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BrritSki
2025-03-03 15:59:32 UTC
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Iwas once a fan of The Archers, to the extent that the Guardian quoted
me in 2007 outlining how ‘an unlikely combination of support from the
Queen and Julie Burchill led to the transformation of Britain’s
‘everyday story of country folk’ from a dull and tired format to its
present cult status.’ Apparently I wrote that ‘No longer are the women
of Ambridge stuck with ‘the gallons of greengage jam that the old-guard
male scriptwriters kept them occupied with for over 20 years.’

The BBC seems determined to educate listeners whom they think are ignorant

Look, I know I was taking a lot of drugs back then and my judgement
wasn’t the best; witness the pair of jokers I’d been married to already!
But of all the wacky attitudes I’ve held during my long, loony life (Tom
Robinson was the best thing to come put of punk, I once crazily opined
in print way back in the 1970s – again, I’m blaming the drugs), the idea
of The Archers as some kind of feminist vanguard vehicle has to be one
of the wackiest. Thankfully, I’ve since come to my senses.

After a couple of decades of being a perfectly good soap opera, like
every other serial drama, whether on radio or TV, from the BBC or ITV,
listening to The Archers on Radio 4 has come to feel like sitting in a
doctor’s waiting room without a book, when you’re forced to plough
through public-health pamphlets telling you how to think about
everything, from breakfast to Brexit. But the storylines of the last few
months show just how far The Archers has fallen.

These days you’d swear that there was a mandatory number of mentions of
‘climate change’; a teenager from the Malik family, who joined the show
in 2023, has joined the local clandestine ‘re-wilding’ group, showing
all the enthusiasm for contraband beavers that young men usually reserve
for the teachings of Andrew Tate. I’ve limited myself to a monthly
‘hate-listen’ ever since the strangely mute ‘Xander’ – the test-tube
offspring of resident Lovely Gay Couple Adam and Ian – was ‘birthed’ by
a Bulgarian fruit-picker whose womb was hired by the hour by the pair.
I’m just waiting for ten-year-old Henry to say he’s trans and we’ll have
a full bingo card.
BrritSki
2025-03-03 16:01:31 UTC
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On 03/03/2025 15:59, BrritSki wrote:

But there’s certainly no absence of Islam in Borsetshire. Young tearaway
George Grundy is currently languishing at Her Maj’s Pleasure. If he
converts to Islam behind bars he won’t be the first to do so. Tellingly,
an EastEnders character, Bobby Beale, did this back in 2019, while
serving a sentence for killing his ‘wayward’ sister. It was a bit on the
nose, which I’m sure the BBC didn’t intend, though here was BBC Sunday
Morning Live to make nice:

‘This week saw EastEnders character Bobby Beale begin his conversion to
Islam, with the faith set to have a positive impact on his life. The
storyline comes at a time when the media’s treatment of Muslims is in
the spotlight, with analysis from the Muslim Council of Britain
suggesting that the faith is often portrayed negatively in some media,
which may be leading to Islamophobia.’

There’s also a somewhat saintly family of Muslims in ITV’s Coronation
Street; ironically, Marc Anwar, the actor who played the family’s
patriarch, Sharif Nazir, was sacked for making racially offensive
comments about Indians on social media.

Back in Ambridge, meanwhile, the storylines about religion are getting a
bit much. Lynda Snell has made the decision to start fasting for Ramadan
out of respect for her Muslim lodgers. The bum-sucking, supplicating
dialogue put into Snell’s mouth was perhaps the state broadcaster’s most
sickening, self-immolating demonstration yet of the BBC’s capture by and
capitulation to Islam; it was right up there with Sainsbury’s as
highlighted by Melanie McDonagh in this week’s Spectator. The
supermarket recently asked its customers ‘Are you Ramadan-ready?’ in an
advert for its range of fast-breaking foods. As McDonagh pointed out:

‘Ramadan, which starts this week, is now very much part of the calendar,
much more than, say, Diwali. For the third year there will be a
switch-on of the Ramadan Lights in London – previously on Oxford Street,
this year in Coventry Street, where the message will be ‘Happy Ramadan’
until it changes to ‘Happy Eid’.’
BrritSki
2025-03-03 16:03:01 UTC
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On 03/03/2025 16:01, BrritSki wrote:

Do these people forget that most people in Britain aren’t Muslim?
Anyway, Snell, who started out as a Hyacinth-Bucket-type New Money
grotesque, appears to share this desire to suck up to minorities. Her
character, very much a Lady Muck, must be one of the most annoying on
the show. These days she has become far more ‘human’, if that is the
word for a grovelling, guilt-ridden gutless wonder who spends an unusual
amount of time worrying about being ‘the R-word’. I’m sure that this
facet of her character isn’t the wretched writers’ intention – they’re
not that suss or subtle – but this new version of Snell illustrates the
idea of ‘luxury beliefs’: the term coined by social commentator Rob
Henderson to describe the modern trend among the well off to use their
beliefs as a way to display their social status.

There had been racism in The Archers before, when Roy Tucker was
involved in a series of attacks back in the 1990s on the young lawyer
Usha Gupta (since married to a vicar). But it was well-handled, with Roy
shown the error of his ways, a sincere apology made and handshakes all
round. There were no lectures or re-education back then. Was that
because Usha is a Hindu, rather than a Muslim? The presentation of
another family, the Gills, certainly suggests that the writers are more
relaxed about the way that non-Muslims are presented. The Gills are
shown as flash New Money, who bought up a swanky Archer-family home and
now leave it unoccupied while they flit around the fleshpots of the
infidel world. It’s a world away from their depiction of the Malik
family, not least practicing Muslim mum Azra, whom the BBC describes as
a ‘no-nonsense local GP’.

Perhaps the most unlikely and comic aspect of the arrival of a Muslim
family in town is that it’s become part of Radio 4’s ongoing ridic and
‘beggy’ (as the youngsters say) attempt to appeal to young people or
right-on oldies. One sub-plot could be summed up as: ‘Isn’t Chelsea a
slag? It’s no wonder she got herself knocked up. If only she were modest
and chaste like that good Muslim girl, Zainab, who doesn’t go on these
awful immoral dates.’

Once again, the BBC seems determined to educate listeners whom they
think are ignorant. But in doing so, they simply reveal their own
ignorance; about what young people want to listen to, and about what a
soap like The Archers should be about. The programme’s shift from being
an everyday story of country folk to a totally fantastical story of
everyday Woke folk is complete.
BrritSki
2025-03-03 16:01:55 UTC
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On 03/03/2025 15:59, BrritSki wrote:

Do these people forget that most people in Britain aren’t Muslim?
Anyway, Snell, who started out as a Hyacinth-Bucket-type New Money
grotesque, appears to share this desire to suck up to minorities. Her
character, very much a Lady Muck, must be one of the most annoying on
the show. These days she has become far more ‘human’, if that is the
word for a grovelling, guilt-ridden gutless wonder who spends an unusual
amount of time worrying about being ‘the R-word’. I’m sure that this
facet of her character isn’t the wretched writers’ intention – they’re
not that suss or subtle – but this new version of Snell illustrates the
idea of ‘luxury beliefs’: the term coined by social commentator Rob
Henderson to describe the modern trend among the well off to use their
beliefs as a way to display their social status.

There had been racism in The Archers before, when Roy Tucker was
involved in a series of attacks back in the 1990s on the young lawyer
Usha Gupta (since married to a vicar). But it was well-handled, with Roy
shown the error of his ways, a sincere apology made and handshakes all
round. There were no lectures or re-education back then. Was that
because Usha is a Hindu, rather than a Muslim? The presentation of
another family, the Gills, certainly suggests that the writers are more
relaxed about the way that non-Muslims are presented. The Gills are
shown as flash New Money, who bought up a swanky Archer-family home and
now leave it unoccupied while they flit around the fleshpots of the
infidel world. It’s a world away from their depiction of the Malik
family, not least practicing Muslim mum Azra, whom the BBC describes as
a ‘no-nonsense local GP’.

Perhaps the most unlikely and comic aspect of the arrival of a Muslim
family in town is that it’s become part of Radio 4’s ongoing ridic and
‘beggy’ (as the youngsters say) attempt to appeal to young people or
right-on oldies. One sub-plot could be summed up as: ‘Isn’t Chelsea a
slag? It’s no wonder she got herself knocked up. If only she were modest
and chaste like that good Muslim girl, Zainab, who doesn’t go on these
awful immoral dates.’

Once again, the BBC seems determined to educate listeners whom they
think are ignorant. But in doing so, they simply reveal their own
ignorance; about what young people want to listen to, and about what a
soap like The Archers should be about. The programme’s shift from being
an everyday story of country folk to a totally fantastical story of
everyday Woke folk is complete.
john ashby
2025-03-03 16:18:13 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Do these people forget that most people in Britain aren’t Muslim?
Anyway, Snell, who started out as a Hyacinth-Bucket-type New Money
grotesque, appears to share this desire to suck up to minorities. Her
character, very much a Lady Muck, must be one of the most annoying on
the show. These days she has become far more ‘human’, if that is the
word for a grovelling, guilt-ridden gutless wonder who spends an unusual
amount of time worrying about being ‘the R-word’. I’m sure that this
facet of her character isn’t the wretched writers’ intention – they’re
not that suss or subtle – but this new version of Snell illustrates the
idea of ‘luxury beliefs’: the term coined by social commentator Rob
Henderson to describe the modern trend among the well off to use their
beliefs as a way to display their social status.
There had been racism in The Archers before, when Roy Tucker was
involved in a series of attacks back in the 1990s on the young lawyer
Usha Gupta (since married to a vicar). But it was well-handled, with Roy
shown the error of his ways, a sincere apology made and handshakes all
round. There were no lectures or re-education back then. Was that
because Usha is a Hindu, rather than a Muslim? The presentation of
another family, the Gills, certainly suggests that the writers are more
relaxed about the way that non-Muslims are presented. The Gills are
shown as flash New Money, who bought up a swanky Archer-family home and
now leave it unoccupied while they flit around the fleshpots of the
infidel world. It’s a world away from their depiction of the Malik
family, not least practicing Muslim mum Azra, whom the BBC describes as
a ‘no-nonsense local GP’.
Perhaps the most unlikely and comic aspect of the arrival of a Muslim
family in town is that it’s become part of Radio 4’s ongoing ridic and
‘beggy’ (as the youngsters say) attempt to appeal to young people or
right-on oldies. One sub-plot could be summed up as: ‘Isn’t Chelsea a
slag? It’s no wonder she got herself knocked up. If only she were modest
and chaste like that good Muslim girl, Zainab, who doesn’t go on these
awful immoral dates.’
Once again, the BBC seems determined to educate listeners whom they
think are ignorant. But in doing so, they simply reveal their own
ignorance; about what young people want to listen to, and about what a
soap like The Archers should be about. The programme’s shift from being
an everyday story of country folk to a totally fantastical story of
everyday Woke folk is complete.
If ever I'm unsure what to think on a subject I'll be sure to consult
Julie Burchill.

john
Nick Odell
2025-03-03 18:01:07 UTC
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Post by john ashby
Do these people forget that most people in Britain aren’t Muslim?
Anyway, Snell, who started out as a Hyacinth-Bucket-type New Money
grotesque, appears to share this desire to suck up to minorities. Her
character, very much a Lady Muck, must be one of the most annoying on
the show. These days she has become far more ‘human’, if that is the
word for a grovelling, guilt-ridden gutless wonder who spends an unusual
amount of time worrying about being ‘the R-word’. I’m sure that this
facet of her character isn’t the wretched writers’ intention – they’re
not that suss or subtle – but this new version of Snell illustrates the
idea of ‘luxury beliefs’: the term coined by social commentator Rob
Henderson to describe the modern trend among the well off to use their
beliefs as a way to display their social status.
There had been racism in The Archers before, when Roy Tucker was
involved in a series of attacks back in the 1990s on the young lawyer
Usha Gupta (since married to a vicar). But it was well-handled, with Roy
shown the error of his ways, a sincere apology made and handshakes all
round. There were no lectures or re-education back then. Was that
because Usha is a Hindu, rather than a Muslim? The presentation of
another family, the Gills, certainly suggests that the writers are more
relaxed about the way that non-Muslims are presented. The Gills are
shown as flash New Money, who bought up a swanky Archer-family home and
now leave it unoccupied while they flit around the fleshpots of the
infidel world. It’s a world away from their depiction of the Malik
family, not least practicing Muslim mum Azra, whom the BBC describes as
a ‘no-nonsense local GP’.
Perhaps the most unlikely and comic aspect of the arrival of a Muslim
family in town is that it’s become part of Radio 4’s ongoing ridic and
‘beggy’ (as the youngsters say) attempt to appeal to young people or
right-on oldies. One sub-plot could be summed up as: ‘Isn’t Chelsea a
slag? It’s no wonder she got herself knocked up. If only she were modest
and chaste like that good Muslim girl, Zainab, who doesn’t go on these
awful immoral dates.’
Once again, the BBC seems determined to educate listeners whom they
think are ignorant. But in doing so, they simply reveal their own
ignorance; about what young people want to listen to, and about what a
soap like The Archers should be about. The programme’s shift from being
an everyday story of country folk to a totally fantastical story of
everyday Woke folk is complete.
If ever I'm unsure what to think on a subject I'll be sure to consult
Julie Burchill.
I don't think Julie Burchill is in a very happy place these days.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/facing-a-future-in-a-wheelchair/

archived version without a paywall https://archive.ph/apatV

In fact whilst searching for that article I came across several others
going back at least to 2008 which suggest that she hasn't been in a
very happy place for quite a while.

Nick
BrritSki
2025-03-03 20:03:31 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
I don't think Julie Burchill is in a very happy place these days.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/facing-a-future-in-a-wheelchair/
archived version without a paywall https://archive.ph/apatV
In fact whilst searching for that article I came across several others
going back at least to 2008 which suggest that she hasn't been in a
very happy place for quite a while.
I don't think I agree having followed her work for some time and she
writes brilliantly, whether you like what she says or not...
Nick Odell
2025-03-04 13:02:08 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Nick Odell
I don't think Julie Burchill is in a very happy place these days.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/facing-a-future-in-a-wheelchair/
archived version without a paywall https://archive.ph/apatV
In fact whilst searching for that article I came across several others
going back at least to 2008 which suggest that she hasn't been in a
very happy place for quite a while.
I don't think I agree having followed her work for some time and she
writes brilliantly, whether you like what she says or not...
I'm not disputing the brilliance or otherwise of her writing. Although
her writing is mostly not to my taste, there are lots of other
brilliant writers who are not to my taste either but I can still
recognise them as brilliant. I still think - and in my view it's
completely understandable in her circumstances - she's not in a happy
place personally and that comes out in her writing: the tone of the
polemicism within the article you quoted, for instance.

Nick
Kosmo
2025-03-08 10:08:16 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
I’m just waiting for ten-year-old Henry to say he’s trans and we’ll have
a full bingo card.
Inevitable given the trauma he has suffered having Helen for a mother.
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