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BrritSki
2024-09-19 08:00:52 UTC
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Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ? Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.

To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
nick
2024-09-19 17:40:09 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ? Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
BTN in spades over here please!

Nick
Rosie Mitchell
2024-09-19 22:43:06 UTC
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Post by nick
Post by BrritSki
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ? Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
BTN in spades over here please!
Nick
Yes

Rosie
BrritSki
2024-09-20 09:25:55 UTC
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Post by nick
Post by BrritSki
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ? Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
BTN in spades over here please!
Yes
A rather shame-faced Huzzah !
Sam Plusnet
2024-09-19 18:50:02 UTC
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Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
I hope the "He" bit of the name will not imply the risk of premature...

Sorry. Don't know what came over me there.
Kosmo
2024-09-20 09:11:51 UTC
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Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Chris J Dixon
2024-09-20 09:25:29 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
AIUI, they caused the pagers to give the usual sound for an
incoming message, then a few seconds later detonated the tiny
charge with the pager very close to victim.

Chris
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'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.
Joe Kerr
2024-09-20 11:34:13 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.

How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.

The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.

I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
--
Ric
Clive Arthur
2024-09-20 12:12:45 UTC
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On 20/09/2024 12:34, Joe Kerr wrote:

<snipped>
Post by Joe Kerr
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.

--
Cheers
Clive
Nick Odell
2024-09-21 10:35:22 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:12:45 +0100, Clive Arthur
Post by Clive Arthur
<snipped>
Post by Joe Kerr
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
http://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
:-)

Do they have whales in the Med?
http://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk

Nick
Joe Kerr
2024-09-21 13:37:56 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:12:45 +0100, Clive Arthur
Post by Clive Arthur
<snipped>
Post by Joe Kerr
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
http://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
:-)
Do they have whales in the Med?
http://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
Nick
Did you mean
?
--
Ric
Nick Odell
2024-09-21 14:30:50 UTC
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Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:12:45 +0100, Clive Arthur
Post by Clive Arthur
<snipped>
Post by Joe Kerr
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
http://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
:-)
Do they have whales in the Med?
http://youtu.be/sj6-LG5VpGk
Nick
Did you mean http://youtu.be/V6CLumsir34 ?
After they've been infiltrated - again - I suppose. I was thinking
more of tide-to-tide communications but then, if Elon Musk won't play
nicely with Starlink there's always an alternative form of Sat-Com



Nick
Mike McMillan
2024-09-20 16:43:03 UTC
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Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
Produce bird food laced with laxatives?
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Sam Plusnet
2024-09-20 19:20:13 UTC
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Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive
into a pager to create the reported mayhem?
Plastique is really powerful stuff.
The devices' casing & innards would act, to some degree, as shrapnel.
Post by Joe Kerr
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
"But it was a bargain! They were going really cheap if I bought the
whole batch."

The Hezbollah procurement department will be reviewing procedures and
revising its methods.
Post by Joe Kerr
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
v***@gmail.com
2024-09-21 09:36:18 UTC
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Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
Yes. You design the pager with space for the already determined charge.
After the pagers have been manufactured you open them up, pop in the
explosive device and repackage the pager. Not that I've ever done this.
How you then get your intended target to buy 5000 of them is another matter.
The mayhem comes from having so many go off at around the same time,
coupled with surprise and uncertainty about what may happen next.
I'm wondering about what happens when they fall back to even lower
technology and start using carrier pigeons.
I've seen 2 match boxes with string between suggested too
Mike McMillan
2024-09-20 16:41:19 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Kate B
2024-09-21 10:22:41 UTC
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Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
--
Kate B
john ashby
2024-09-21 12:19:37 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
Agreed. I think I heard someone on the news comparing this to the use of
cluster bombs which is outlawed.

john
Nick Odell
2024-09-23 10:36:43 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.

I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.

Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.

What is going on? Why have we become like this?

Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
might hold some clues about that:
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>

It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.

If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."

Nick
john ashby
2024-09-23 11:11:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.
I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.
Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.
What is going on? Why have we become like this?
Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."
Nick
<AOL>

john
Kosmo
2024-09-23 13:24:09 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
I feel it is exemplified by the constrictions on our societal life by
the covid epidemic, the petty rules which changed constantly for no
(obviously good) reason, the imposition of a vaccine - even to the point
of threatening people with losing their jobs if they did not accept it.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Kate B
2024-09-23 14:17:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.
I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.
Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.
What is going on? Why have we become like this?
Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."
Nick
Yes indeed. Once I managed to ignore the silly skewed lines and letters
(which played havoc with my already wobbly eyesight. What do you mean
there are no skewed lines or letters...?) I see what he's talking
about.Though once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit-hole it is very
difficult to unlearn your helplessness. I hope you are all listening to
the estimable Gabriel Gatehouse and his second series of The Coming Storm?
--
Kate B
nick
2024-09-26 08:05:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kate B
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.
I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.
Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.
What is going on? Why have we become like this?
Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."
Nick
Yes indeed. Once I managed to ignore the silly skewed lines and letters
(which played havoc with my already wobbly eyesight. What do you mean
there are no skewed lines or letters...?) I see what he's talking
about.Though once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit-hole it is very
difficult to unlearn your helplessness. I hope you are all listening to
the estimable Gabriel Gatehouse and his second series of The Coming Storm?
Not just this but also, when available, Jon Ronson's "Things Fell Apart"
series. I've just listened to one of the "bonus" episodes, a Q&A session
with a live audience https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00213vh which
I'd recommend if only for the classic example of a Gish Gallop and the
textbook rebuttal. A masterclass in coping with convinced conspiracy
theorists if one has to.

I don't want to make this too much of a spoiler so briefly, Ronson was
responding to audience questions when one of those people who can talk
for hours without drawing breath got up and recited a stream of
whatabouts. Ronson interrupted them (to muttered complaints of BBC
censorship from the speaker) by saying I was asking for questions, not
statements and then. of the conspiracy theories thus far uttered, picked
one of the biggest and deconstructed it there and then before
continuing.

Highly recommended by me!

Nick
Kate B
2024-09-26 09:53:24 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough
explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.
I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.
Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.
What is going on? Why have we become like this?
Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/
voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."
Nick
Yes indeed. Once I managed to ignore the silly skewed lines and letters
(which played havoc with my already wobbly eyesight. What do you mean
there are no skewed lines or letters...?) I see what he's talking
about.Though once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit-hole it is very
difficult to unlearn your helplessness. I hope you are all listening to
the estimable Gabriel Gatehouse and his second series of The Coming Storm?
Not just this but also, when available, Jon Ronson's "Things Fell Apart"
series. I've just listened to one of the "bonus" episodes, a Q&A session
with a live audience https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00213vh  which
I'd recommend if only for the classic example of a Gish Gallop and the
textbook rebuttal. A masterclass in coping with convinced conspiracy
theorists if one has to.
I don't want to make this too much of a spoiler so briefly, Ronson was
responding to audience questions when one of those people who can talk
for hours without drawing breath got up and recited a stream of
whatabouts. Ronson interrupted them (to muttered complaints of BBC
censorship from the speaker) by saying I was asking for questions, not
statements and then. of the conspiracy theories thus far uttered, picked
one of the biggest and deconstructed it there and then before
continuing.
Highly recommended by me!
and me too!

The Gish Gallop is the quintessential Trumpian technique, so why do I
visualise Lilian Gish on a racehorse?
--
Kate B
nick
2024-09-26 11:10:06 UTC
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Post by nick
Post by Kate B
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.
I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.
Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.
What is going on? Why have we become like this?
Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/
voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."
Nick
Yes indeed. Once I managed to ignore the silly skewed lines and letters
(which played havoc with my already wobbly eyesight. What do you mean
there are no skewed lines or letters...?) I see what he's talking
about.Though once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit-hole it is very
difficult to unlearn your helplessness. I hope you are all listening to
the estimable Gabriel Gatehouse and his second series of The Coming Storm?
Not just this but also, when available, Jon Ronson's "Things Fell Apart"
series. I've just listened to one of the "bonus" episodes, a Q&A session
with a live audience https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00213vh  which
I'd recommend if only for the classic example of a Gish Gallop and the
textbook rebuttal. A masterclass in coping with convinced conspiracy
theorists if one has to.
I don't want to make this too much of a spoiler so briefly, Ronson was
responding to audience questions when one of those people who can talk
for hours without drawing breath got up and recited a stream of
whatabouts. Ronson interrupted them (to muttered complaints of BBC
censorship from the speaker) by saying I was asking for questions, not
statements and then. of the conspiracy theories thus far uttered, picked
one of the biggest and deconstructed it there and then before
continuing.
Highly recommended by me!
and me too!
The Gish Gallop is the quintessential Trumpian technique, so why do I
visualise Lilian Gish on a racehorse?
Another never-alone-on-umra moment!

Nick
Rosie Mitchell
2024-09-26 12:58:17 UTC
Permalink
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Post by nick
Post by Kate B
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Kate B
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Kosmo
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
On a practical note can anyone explain how you get enough explosive into
a pager to create the reported mayhem?
I understand that you only need a few grams of plastic explosive packed
into a tiny cavity to do a lot of bodily damage.
I don't quite understand why this hasn't been universally
condemned as a
war crime, but instead praised as a particularly clever piece of
sabotage. As it turns out, many Hezbollah fighters may indeed have been
killed or horribly injured but so were hundreds of civilians including
children, who were too close when the devices went off. Hezbollah are
bombing northern Israel, that's obviously a crime too, but Israel is
going one further with an indiscriminate attack like this. 'Collateral
damage' has always been a weak excuse, and isn't in the least adequate
for what happened here.
The conflict in the Middle East is something I have very strong
feelings about but I feel compelled to self-censor because other
people have very strong feelings too. People get so angry. Even people
who are, let us say, on the "same side" as each other (whatever that
might mean) can get incredibly angry if the other's views are
insufficiently extreme.
I observed an example of this over the weekend on another forum. (Yes,
there really are other forums) In common with umra it is struggling,
and down to something like its last dozen members who have tended to
stay together because they like each other. I thought we knew each
other really well - but maybe as in our own HughEdwards-alike example,
maybe we don't.
Once again I just stood on the sidelines as the Middle-East discussion
unfolded and then suddenly there was a complete tirade of filth and
abuse from one poster towards another because the latter had failed to
be sufficiently extreme in their support of the former. So much anger.
So much hate.
What is going on? Why have we become like this?
Fortuitously, this morning the Guardian published an article that
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/22/
voters-learned-hopelessness-helplessness-democrats-trump>
It's talking about the US elections but it has more general
applications. I don't think it holds all the answers but I feel I
understand what is going on inside me a little better now.
If you decide to read it, please don't skip the bit about the animal
experiments. While I was reading that part I was thinking, "Yep!
That's me, that is."
Nick
Yes indeed. Once I managed to ignore the silly skewed lines and letters
(which played havoc with my already wobbly eyesight. What do you mean
there are no skewed lines or letters...?) I see what he's talking
about.Though once you fall down the conspiracy rabbit-hole it is very
difficult to unlearn your helplessness. I hope you are all listening to
the estimable Gabriel Gatehouse and his second series of The Coming Storm?
Not just this but also, when available, Jon Ronson's "Things Fell Apart"
series. I've just listened to one of the "bonus" episodes, a Q&A session
with a live audience https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00213vh  which
I'd recommend if only for the classic example of a Gish Gallop and the
textbook rebuttal. A masterclass in coping with convinced conspiracy
theorists if one has to.
I don't want to make this too much of a spoiler so briefly, Ronson was
responding to audience questions when one of those people who can talk
for hours without drawing breath got up and recited a stream of
whatabouts. Ronson interrupted them (to muttered complaints of BBC
censorship from the speaker) by saying I was asking for questions, not
statements and then. of the conspiracy theories thus far uttered, picked
one of the biggest and deconstructed it there and then before
continuing.
Highly recommended by me!
and me too!
The Gish Gallop is the quintessential Trumpian technique, so why do I
visualise Lilian Gish on a racehorse?
I usually envisage her standing up to a man looking like Robert Mitchum
in a clerical hate with HATE tattooed on his knuckles.

Rosie

Clive Arthur
2024-09-20 21:57:05 UTC
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Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody ears off!"
--
Cheers
Clive
Chris J Dixon
2024-09-21 08:48:32 UTC
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Post by Clive Arthur
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody ears off!"
BTN!

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.
Rosie Mitchell
2024-09-21 20:40:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clive Arthur
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody ears off!"
BTN!
Chris
Yes

Rosie
Mike McMillan
2024-09-21 11:49:32 UTC
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Post by Clive Arthur
Anyone want to invest in my new startup -, HezPhones ?   Idea is to
create cheap but high-end looking iPhone and Android lookalikes but
embed a small explosive charge in them. Then parade round the areas
where eScooter and eBike phone theft is common. When the phone is
stolen, let them escape a fair distance and away from anyone else and
press the detonator.
To be followed by a similar Rolexbollah range.
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody ears off!"
Instead, they got a real caining.
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
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