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Beavers
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Kosmo
2025-01-13 22:35:02 UTC
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Why does everyone keep complaining to Justin about the need for a beaver?

He has absolutely nothing to do with re-wilding apart from renting some
land (and was there a barn or something) and offering them enough money
to ensure that Kirsty could pay her mortgage?

Has everyone lost the plot?
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Clive Arthur
2025-01-13 22:44:35 UTC
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On 13/01/2025 22:35, Kosmo wrote:

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Why does everyone keep complaining to Justin about the need for a beaver?
Belvoir. Krusty wants to release Rex's posh squash.
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Clive
Kosmo
2025-01-13 22:52:16 UTC
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Why does everyone keep complaining to Justin about the need for a beaver?
Belvoir.  Krusty wants to release Rex's posh squash.
Having heard the latest even Kirsty cannot explain it - she needs some
of Joy's resilience to stand up for herself.
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john ashby
2025-01-14 03:15:00 UTC
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Why does everyone keep complaining to Justin about the need for a beaver?
Belvoir.  Krusty wants to release Rex's posh squash.
Having heard the latest even Kirsty cannot explain it - she needs some
of Joy's resilience to stand up for herself.
It's a rare example of the PTF going on strike, Justin is cting totally
in character by assuming any degree of financial involvement in the
rewilding project, no matter how small, buys him total control. Late
stage capitalism in action.

john
Serena Blanchflower
2025-01-14 10:23:45 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Why does everyone keep complaining to Justin about the need for a beaver?
He has absolutely nothing to do with re-wilding apart from renting some
land (and was there a barn or something) and offering them enough money
to ensure that Kirsty could pay her mortgage?
Has everyone lost the plot?
I agree that the reason Justin considers that he has any authority in
this is because he's Justin and it appears to be evidence that his brush
with the ghosts of Christmas only had a brief impact on him.

That said though, I don't think that Kirsty and Rex could, legally,
reintroduce beavers without Justin's (as Damara's representative) active
involvement in the scheme. I believe that it will need to be the
land*owner* or their agent who has to apply for any permits. Someone
who merely rents the patch of land, especially as they only have a
relatively short term lease, wouldn't be able to.

Unless the proposed beaver compound is entirely on Damara's land,
they'll also have to involve all the other landowners - and we all know
what David will say!
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Kosmo
2025-01-14 15:51:21 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Why does everyone keep complaining to Justin about the need for a beaver?
He has absolutely nothing to do with re-wilding apart from renting
some land (and was there a barn or something) and offering them enough
money to ensure that Kirsty could pay her mortgage?
Has everyone lost the plot?
I agree that the reason Justin considers that he has any authority in
this is because he's Justin and it appears to be evidence that his brush
with the ghosts of Christmas only had a brief impact on him.
That said though, I don't think that Kirsty and Rex could, legally,
reintroduce beavers without Justin's (as Damara's representative) active
involvement in the scheme.  I believe that it will need to be the
land*owner* or their agent who has to apply for any permits.  Someone
who merely rents the patch of land, especially as they  only have a
relatively short term lease, wouldn't be able to.
Unless the proposed beaver compound is entirely on Damara's land,
they'll also have to involve all the other landowners - and we all know
what David will say!
Thank you for that insight. Last week was a new writer and to be honest
I did not think he had much of a clue about this or the way an
Inspector(?) might talk to a Sergeant. "You must take this once in a
lifetime offer" with the implication that otherwise he would wake up to
a horse's head on the bed in the morning is not the way that an employer
would approach a long serving, presumably loyal, colleague.

It is always easy to pick holes in aspects of what is presented and I am
perhaps nitpicking but I really do not feel that the editor has been
good at addressing editing issues.

It is so long since I was at University so I have no idea on current
practices but in retrospect I would suggest that Brad's mistake was to
opt to be at home / Felpersham, If he had gone away then George would
be unable to lean on him.
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lfs
2025-01-14 19:29:16 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
It is so long since I was at University so I have no idea on current
practices but in retrospect I would suggest that Brad's mistake was to
opt to be at home / Felpersham, If he had gone away then George would
be unable to lean on him.
It's very expensive for students to go to university away from home
these days. Rents in university towns are very high. Student
accommodation has been improved greatly as a means of attracting more,
in a very competitive environment, but it has been financed through
complex property deals with private developers who are now also
demanding very high rents. Add in student fees and you have a very
significant investment for a family like Brad's who are already
financially precarious.

It doesn't sound as if Felpersham have a very effective student support
structure which is odd as a lot of emphasis is placed on that these
days.
Kosmo
2025-01-14 21:07:48 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
It is so long since I was at University so I have no idea on current
practices but in retrospect I would suggest that Brad's mistake was to
opt to be at home / Felpersham,  If he had gone away then George would
be unable to lean on him.
It's very expensive for students to go to university away from home
these days. Rents in university towns are very high. Student
accommodation has been improved greatly as a means of attracting more,
in a very competitive environment, but it has been financed through
complex property deals with private developers who are now also
demanding very high rents. Add in student fees and you have a very
significant investment for a family like Brad's who are already
financially precarious.
It doesn't sound as if Felpersham have a very effective student support
structure which is odd as a lot of emphasis is placed on that these
days.
The latter point is particularly different to my own experiences some
50+ years ago. In those days first years did not automatically get a
place in hall so I always felt remote from other students. I just about
got a degree at the end of it and will forever think highly of the place
- but I wonder if things could have been better. I suspect that even
with more modern attitudes I doubt that my eventual degree would have
been any better. However I cannot complain - I feel I enjoyed most of
my working life and have been able to return something to the community
subsequently.
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
lfs
2025-01-15 09:49:50 UTC
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It is so long since I was at University so I have no idea on current
practices but in retrospect I would suggest that Brad's mistake was to
opt to be at home / Felpersham,  If he had gone away then George would
be unable to lean on him.
It's very expensive for students to go to university away from home
these days. Rents in university towns are very high. Student
accommodation has been improved greatly as a means of attracting more,
in a very competitive environment, but it has been financed through
complex property deals with private developers who are now also
demanding very high rents. Add in student fees and you have a very
significant investment for a family like Brad's who are already
financially precarious.
It doesn't sound as if Felpersham have a very effective student support
structure which is odd as a lot of emphasis is placed on that these
days.
The latter point is particularly different to my own experiences some
50+ years ago. In those days first years did not automatically get a
place in hall so I always felt remote from other students. I just about
got a degree at the end of it and will forever think highly of the place
- but I wonder if things could have been better. I suspect that even
with more modern attitudes I doubt that my eventual degree would have
been any better. However I cannot complain - I feel I enjoyed most of
my working life and have been able to return something to the community
subsequently.
The academic environment in which I spent 30 years of my working life
was very different to my own experience of university in the 1960s. Most
aspects were greatly improved. Sadly political interference has depleted
the sector and it is now a pale shadow of its former self. One problem
has been politicians assuming that because they went to university they
know all about it and nothing has changed…
Chris J Dixon
2025-01-15 10:32:47 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
The latter point is particularly different to my own experiences some
50+ years ago. In those days first years did not automatically get a
place in hall so I always felt remote from other students. I just about
got a degree at the end of it and will forever think highly of the place
- but I wonder if things could have been better. I suspect that even
with more modern attitudes I doubt that my eventual degree would have
been any better. However I cannot complain - I feel I enjoyed most of
my working life and have been able to return something to the community
subsequently.
I think I have posted some of what follows here over the years. I
never lived in hall.

Looking back on my career as an electrical engineer, whilst I
would not have been able to get the jobs I did without a degree,
and for one post Chartered status was required, in truth I can't
think of much academic knowledge above A-level physics that I
personally made use of.

When I finally ended up designing electrical propulsion equipment
for railway rolling stock, one of the "old school" engineers
explained that all that was needed was Ohm's Law, plus 25 years'
experience. They were, up to a point, quite right.

There were times when I was amazed how folk with much better
academic ability than me seemed lacking in the skills to
translate that into hardware. I suppose each of us has aptitudes
in areas which others find challenging.

I took a "thin sandwich" degree, in electrical engineering at
Salford, which was (probably still is) a pretty good way of
combining academic study with industrial experience. I worked at
what was then AEI (later became GEC, finally, after I left,
Alstom) at Trafford Park.

Their apprentice training school was large and comprehensive. We
only had an accelerated passage through the various disciplines,
but it was a valuable introduction to the realities of heavy
engineering.

The first three years we had 20 weeks at college, the
rest in industry, and the final year was a standard 30 weeks,
finishing with a full year back in industry.

The timing left us (or at least me) oddly disconnected from
standard academic terms, and general student activities. We
started in September, and had been there a month before the other
students arrived, but a couple of weeks later we disappeared for
a half term break. By Christmas (our holiday was shorter than
theirs) we had just about finished the syllabus, returning in the
New Year for revision and exams at the beginning of Feb.

Salford had just gained university status, having previously been
the Royal College of Advanced Technology, and the teaching
method was pretty much indistinguishable from school, no dreaming
spires for us. I never was a good self-motivator, and I left with
a third.

On my course a fair proportion of the students were from
industry, which also had a distinct influence on the atmosphere
of learning. One guy had turned up for work as usual, only to be
informed that he should actually be down the road at college,
hadn't anybody told him?

One thing I never realised beforehand was how much of a
university engineering course is actually maths. There is just so
much that I never understood, and even the bits I did grasp are
lost in the mists of time. I remember my disappointment, having
chosen a "machines" option, to be presented with a large matrix
and being told that, for the purposes of this analysis, the
design details were pretty irrelevant, all large machines reduced
to this grid of numbers.

It was also clearly my personal ceiling for physics - I had to
re-sit in my first year at university.

I believe I had managed a grade A at A level on what (to me)
seemed like common sense, and managed to avoid too many proofs.
The university focus was rather different, and additionally I
suppose I allowed myself to think I could get away with less
revision than it actually needed.

We did have some sessions timetabled as "tutorials", but that was
just the whole group doing (or not) worked examples.

As for personal development, in all honesty that passed me by
too.

Chris
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Kosmo
2025-01-15 19:18:26 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
in truth I can't
think of much academic knowledge above A-level physics that I
personally made use of.
I might add something similar except that I did do some Fortran
programming in the second year - nothing exceptional and it all had to
be converted into punched cards for system input.

However a few years later when I needed some reports and learnt sql to
access a database some of that learning was needed. But that may have
been the only item.

And of course I gave up on the physics to simply do some adding up and
taking away.
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www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Chris
2025-01-15 20:12:10 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Post by Chris J Dixon
in truth I can't
think of much academic knowledge above A-level physics that I
personally made use of.
I might add something similar except that I did do some Fortran
programming in the second year - nothing exceptional and it all had to
be converted into punched cards for system input.
However a few years later when I needed some reports and learnt sql to
access a database some of that learning was needed. But that may have
been the only item.
And of course I gave up on the physics to simply do some adding up and
taking away.
Beavers. Throughly enjoyed Brine and Miranda v Justin, and Justin, Krusty
and Rex x Roof. In fact I wondered if we were about to see the end of a
wonderful (for some value of) relationship.

Mrs McT
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2025-01-16 09:51:25 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:12:10 -0000 (UTC), Chris
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Post by Chris J Dixon
in truth I can't
think of much academic knowledge above A-level physics that I
personally made use of.
I might add something similar except that I did do some Fortran
programming in the second year - nothing exceptional and it all had to
be converted into punched cards for system input.
However a few years later when I needed some reports and learnt sql to
access a database some of that learning was needed. But that may have
been the only item.
And of course I gave up on the physics to simply do some adding up and
taking away.
Beavers. Throughly enjoyed Brine and Miranda v Justin, and Justin, Krusty
and Rex x Roof. In fact I wondered if we were about to see the end of a
wonderful (for some value of) relationship.
Mrs McT
I liked the beaver and bridge stuff too. Naughter Justin?
v***@gmail.com
2025-01-16 12:21:16 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 20:12:10 -0000 (UTC), Chris
Post by Chris
Post by Kosmo
Post by Chris J Dixon
in truth I can't
think of much academic knowledge above A-level physics that I
personally made use of.
I might add something similar except that I did do some Fortran
programming in the second year - nothing exceptional and it all had to
be converted into punched cards for system input.
However a few years later when I needed some reports and learnt sql to
access a database some of that learning was needed. But that may have
been the only item.
And of course I gave up on the physics to simply do some adding up and
taking away.
Beavers. Throughly enjoyed Brine and Miranda v Justin, and Justin, Krusty
and Rex x Roof. In fact I wondered if we were about to see the end of a
wonderful (for some value of) relationship.
Mrs McT
I liked the beaver and bridge stuff too. Naughter Justin?
Naughty not naughter.

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