Spoiler 29/06/22

From Bad to *DIRE*

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

John Ashby

2022-06-29 19:23:02 UTC

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Hollertoaks.

john

Vicky

2022-06-29 20:57:36 UTC

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

Sally Thompson

2022-06-30 06:35:48 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

Oh dear. I am VERY behind: 45 episodes to be precise. I have a good idea of
what's been going on thanks to umra and Facebook, but wondering if I should
bother!

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Mike McMillan

2022-06-30 07:13:14 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

Oh dear. I am VERY behind: 45 episodes to be precise. I have a good idea of
what's been going on thanks to umra and Facebook, but wondering if I should
bother!

‘We listen so you don’t need to.’
So, the answer to your question is ‘No’.
HTH, HAND

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Chris J Dixon

2022-06-30 07:13:41 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

Oh dear. I am VERY behind: 45 episodes to be precise. I have a good idea of
what's been going on thanks to umra and Facebook, but wondering if I should
bother!

As one who has long since voted with my ears, I no longer
recognise many of the characters being discussed, so the regular
updates increasingly go over my head.

If catching up does not appeal, just walk away. ;-)

Chris

--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

John Ashby

2022-06-30 07:26:55 UTC

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

Oh dear. I am VERY behind: 45 episodes to be precise. I have a good idea of
what's been going on thanks to umra and Facebook, but wondering if I should
bother!

As one who has long since voted with my ears, I no longer
recognise many of the characters being discussed, so the regular
updates increasingly go over my head.
If catching up does not appeal, just walk away. ;-)
Chris

But it's important to say that if you do walk away, you'll still be
welcome here.

john

Jenny M Benson

2022-06-30 09:10:32 UTC

Post by Chris J Dixon
As one who has long since voted with my ears, I no longer
recognise many of the characters being discussed, so the regular
updates increasingly go over my head.

Likewise.

Post by Chris J Dixon
If catching up does not appeal, just walk away.;-)

Giving up is good for your health!

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

Sally Thompson

2022-06-30 11:01:05 UTC

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Chris J Dixon
As one who has long since voted with my ears, I no longer
recognise many of the characters being discussed, so the regular
updates increasingly go over my head.

Likewise.

Post by Chris J Dixon
If catching up does not appeal, just walk away.;-)

Giving up is good for your health!

It's just that I tend to listen to chunks on my AirPods when I'm doing a
long and boring job, say in the kitchen, and I haven't been in that
position for quite a time.

--
Sally in Shropshire, UK

Sam Plusnet

2022-06-30 19:43:21 UTC

Post by Chris J Dixon
As one who has long since voted with my ears, I no longer
recognise many of the characters being discussed, so the regular
updates increasingly go over my head.
If catching up does not appeal, just walk away. ;-)

Renee.

(There! It needed saying.)

The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

Sid Nuncius

2022-07-01 05:08:46 UTC

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

:o)) Never mind, Steve - you're not to blame.

BTW, may I commend to the house this (IMO) wondrous cover version by
Jimmy LaFave:

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

Nick Odell

2022-07-01 10:08:19 UTC

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

:o)) Never mind, Steve - you're not to blame.
BTW, may I commend to the house this (IMO) wondrous cover version by
http://youtu.be/-yix4UqbYe4

The creepy stalker version:

You won't see me follow you back home because I am more careful than
that.

Sorry: just been revisiting Peter Sellers Hard Days Night and now
everything seems to have a double entendre.

Nick

Vicky

2022-07-01 11:15:28 UTC

On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 11:08:19 +0100, Nick Odell

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

:o)) Never mind, Steve - you're not to blame.
BTW, may I commend to the house this (IMO) wondrous cover version by
http://youtu.be/-yix4UqbYe4

You won't see me follow you back home because I am more careful than
that.
Sorry: just been revisiting Peter Sellers Hard Days Night and now
everything seems to have a double entendre.
Nick

Many love songs are a bit worrying if you think about them that way.
The Police - I'll be Watching you
Blondie - One way or another (yeah but Debbie Harry so he won't mind)

I bet umrats could do a whole stalker songbook

Nick Odell

2022-07-01 15:13:40 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 11:08:19 +0100, Nick Odell

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

:o)) Never mind, Steve - you're not to blame.
BTW, may I commend to the house this (IMO) wondrous cover version by
http://youtu.be/-yix4UqbYe4

You won't see me follow you back home because I am more careful than
that.
Sorry: just been revisiting Peter Sellers Hard Days Night and now
everything seems to have a double entendre.
Nick

Top of the creepy chart, in my opinion:

I hold your hand in mine, dear
I press it to my lips....

Nick

Penny

2022-07-01 19:00:50 UTC

On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 16:13:40 +0100, Nick Odell

Post by Vicky
On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 11:08:19 +0100, Nick Odell

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

:o)) Never mind, Steve - you're not to blame.
BTW, may I commend to the house this (IMO) wondrous cover version by
http://youtu.be/-yix4UqbYe4

You won't see me follow you back home because I am more careful than
that.
Sorry: just been revisiting Peter Sellers Hard Days Night and now
everything seems to have a double entendre.
Nick

I hold your hand in mine, dear
I press it to my lips....

Surely Mr Lehrer's oeuvre should not be considered for this particular
chart.

--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Steveski

2022-07-01 23:35:11 UTC

On 01/07/2022 12:15, Vicky wrote:

[snip]

Post by Vicky
Many love songs are a bit worrying if you think about them that way.
The Police - I'll be Watching you

That was, specifically, about a stalker. Many took it the (wrong)
romantic way without listening to the lyrics. It's a very dark song.

--
Steveski

Sam Plusnet

2022-07-01 21:32:55 UTC

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

:o)) Never mind, Steve - you're not to blame.
BTW, may I commend to the house this (IMO) wondrous cover version by
http://youtu.be/-yix4UqbYe4

You won't see me follow you back home because I am more careful than
that.
Sorry: just been revisiting Peter Sellers Hard Days Night and now
everything seems to have a double entendre.

I haven't listened to that in decades - but now you have mentioned it,
the sound track is playing in my head.

--
Sam Plusnet

Chris

2022-07-01 15:54:00 UTC

Renee.
(There! It needed saying.)
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same

Snigger

Sincerely Chris

Vicky

2022-06-30 08:25:03 UTC

On 30 Jun 2022 06:35:48 GMT, Sally Thompson

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

Oh dear. I am VERY behind: 45 episodes to be precise. I have a good idea of
what's been going on thanks to umra and Facebook, but wondering if I should
bother!

It is not all bad. I'm almost reconciled to Vince. He is good with
Elizabeth and one of his daughters, Beth, seems nice but the other is
horrible. Worse than Krait! In a different way though. A sort of
Krait/Hazel combi.

We do get some farming stuff but not enough. I like hearing that. We
should hear more about the Home Farm folk. Kirsty, Roy and Adil did a
copy of Ben, Beth, Steph last night. One Whitehall farce might be bad
luck but two looks like carelessness.

Alice and Chris are working out how to manage sharing Martha and went
a bit OTT in gushing at each otehr one night recently. I hope the
other shoe doesn't drop and it all goes pear-shaped again. Pear-shaped
shoes would be uncomfortable.

steve hague

2022-06-30 08:48:21 UTC

Post by Vicky
Alice and Chris are working out how to manage sharing Martha and went
a bit OTT in gushing at each otehr one night recently. I hope the
other shoe doesn't drop and it all goes pear-shaped again. Pear-shaped
shoes would be uncomfortable.

Unless you have pear shaped feet of course.
Steve

Sam Plusnet

2022-06-30 19:45:13 UTC

Post by steve hague

Unless you have pear shaped feet of course.

My feet are a pair.

(Your footage may vary)

krw

2022-06-30 09:04:14 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

I have yet to listen to this week but where (objectively) should the
blame fall:

Writer : Naylah Ahmed
Director : Peter Leslie Wild
Editor : Jeremy Howe

Are the individuals involved. Can anyone with a decent memory comment
on how long the first of these has been involved and if there have been
decent scripts in the past?

Number two on the list has been around for some time and I certainly
have doubts about number 3 - the story inconsistencies which have been
permitted in the Chris and Alice story and the complete retcon from
Brian over helping Chris have been outwith my acceptance levels.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

carolet

2022-07-01 11:01:02 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

I have yet to listen to this week but where (objectively) should the
Writer    :    Naylah Ahmed
Director    :    Peter Leslie Wild
Editor    :    Jeremy Howe
Are the individuals involved. Can anyone with a decent memory comment
on how long the first of these has been involved and if there have been
decent scripts in the past?
Number two on the list has been around for some time and I certainly
have doubts about number 3 - the story inconsistencies which have been
permitted in the Chris and Alice story and the complete retcon from
Brian over helping Chris have been outwith my acceptance levels.

Naylah Ahmed has been involved since 2017, she has been credited 4 or 5
times a year since then (except 2020 when she was named 10 times, but
most of those were in conjunction with another writer).

Peter Leslie Wild has been involved since May 2012. He was directing 3
or 4 weeks per year initially. It was up to 9 in 2017 and has been 5 to
10 since.

Jeremy Howe took charge in 2018, so the other two have both been around
longer than him.

I'm afraid that I don't notice any difference between the output of
different writers, or directors, so I can't help with the second part of
your question.

--
CaroleT

krw

2022-07-01 15:24:52 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

I have yet to listen to this week but where (objectively) should the
Writer    :    Naylah Ahmed
Director    :    Peter Leslie Wild
Editor    :    Jeremy Howe
Are the individuals involved. Can anyone with a decent memory comment
on how long the first of these has been involved and if there have
been decent scripts in the past?
Number two on the list has been around for some time and I certainly
have doubts about number 3 - the story inconsistencies which have been
permitted in the Chris and Alice story and the complete retcon from
Brian over helping Chris have been outwith my acceptance levels.

Naylah Ahmed has been involved since 2017, she has been credited 4 or 5
times a year since then (except 2020 when she was named 10 times, but
most of those were in conjunction with another writer).
Peter Leslie Wild has been involved since May 2012. He was directing 3
or 4 weeks per year initially. It was up to 9 in 2017 and has been 5 to
10 since.
Jeremy Howe took charge in 2018, so the other two have both been around
longer than him.
I'm afraid that I don't notice any difference between the output of
different writers, or directors, so I can't help with the second part of
your question.

Thank you for your stats Carole. I think the 2020 double credit for
writers were the monologues which had to be turned around rapidly and
they were each writing two episodes a week.

I feel that some of the problems stem from most of the week simply being
a two way exchange - take the party when the conversations were
exchanges and no real sense of it being a party with a multi-way
discussions - very much a covid like overhanging cloud acting as a
constraint. Heated exchanges tend not to work well on radio - where the
range and expressiveness of voices needs to be utilised to the maximum.
Add to that the difficulties in identification and it all becomes a
difficult listen.

For the moment I think I feel it is largely a writer problem with a
second helping of poor direction to tone down the raised voices. The
scene setting and storylines are so important on t'wireless and it feels
missing.

I think I need to start thinking about weeks that work well / badly and
see who was responsible.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Nick Odell

2022-07-01 15:23:41 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

I have yet to listen to this week but where (objectively) should the
Writer    :    Naylah Ahmed
Director    :    Peter Leslie Wild
Editor    :    Jeremy Howe
Are the individuals involved. Can anyone with a decent memory comment
on how long the first of these has been involved and if there have
been decent scripts in the past?
Number two on the list has been around for some time and I certainly
have doubts about number 3 - the story inconsistencies which have been
permitted in the Chris and Alice story and the complete retcon from
Brian over helping Chris have been outwith my acceptance levels.

Naylah Ahmed has been involved since 2017, she has been credited 4 or 5
times a year since then (except 2020 when she was named 10 times, but
most of those were in conjunction with another writer).
Peter Leslie Wild has been involved since May 2012. He was directing 3
or 4 weeks per year initially. It was up to 9 in 2017 and has been 5 to
10 since.
Jeremy Howe took charge in 2018, so the other two have both been around
longer than him.
I'm afraid that I don't notice any difference between the output of
different writers, or directors, so I can't help with the second part of
your question.

Thank you for your stats Carole. I think the 2020 double credit for
writers were the monologues which had to be turned around rapidly and
they were each writing two episodes a week.
I feel that some of the problems stem from most of the week simply being
a two way exchange - take the party when the conversations were
exchanges and no real sense of it being a party with a multi-way
discussions - very much a covid like overhanging cloud acting as a
constraint. Heated exchanges tend not to work well on radio - where the
range and expressiveness of voices needs to be utilised to the maximum.
Add to that the difficulties in identification and it all becomes a
difficult listen.
For the moment I think I feel it is largely a writer problem with a
second helping of poor direction to tone down the raised voices. The
scene setting and storylines are so important on t'wireless and it feels
missing.
I think I need to start thinking about weeks that work well / badly and
see who was responsible.

Ah. But do the writers just make up stuff and present it to the editor
or does the editor and/or the team meeting decide the storylines and
task the writers to realise it? Writers may be blamed for
not-terribly-good writing if that's the problem but the blame for
stories that make us switch off must belong elsewhere or collectively,
surely?

Nick

krw

2022-07-02 11:59:35 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

I have yet to listen to this week but where (objectively) should the
Writer    :    Naylah Ahmed
Director    :    Peter Leslie Wild
Editor    :    Jeremy Howe
Are the individuals involved. Can anyone with a decent memory comment
on how long the first of these has been involved and if there have
been decent scripts in the past?
Number two on the list has been around for some time and I certainly
have doubts about number 3 - the story inconsistencies which have been
permitted in the Chris and Alice story and the complete retcon from
Brian over helping Chris have been outwith my acceptance levels.

Naylah Ahmed has been involved since 2017, she has been credited 4 or 5
times a year since then (except 2020 when she was named 10 times, but
most of those were in conjunction with another writer).
Peter Leslie Wild has been involved since May 2012. He was directing 3
or 4 weeks per year initially. It was up to 9 in 2017 and has been 5 to
10 since.
Jeremy Howe took charge in 2018, so the other two have both been around
longer than him.
I'm afraid that I don't notice any difference between the output of
different writers, or directors, so I can't help with the second part of
your question.

Thank you for your stats Carole. I think the 2020 double credit for
writers were the monologues which had to be turned around rapidly and
they were each writing two episodes a week.
I feel that some of the problems stem from most of the week simply being
a two way exchange - take the party when the conversations were
exchanges and no real sense of it being a party with a multi-way
discussions - very much a covid like overhanging cloud acting as a
constraint. Heated exchanges tend not to work well on radio - where the
range and expressiveness of voices needs to be utilised to the maximum.
Add to that the difficulties in identification and it all becomes a
difficult listen.
For the moment I think I feel it is largely a writer problem with a
second helping of poor direction to tone down the raised voices. The
scene setting and storylines are so important on t'wireless and it feels
missing.
I think I need to start thinking about weeks that work well / badly and
see who was responsible.

Agreed. I would argue however that my prime concerns are that what
might have been reasonable stories about Steph the s*** and mocktail
consumption have been let down by a a script that demanded a lot of
shouting and only two-way interaction when a different script with more
control and a wider exchange might have been more interesting so I tend
to the view that the writer is primarily to blame; especially utilising
the "walking in on other people" twice in one week. In the case the
editor should have demanded a re-write - what was there to gain from Roy
observing it. It happened and Kirsty could have repeated her
embarrassment at seeing Adil's underwear whilst Roy could have an
undisturbed snooze.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Vicky

2022-07-02 12:36:46 UTC

Post by Vicky
On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Mike McMillan

Post by Mike McMillan
From Bad to *DIRE*

Oh dear. YUCK. And is it repetition or deviation? Two scenes where
someone walks in and gets the wrong idea. Another episode of
wrongness and depressing outcomes.

I have yet to listen to this week but where (objectively) should the
Writer    :    Naylah Ahmed
Director    :    Peter Leslie Wild
Editor    :    Jeremy Howe
Are the individuals involved. Can anyone with a decent memory comment
on how long the first of these has been involved and if there have
been decent scripts in the past?
Number two on the list has been around for some time and I certainly
have doubts about number 3 - the story inconsistencies which have been
permitted in the Chris and Alice story and the complete retcon from
Brian over helping Chris have been outwith my acceptance levels.

Naylah Ahmed has been involved since 2017, she has been credited 4 or 5
times a year since then (except 2020 when she was named 10 times, but
most of those were in conjunction with another writer).
Peter Leslie Wild has been involved since May 2012. He was directing 3
or 4 weeks per year initially. It was up to 9 in 2017 and has been 5 to
10 since.
Jeremy Howe took charge in 2018, so the other two have both been around
longer than him.
I'm afraid that I don't notice any difference between the output of
different writers, or directors, so I can't help with the second part of
your question.

Thank you for your stats Carole. I think the 2020 double credit for
writers were the monologues which had to be turned around rapidly and
they were each writing two episodes a week.
I feel that some of the problems stem from most of the week simply being
a two way exchange - take the party when the conversations were
exchanges and no real sense of it being a party with a multi-way
discussions - very much a covid like overhanging cloud acting as a
constraint. Heated exchanges tend not to work well on radio - where the
range and expressiveness of voices needs to be utilised to the maximum.
Add to that the difficulties in identification and it all becomes a
difficult listen.
For the moment I think I feel it is largely a writer problem with a
second helping of poor direction to tone down the raised voices. The
scene setting and storylines are so important on t'wireless and it feels
missing.
I think I need to start thinking about weeks that work well / badly and
see who was responsible.

Now I am wondering whether the repetition of the farce moment might be
the writer's idea of a hohoho moment? Archers SWs have a slip ona
banana peel view of what's funny.

krw

2022-07-03 12:24:00 UTC