has developed the habit - only occasionally - of opening the
windows, which is obviously a security risk. If anyone knows (Škoda
Octavia) the solution, please share!

--
Mike Headon
R69S R850R
IIIc IIIg FT FTn FT2 EOS450D
e-mail: mike dot headon at enn tee ell world dot com

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-16 17:19:14 UTC

Post by Mike Headon
My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to

[]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
Have you asked a main dealer if they know about the locking
behaviour? Or a users forum of some sort?

It looks like a problem with the driver's door latch. Any main dealer
intervention will cost more than the car's value!

[]
If you can identify the part number of the latch mechanism, you may be
able to find one on eBay and change it yourself; I had a problem with
the behind-driver latch, and Charing Motors told me a new one would be
about 300, and he himself suggested I look for a reclaimed one, which I
did - came to 20 or 30 odd, IIRR. (I had to buy a bit more than I needed
- the complete latch and window motor, as it only seemed available even
from reclaimers as a whole package. So I have a spare window motor.) It
wasn't difficult to replace - the main difficulty being getting the
"door card" (liner) and handle off to get at it, and back on.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

age. fac ut gaudeam.

Mike Headon

2024-06-16 20:42:37 UTC

[]

Post by Mike Headon
My car has just taken to locking itself. So I have a notice stuck to

[]

Have you asked a main dealer if they know about the locking
behaviour? Or a users forum of some sort?

It looks like a problem with the driver's door latch. Any main dealer
intervention will cost more than the car's value!

Thanks. Although I have a long and dishonourable history of bodging cars
and bikes, I regret that increasing age and stupidity make me less
ambitious than once was the case.

--
Mike Headon
R69S R850R
IIIc IIIg FT FTn FT2 EOS450D
e-mail: mike dot headon at enn tee ell world dot com

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 08:42:07 UTC

In message <v45pbs$3qo5$***@dont-email.me> at Mon, 10 Jun 2024 03:45:14,
Joe Kerr <***@cheerful.com> writes
[]

Post by Joe Kerr
Sometimes people put their phone on charge then put their shoes on,
spruce themselves up and dash out the door. They then feel really silly
when they realise they have left the shopping list on their phone
charging at home.

I do my shopping list on a piece of paper or card! Even if I had a
smartphone, I'm pretty sure I'd continue to do so - easier to cross
things off, surely?

Post by Joe Kerr
I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when you
might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps get you
somewhere.)

The latter - as with so many things - assumes you have a continuously-on
data contract. A very common assumption. [Yes, I know you can _preload_
a Google map when you're on wifi, but that assumes you pre-know you're
going to need it.]

Jim Easterbrook

2024-06-10 09:03:14 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
The latter - as with so many things - assumes you have a continuously-on
data contract. A very common assumption. [Yes, I know you can _preload_
a Google map when you're on wifi, but that assumes you pre-know you're
going to need it.]

I strongly recommend the "Organic Maps" Android app (might also be
available on iOS, I wouldn't know). It downloads maps in advance by
default, and as it uses OpenStreetMap data the maps are generally much
better for footpaths etc. than Google maps.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 10:27:33 UTC

I'll try to remember the name, but when you say it downloads "in advance
by default", when and where - doesn't that still require a mobile data
connection? And how does it know which maps (i. e. where you're going)?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I have never liked children, even when I was one.
- Miriam Margolyes (RT 2014/11/1-7)

Jim Easterbrook

2024-06-10 11:48:36 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
The latter - as with so many things - assumes you have a
continuously-on data contract. A very common assumption. [Yes, I know
you can _preload_ a Google map when you're on wifi, but that assumes
you pre-know you're going to need it.]

It has settings for "mobile internet": always ask, use always, never use.

I download when I have a wifi conection. I load maps in advance by doing a
search for where I'm going, e.g. "Hamburg", and choose the city in Germany
from the list of places with "hamburg" in their name. It then shows a
large scale map of the area. When you zoom in it asks if you want to
download the detail map (37 MB in the case of Hamburg). You can also drag
around the large scale map to wherever you want to go before zooming in
and downloading the fine scale map if needed.

The detail maps can cover quite a large area. There are 18 UK maps, 10 of
Belgium, 48 of Germany, 94 of France. I don't know who decides what area
each map covers.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 18:21:14 UTC

[]

Post by Jim Easterbrook
I strongly recommend the "Organic Maps" Android app (might also be
available on iOS, I wouldn't know). It downloads maps in advance by
default, and as it uses OpenStreetMap data the maps are generally much
better for footpaths etc. than Google maps.

It has settings for "mobile internet": always ask, use always, never use.
I download when I have a wifi conection. I load maps in advance by doing a
search for where I'm going, e.g. "Hamburg", and choose the city in Germany
from the list of places with "hamburg" in their name. It then shows a
large scale map of the area. When you zoom in it asks if you want to
download the detail map (37 MB in the case of Hamburg). You can also drag
around the large scale map to wherever you want to go before zooming in
and downloading the fine scale map if needed.

Sounds very good! Of course you still need to have some idea where you
might be going in the near future, but I guess if the areas are big
enough, you can hope you're within a wifi range again before you need
another one.

Post by Jim Easterbrook
The detail maps can cover quite a large area. There are 18 UK maps, 10 of
Belgium, 48 of Germany, 94 of France. I don't know who decides what area
each map covers.

Probably varies with feature density - i. e. if there are large
towns/cities with lots of little streets, it probably makes for a
smaller area. (And I presume there's overlap between areas too.)

37 MB (for the Hamburg one) times 48 areas for Germany comes to 1776 MB
- less than 2G - for the whole of Germany (less if there _are_
overlaps), so presumably you could load that in today's memory cards no
problem. (When I last had a standalone SatNav [an XGODY], I think all of
Europe - including UK/RoI - fitted within the 8G it came with; in fact
it included more than that: to use it as an MP3 player, which to be
honest is what it spent most of its time being, I had to remove some of
Russia and/or Australia.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

To keep leaf vegetables clean and crisp, cook lightly, then plunge into iced
water (the vegetables, that is). - manual for a Russell Hobbs electric steamer

Nick Odell

2024-06-13 05:25:20 UTC

On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 19:21:14 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

It has settings for "mobile internet": always ask, use always, never use.
I download when I have a wifi conection. I load maps in advance by doing a
search for where I'm going, e.g. "Hamburg", and choose the city in Germany
from the list of places with "hamburg" in their name. It then shows a
large scale map of the area. When you zoom in it asks if you want to
download the detail map (37 MB in the case of Hamburg). You can also drag
around the large scale map to wherever you want to go before zooming in
and downloading the fine scale map if needed.

Post by Jim Easterbrook
The detail maps can cover quite a large area. There are 18 UK maps, 10 of
Belgium, 48 of Germany, 94 of France. I don't know who decides what area
each map covers.

Probably varies with feature density - i. e. if there are large
towns/cities with lots of little streets, it probably makes for a
smaller area. (And I presume there's overlap between areas too.)
37 MB (for the Hamburg one) times 48 areas for Germany comes to 1776 MB
- less than 2G - for the whole of Germany (less if there _are_
overlaps), so presumably you could load that in today's memory cards no
problem. (When I last had a standalone SatNav [an XGODY], I think all of
Europe - including UK/RoI - fitted within the 8G it came with; in fact
it included more than that: to use it as an MP3 player, which to be
honest is what it spent most of its time being, I had to remove some of
Russia and/or Australia.)

I've downloaded a .pdf street map of Buenos Aires city into my thing
that isn't really a phone and it takes up about 3.5MB. You can stretch
it and stretch it until the individual streets can be seen in detail
and I find it jolly useful at times. Not as useful as the late
lamented "Guia-T." A printed street atlas of the city, it was divided
up into a grid on each page. Nothing unusual about that except that
Guia-T had a corresponding but smaller grid on each page which listed
the numbers of every bus that passed through each square. If you
didn't want to refer to the bus lines and routes in the appendix at
the back of the book, you could busk your way across the city map to
where you wanted to go and find out where to hop off one bus and onto
another.

Nick

Chris

2024-06-14 20:49:34 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 19:21:14 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

It has settings for "mobile internet": always ask, use always, never use.
I download when I have a wifi conection. I load maps in advance by doing a
search for where I'm going, e.g. "Hamburg", and choose the city in Germany
from the list of places with "hamburg" in their name. It then shows a
large scale map of the area. When you zoom in it asks if you want to
download the detail map (37 MB in the case of Hamburg). You can also drag
around the large scale map to wherever you want to go before zooming in
and downloading the fine scale map if needed.

Post by Jim Easterbrook
The detail maps can cover quite a large area. There are 18 UK maps, 10 of
Belgium, 48 of Germany, 94 of France. I don't know who decides what area
each map covers.

Probably varies with feature density - i. e. if there are large
towns/cities with lots of little streets, it probably makes for a
smaller area. (And I presume there's overlap between areas too.)
37 MB (for the Hamburg one) times 48 areas for Germany comes to 1776 MB
- less than 2G - for the whole of Germany (less if there _are_
overlaps), so presumably you could load that in today's memory cards no
problem. (When I last had a standalone SatNav [an XGODY], I think all of
Europe - including UK/RoI - fitted within the 8G it came with; in fact
it included more than that: to use it as an MP3 player, which to be
honest is what it spent most of its time being, I had to remove some of
Russia and/or Australia.)

Wow!

Mrs McT

Joe Kerr

2024-06-14 15:53:41 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr
Sometimes people put their phone on charge then put their shoes on,
spruce themselves up and dash out the door. They then feel really
silly when they realise they have left the shopping list on their
phone charging at home.

I do my shopping list on a piece of paper or card! Even if I had a
smartphone, I'm pretty sure I'd continue to do so - easier to cross
things off, surely?

Not really. It just takes a tap to delete something from a supermarket's
app, or if you use a list in a notes app a tap will mark it off and it
will still be there to be added back with another tap the next week *if
required).

Post by Joe Kerr
I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when
you might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps
get you somewhere.)

You can get PAYG data but I think it is expensive and can expire so is
not a good idea.

--
Ric

Chris

2024-06-10 20:30:47 UTC

Sometimes people put their phone on charge then put their shoes on,
spruce themselves up and dash out the door. They then feel really silly
when they realise they have left the shopping list on their phone
charging at home.
I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when you
might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps get you
somewhere.)

Or as one of my friends did. Had to leave it to charge all day so hoped
husbad wouldn’t decide to ring her up. Fortunately he didn’t. I forgot to
top mine up so had to use my digital camera all day - which in some
circumstances is a better bet in my view that my iPhone.

Mrs McT

Nick Odell

2024-06-13 05:27:06 UTC

On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 20:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Chris

Post by Chris

Sometimes people put their phone on charge then put their shoes on,
spruce themselves up and dash out the door. They then feel really silly
when they realise they have left the shopping list on their phone
charging at home.
I wouldn't (normally) be without mine in reach. You never know when you
might need to call the emergency services. (Or have Google maps get you
somewhere.)

Or as one of my friends did. Had to leave it to charge all day so hoped
husbad wouldnt decide to ring her up. Fortunately he didnt. I forgot to
top mine up so had to use my digital camera all day - which in some
circumstances is a better bet in my view that my iPhone.

IMO an iPhone will take great pictures for you but you can take
pictures for yourself with a camera.

Nick

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-13 06:57:06 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 20:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Chris

[]

Post by Chris
Or as one of my friends did. Had to leave it to charge all day so hoped
husbad wouldn’t decide to ring her up. Fortunately he didn’t. I forgot to
top mine up so had to use my digital camera all day - which in some
circumstances is a better bet in my view that my iPhone.

IMO an iPhone will take great pictures for you but you can take
pictures for yourself with a camera.
Nick

Nicely put!

Actually, most modern camera-onlys now have a lot of the features the
"'phones" do, such as face recognition and so on. (Mine doesn't, but is
pretty old - it has a 1G card in it, which was on the large size when I
put it in. But then I usually use it at less than its maximum resolution
anyway - which is small by modern standards anyway; IIRR, I usually use
1024 by 768 (not a "widescreen" format!), or it might be the next one up
15xx by 1xxx.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm not against women. Not often enough, anyway." - Groucho Marx

john ashby

2024-06-13 07:23:08 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 20:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Chris

[]

Or as one of my friends did. Had to leave it to charge all day so hoped
husbad wouldn’t decide to ring her up. Fortunately he didn’t. I
forgot to
top mine up so had to use my digital camera all day - which in some
circumstances is a better bet in my view that my iPhone.

IMO an iPhone will take great pictures for you but you can take
pictures for yourself with a camera.
Nick

Nicely put!
Actually, most modern camera-onlys now have a lot of the features the
"'phones" do, such as face recognition and so on. (Mine doesn't, but is
pretty old - it has a 1G card in it, which was on the large size when I
put it in. But then I usually use it at less than its maximum resolution
anyway - which is small by modern standards anyway; IIRR, I usually use
1024 by 768 (not a "widescreen" format!), or it might be the next one up
15xx by 1xxx.)

My camera has an enormous number of features my phone doesn't. On a
quick check of my phone (which admittedly is not particulary high-end) I
can't find a way to control shutter speed, aperture, iso, white balance,
focus point, exposure determination or compensation. I can't even find a
way to take black and white photos.

Perhaps I need to sign up for the course my old photograpphy tutor
offers on using a mobile.

john

Kosmo

2024-06-13 10:12:39 UTC

I can't even find a way to take black and white photos.

I am a little surprised at that. My phone does do some of the other
things to which you refer but it is all hidden in menus whilst my camera
has dials and buttons which enable changes to be made to achieve revised
settings.

However the phone seems better able to guess low light settings than me
using the camera.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-13 15:49:05 UTC

I can't even find a way to take black and white photos.

Quite.
The camera in my (i)phone seems to have a great number of bells &
whistles, but they are hidden away... somewhere.

I occasionally come across an article or video which tells me about some
feature I knew nothing about, and which I would never have discovered if
left to my own devices.

If there _is_ a manual[1] I haven't found it.
That said, most user manuals are chock full of useless stuff, yet seem
incapable of telling you the one vital thing that _you_ want to know.

Quite by chance, I dug out an 'old' travel camera that I haven't used in
a few years (Panasonic TZ70) and found I had not a single clue what all
the icons on the display screen meant. That camera _does_ have a
manual, but I CBA to plough through it.

[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

--
Sam Plusnet

Kosmo

2024-06-13 22:42:35 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself - somewhere
there is a you tube video explaining it.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-13 23:14:17 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual is
bigger than the device?)

A series of links to some on-line data source with a useful index would
be fine.
- somewhere

Post by Kosmo
there is a you tube video explaining it.

When you have to rely on Utubers to tell you how to use your (e.g.)
Apple phone, the company really is falling down on the job.

--
Sam Plusnet

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-14 05:14:37 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

Somebody must have told the Chinese that one, as they print the manuals
to lots of devices on smaller and smaller pieces of paper.

Post by Sam Plusnet
A series of links to some on-line data source with a useful index would
be fine.
- somewhere

Post by Kosmo
there is a you tube video explaining it.

When you have to rely on Utubers to tell you how to use your (e.g.)
Apple phone, the company really is falling down on the job.

To be fair, the manufacturers can't win: I remember (and presumably
still have somewhere) the manuals for DOS and Windows 3.1 - quite
substantial things; the general feeling is that these mostly went
largely unopened, or at least most was largely unread. But, yes, it's
gone too far the other way, with even a basic manual often online only
(often invoking "environment").

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.
- Penny Mayes, UMRA, 2014-August

Joe Kerr

2024-06-14 16:44:21 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

Somebody must have told the Chinese that one, as they print the manuals
to lots of devices on smaller and smaller pieces of paper.

Post by Sam Plusnet
A series of links to some on-line data source with a useful index
would be fine.
- somewhere

there is a you tube video explaining it.

When you have to rely on Utubers to tell you how to use your (e.g.)
Apple phone, the company really is falling down on the job.

I'm sure that these days, by the time the manual has been printed it
would be out of date.

--
Ric

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-14 19:20:37 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a
smarter than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

Somebody must have told the Chinese that one, as they print the
manuals to lots of devices on smaller and smaller pieces of paper.

Post by Sam Plusnet
A series of links to some on-line data source with a useful index
would be fine.
- somewhere

there is a you tube video explaining it.

When you have to rely on Utubers to tell you how to use your (e.g.)
Apple phone, the company really is falling down on the job.

I'm sure that these days, by the time the manual has been printed it
would be out of date.

Wofe has _finally_ been persuaded to have a 'smart' phone - since it is
now impossible to do some things via any other method other than an 'App'.

It's a Doro 8200[1]. She has asked for a print copy of the user manual
and they have agreed to supply it (without charge) - but said it might
take a few weeks to arrive.

[1] Doro make phones for the confused elderly, so SWMBO has embraced the
brand.

--
Sam Plusnet

v***@gmail.com

2024-06-14 20:37:30 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] Doro make phones for the confused elderly, so SWMBO has embraced the
brand.

I should get one.

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-15 00:04:37 UTC

Post by v***@gmail.com

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] Doro make phones for the confused elderly, so SWMBO has embraced the
brand.

I should get one.

It seems like a decent phone.
The problem is that it operates on a (Doro) modified variant of Android
and I haven't had an android phone for some time.
Hence when she demands that I make it do what she wants it to do, I do
not have all the answers.

--
Sam Plusnet

Chris

2024-06-14 20:58:23 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a
smarter than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

Somebody must have told the Chinese that one, as they print the
manuals to lots of devices on smaller and smaller pieces of paper.

Post by Sam Plusnet
A series of links to some on-line data source with a useful index
would be fine.
- somewhere

there is a you tube video explaining it.

When you have to rely on Utubers to tell you how to use your (e.g.)
Apple phone, the company really is falling down on the job.

I'm sure that these days, by the time the manual has been printed it
would be out of date.

Wofe has _finally_ been persuaded to have a 'smart' phone - since it is
now impossible to do some things via any other method other than an 'App'.
It's a Doro 8200[1]. She has asked for a print copy of the user manual
and they have agreed to supply it (without charge) - but said it might
take a few weeks to arrive.
[1] Doro make phones for the confused elderly, so SWMBO has embraced the
brand.

Does that mean when I swapped my Doro for a smart phone I became
unconfused?

Mrs McT

nick

2024-06-14 22:30:44 UTC

Post by Chris

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a
smarter than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

Somebody must have told the Chinese that one, as they print the
manuals to lots of devices on smaller and smaller pieces of paper.

Post by Sam Plusnet
A series of links to some on-line data source with a useful index
would be fine.
- somewhere

there is a you tube video explaining it.

When you have to rely on Utubers to tell you how to use your (e.g.)
Apple phone, the company really is falling down on the job.

I'm sure that these days, by the time the manual has been printed it
would be out of date.

Wofe has _finally_ been persuaded to have a 'smart' phone - since it is
now impossible to do some things via any other method other than an 'App'.
It's a Doro 8200[1]. She has asked for a print copy of the user manual
and they have agreed to supply it (without charge) - but said it might
take a few weeks to arrive.
[1] Doro make phones for the confused elderly, so SWMBO has embraced the
brand.

Does that mean when I swapped my Doro for a smart phone I became
unconfused?
Mrs McT

Gosh! Is this the medical breakthrough of the century?

Nick

Serena Blanchflower

2024-06-14 07:36:23 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual is
bigger than the device?)

Terry Pratchett

--
Best wishes, Serena
One of the universal rules of happiness is: always be wary of any
helpful item that weighs less than its operating manual.
(Terry Pratchett)

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-14 19:22:45 UTC

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sam Plusnet
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

Terry Pratchett

It sounded like a Pratchettism, but I wasn't sure.

--
Sam Plusnet

john ashby

2024-06-14 07:57:36 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual is
bigger than the device?)

I can remember when a SUN workstation would come with a 2 metre shelf
run of ring binders.

john

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-14 18:26:52 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

I can remember when a SUN workstation would come with a 2 metre shelf
run of ring binders.
john

Ah, ring binders. Reminds me of one of my favourite entries in any such:
we had some hp computers (9836 series) that ran hp BASIC, for which
there was extensive documentation, including definitions, including

recursion: see recursion

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Women who aspire to be equal to men, lack ambition - Marilyn Monroe

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-14 19:26:36 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User Manual
is bigger than the device?)

I can remember when a SUN workstation would come with a 2 metre shelf
run of ring binders.

I worked on sonar systems for surface ships. Our manuals took up around
twice that space (but it was a _very_ big system).

The equivalent systems for a submarine had its manuals on microfiche -
not enough room on board for a paper copy.

--
Sam Plusnet

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-14 23:02:44 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a
smarter than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User
Manual is bigger than the device?)

I can remember when a SUN workstation would come with a 2 metre shelf
run of ring binders.

I acquired something like that from the IBM System/360 induction programme. The
contents being utterly useless (did anybody ever use an IBM 2301
magnetic drum in anger? Or write useful code in PL1?) but the ring
binders were productively pressed into service for my OU degree.

Rosie

Joe Kerr

2024-06-17 20:48:12 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a
smarter than average phone would be larger than the phone itself

I don't expect there to be a print version.
(Who was it who said never trust any technology where the User
Manual is bigger than the device?)

I can remember when a SUN workstation would come with a 2 metre shelf
run of ring binders.

I've used PL/1 keyboards for not writing PL/1 code.

Anybody want a 1 meter stack of 30 year old assorted IBM manuals?

--
Ric

Serena Blanchflower

2024-06-18 11:39:49 UTC

Post by Rosie Mitchell
(did anybody ever use an IBM 2301
magnetic drum in anger? Or write useful code in PL1?)

This may depend on your definition of "useful" but I certainly wrote a
fair bit of PL/1, in my youth.

--
Best wishes, Serena
CHICKENS: The only animals you eat before they are born and after they
are dead.

john ashby

2024-06-14 07:53:20 UTC

Post by Sam Plusnet
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

I suspect that a manual that explained all the features of a smarter
than average phone would be larger than the phone itself - somewhere
there is a you tube video explaining it.

Based on this conversation I went looking for a manual for my phone and
found an online one. I have now located several of the features I
previously was unable to access (quite a few button presses down) sucah
as iso, shutter speed, (no aperture so no depth of field control) and
(crude) white balance but still no monochrome. My camera remains much
more flexible.

john

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-14 18:42:57 UTC

In message <v4gstg$2pq54$***@dont-email.me> at Fri, 14 Jun 2024 08:53:20,
john ashby <***@yahoo.com> writes
[]

Post by john ashby
Based on this conversation I went looking for a manual for my phone and
found an online one. I have now located several of the features I
previously was unable to access (quite a few button presses down) sucah
as iso, shutter speed, (no aperture so no depth of field control) and
(crude) white balance but still no monochrome. My camera remains much
more flexible.
john

Presumably ISO and (especially if only crude) white balance can be
achieved/simulated because the sensor has a wide dynamic range, somewhat
wider than was the case with film (other than with push processing).
Aperture and thus depth of field control requires a physical/mechanical
component, so more difficult to manage. (I suppose they could do it
using LCDs consisting of several concentric ring elements, but I'm not
aware of any doing that.) Shutter speed being close to the same as a
real one, though presumably might be able to do a shorter one.
Monochrome can always be done afterwards on the computer, though you
don't have the option to see the result immediately in the moan - but
isn't there an "app" for it? (-:

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Women who aspire to be equal to men, lack ambition - Marilyn Monroe

Joe Kerr

2024-06-14 16:31:57 UTC

I can't even find a way to take black and white photos.

I am a little surprised at that. My phone does do some of the other
things to which you refer but it is all hidden in menus whilst my
camera has dials and buttons which enable changes to be made to
achieve revised settings.

Settings -> User Manual on my Android telephonic contraption.

Post by Sam Plusnet
That said, most user manuals are chock full of useless stuff, yet seem
incapable of telling you the one vital thing that _you_ want to know.

So true.

Post by Sam Plusnet
Quite by chance, I dug out an 'old' travel camera that I haven't used in
a few years (Panasonic TZ70) and found I had not a single clue what all
the icons on the display screen meant. That camera _does_ have a
manual, but I CBA to plough through it.
[1] For the phone as a whole, not just the camera bit.

--
Ric

john ashby

2024-06-10 05:50:47 UTC

On 09/06/2024 19:07, Nick Odell wrote:
[swerve]

Post by Nick Odell
A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet

Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?

john

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 08:45:32 UTC

Post by john ashby
[swerve]

Post by Nick Odell
A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet

Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?
john

No, you haven't (that I've seen, anyway) - I like it! Pity I'll almost
certainly not remember it, though.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

tried calling the tinnitus helpline - no answer, just kept ringing

Nick Odell

2024-06-10 16:13:11 UTC

On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:45:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by john ashby
[swerve]

Post by Nick Odell
A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet

Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?
john

No, you haven't (that I've seen, anyway) - I like it! Pity I'll almost
certainly not remember it, though.

Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.

Nick

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-10 18:22:40 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:45:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

[]

Post by john ashby
Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?
john

No, you haven't (that I've seen, anyway) - I like it! Pity I'll almost
certainly not remember it, though.

Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.
Nick

LOL! But I'd not have it when I needed it.

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-10 20:40:00 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:45:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by john ashby
[swerve]

Post by Nick Odell
A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet

Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?
john

No, you haven't (that I've seen, anyway) - I like it! Pity I'll almost
certainly not remember it, though.

Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.

Don't forget to write down the time. It's always handy to know that.

--
Sam Plusnet

Rosie Mitchell

2024-06-10 21:31:20 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:45:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by john ashby
[swerve]

Post by Nick Odell
A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet

Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?
john

No, you haven't (that I've seen, anyway) - I like it! Pity I'll almost
certainly not remember it, though.

Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.

Don't forget to write down the time. It's always handy to know that.

Or ask a police officer to do it for you.

Rosie

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-11 01:20:38 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:45:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by john ashby
[swerve]

Post by Nick Odell
A couple of years ago a Canadian friend - and by friend I mean someone
I chat to on the internet

Have I previously mentioned my coining for this kind of relationship -
an e-quaintance?
john

No, you haven't (that I've seen, anyway) - I like it! Pity I'll almost
certainly not remember it, though.

Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.

Don't forget to write down the time. It's always handy to know that.

Or ask a police officer to do it for you.

But you can't trust a special like an old time copper
When you...

--
Sam Plusnet

J. P. Gilliver

2024-06-11 00:15:06 UTC

[]

Post by Nick Odell
Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.

Don't forget to write down the time. It's always handy to know that.

You are Ginger &ICM5P.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I admire him for the constancy of his curiosity, his effortless sense of
authority and his ability to deliver good science without gimmicks.
- Michael Palin on Sir David Attenborough, RT 2016/5/7-13

Sam Plusnet

2024-06-11 01:21:40 UTC

Write it down on the back of the bit of paper you were going to use
for your shopping list, along with those map instructions.

Don't forget to write down the time. It's always handy to know that.

You are Ginger &ICM5P.

Some bottles are blue - especially in this case.

--
Sam Plusnet

BrritSki

2024-06-15 14:17:39 UTC