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Nick Odell
2024-03-29 20:20:34 UTC
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So.. George hasn't been overcome by the personality transplant fairy,
has he?

I was willing to give the new Robert Snell the benefit of the doubt
and now that I have heard him a few times I reckon he's a jolly fine
Robert Snell and I am enjoying listening to him.

Jolene knows something, doesn't she?

And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.

Nick
J. P. Gilliver
2024-03-29 20:48:12 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
So.. George hasn't been overcome by the personality transplant fairy,
has he?
Indeed not. TNPoW. I would say childish, but he's old enough for it to
have adult consequences.
Post by Nick Odell
I was willing to give the new Robert Snell the benefit of the doubt
and now that I have heard him a few times I reckon he's a jolly fine
Robert Snell and I am enjoying listening to him.
Agreed.
Post by Nick Odell
Jolene knows something, doesn't she?
Wasn't there an episode fairly recently where someone from Jolene's Past
(as a singer/performer, I think) threatened her (I think they have
something to do with the people who assaulted Kenton when he went to try
to move them on from the car park). I thought at the time it was a
rather unlikely plot device.
[]
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

just because you are offended - doesn't mean you are right
Vicky
2024-03-29 21:32:48 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
So.. George hasn't been overcome by the personality transplant fairy,
has he?
I was willing to give the new Robert Snell the benefit of the doubt
and now that I have heard him a few times I reckon he's a jolly fine
Robert Snell and I am enjoying listening to him.
Jolene knows something, doesn't she?
They wouldn't bring him back anew just to off him via dog-owner-man?
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
Nick
Rosie Mitchell
2024-03-30 11:48:42 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.

What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.

I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.

Rosie
Kate B
2024-03-30 14:02:37 UTC
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Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.
One of my very favourite programmes too. I agree with you entirely about
the link from Dollar Wine to the Rheinmaidens. They do this sort of
thing all the time, it's so clever. I particularly appreciate that they
cover about a thousand years of music from all round the world,
explaining the musical structure of pieces as well as technicalities of
instruments and techniques. What makes it brilliant for me is that they
illuminate the harmonic complexity of a rock classic in exactly the same
way as they dissect a bit of Bach or Ravel, and they let their guests
talk to each other as musicians without requiring them to dumb anything
down - Cerys is always there with a succinct gloss when necessary.

I don't think I've ever heard any musical snobbery at all on it. There's
a lot of surprised discovery of new cross-cultural delights and very
rarely someone admits that they've Tried Very Hard to like something out
of their zone and failed, but I've never heard anyone assert that any
genre or piece was inherently better than another.
--
Kate B
Rosie Mitchell
2024-03-31 22:46:07 UTC
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Post by Kate B
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.
One of my very favourite programmes too. I agree with you entirely
about the link from Dollar Wine to the Rheinmaidens. They do this sort
of thing all the time, it's so clever. I particularly appreciate that
they cover about a thousand years of music from all round the world,
explaining the musical structure of pieces as well as technicalities
of instruments and techniques. What makes it brilliant for me is that
they illuminate the harmonic complexity of a rock classic in exactly
the same way as they dissect a bit of Bach or Ravel, and they let
their guests talk to each other as musicians without requiring them to
dumb anything down - Cerys is always there with a succinct gloss when
necessary.
Cerys has done really well since being in a bad place 20-odd years ago
from a surfeit of fags and booze and rock'n'roll. We have to have the
next two series without her, I wonder how that will go.

Today I spent listening through the whole first series and compiling the
selected tracks into a rather spiffy 40-track Spotify playlist,
beginning with a rap take on a country song (that I didn't know) and
ending, well, not quite ending with a blues-rock take on a country song,
Riders on the Storm, which I know and love. With a wee coda leading into
the following week's new series, Screenshots, which attempted to do the
same sort of thing with film, a subject I do know quite a bit about in
depth. (I heard somebody recently, I can't remember who, saying that
film and quantum mechanics emerged at about the same time in the late
19th century and it shows, film being /the/ quintessentially non-linear
art-form).

Anyway, I thought Screenshot was a stinker. Not least because I can't
stand Mark Kermode. I know he's not closely related to Frank Kermode the
distinguished literary critic, but he's never minded letting the world
think he was. He's also, to my mind, a right plonker. I had the vague
idea that the BBC thought so too and that Screenshot had sunk without
trace but apparently not, on inspection it seems to have had more
episodes than ATP¹. Maybe it went to podcast only, which seems to be the
fate of most of the interesting stuff these days. Or maybe I just wasn't
paying attention in the years when I wasn't really listening to TA, or
even R4 much.

Rosie

¹ Apropos of nothing, ATP used to stand for the BAE Advanced Turbo-Prop
aircraft, which used to operate the Aberdeen -> Sumburgh service back
when I went that way with a friend for Up Helly Aa 32 (gosh!) years
ago, and known to Shetlanders as Another Technical Problem. Which by
some devious sleight of mind is what I have taken to calling Add To
Playlist.
Nick Odell
2024-04-01 10:40:21 UTC
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On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 23:46:07 +0100, Rosie Mitchell
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Kate B
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.
One of my very favourite programmes too. I agree with you entirely
about the link from Dollar Wine to the Rheinmaidens. They do this sort
of thing all the time, it's so clever. I particularly appreciate that
they cover about a thousand years of music from all round the world,
explaining the musical structure of pieces as well as technicalities
of instruments and techniques. What makes it brilliant for me is that
they illuminate the harmonic complexity of a rock classic in exactly
the same way as they dissect a bit of Bach or Ravel, and they let
their guests talk to each other as musicians without requiring them to
dumb anything down - Cerys is always there with a succinct gloss when
necessary.
Cerys has done really well since being in a bad place 20-odd years ago
from a surfeit of fags and booze and rock'n'roll. We have to have the
next two series without her, I wonder how that will go.
Today I spent listening through the whole first series and compiling the
selected tracks into a rather spiffy 40-track Spotify playlist,
beginning with a rap take on a country song (that I didn't know) and
ending, well, not quite ending with a blues-rock take on a country song,
Riders on the Storm, which I know and love. With a wee coda leading into
the following week's new series, Screenshots, which attempted to do the
same sort of thing with film, a subject I do know quite a bit about in
depth. (I heard somebody recently, I can't remember who, saying that
film and quantum mechanics emerged at about the same time in the late
19th century and it shows, film being /the/ quintessentially non-linear
art-form).
Anyway, I thought Screenshot was a stinker. Not least because I can't
stand Mark Kermode. I know he's not closely related to Frank Kermode the
distinguished literary critic, but he's never minded letting the world
think he was. He's also, to my mind, a right plonker. I had the vague
idea that the BBC thought so too and that Screenshot had sunk without
trace but apparently not, on inspection it seems to have had more
episodes than ATP¹. Maybe it went to podcast only, which seems to be the
fate of most of the interesting stuff these days. Or maybe I just wasn't
paying attention in the years when I wasn't really listening to TA, or
even R4 much.
Rosie
¹ Apropos of nothing, ATP used to stand for the BAE Advanced Turbo-Prop
aircraft, which used to operate the Aberdeen -> Sumburgh service back
when I went that way with a friend for Up Helly Aa 32 (gosh!) years
ago, and known to Shetlanders as Another Technical Problem. Which by
some devious sleight of mind is what I have taken to calling Add To
Playlist.
The ATPP - what a super idea!

I don't do Spotify or other music streaming services so I wonder if
enough of the audio is available on YouTube? A publicly available
YouTube playlist might be A Good Thing.

I don't have time to play around with the concept right now - I'm just
popping back into Buenos Aires again (as one does) and I'm slightly
busy putting my house in order before I leave. (House in order? As
if!)

Nick
nick
2024-06-28 22:45:06 UTC
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Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.
Just to add to the Add to Playlist offshoot, I sat down to listen to TA
tonight but dropped off to sleep in the middle. I suppose that's better
than turning it off: sleep inducing has got to be better than blood-
pressure-raising.

But I woke up in time for Add to Playlist and really enjoyed the
recorders!
I just wanted to mention that medievalising Britney Spears "Oops I Did
It
Again" isn't so original: Richard Thompson did the same thing in 2006.

to start just before the twiddly
bits
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU if you want to hear the whole track.

Nick
john ashby
2024-06-29 06:36:10 UTC
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Post by nick
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.
Just to add to the Add to Playlist offshoot, I sat down to listen to TA
tonight but dropped off to sleep in the middle. I suppose that's better
than turning it off: sleep inducing has got to be better than blood-
pressure-raising.
But I woke up in time for Add to Playlist and really enjoyed the
recorders!
I just wanted to mention that medievalising Britney Spears "Oops I Did
It
Again" isn't so original: Richard Thompson did the same thing in 2006.
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU to start just before the twiddly
bits
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU if you want to hear the whole track.
Nick
One of my favourite recorder pieces is:



(I remembered it as recorders and percussion but it also includes viols
and harpsichord)

While I've got you here, Nick, and to swerve back to TA and the exit of
Bartleby, are luthiers still using animal glue or are there modern
substitutes?

john
Nick Odell
2024-06-29 23:55:56 UTC
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Post by john ashby
Post by nick
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Nick Odell
And just to swerve off-topic: that was a cracking edition of Add to
Playlist which followed TA. I'd heartily recommend it.
I love Add To Playlist. It's one of the diminishing number of radio
proggies I look forward to hearing at the broadcast time instead of
being content to catch up on BBC Sounds (I now switch off In Our Time
when it comes on because I prefer the extended podcast.
What I felt hesitant about saying before about ATP for fear of the scorn
of musicalrats is that I enjoy the way it talks about aspects the music
in a way that I can understand but without being condescending, and
without a trace of musical snobbery (except there was just a tad of that
last night from one of the guests that raised mu hackles a little). It's
like the spirit of Late Junction on R3 as it was in the beginning before
the R3PTB ran it down – anything can happen and often does.
I do agree this week's episode was cracking but I thought last week's
was an absolute belter, including as it did that extraordinary genovese
sailors' song, Ella Fitzgerald going into orbit, followed by some
Trinidadian Soca that provided the earworm for the whole week to come
(there's a live video of Colin Lucas performing Dollar Wine on YouTube
and it's worth a look for the sheer joi de vivre). Linking Dollar Wine
to Wagner's Rhinemaidens this week was a piece of genius on Cerys's
part.
Just to add to the Add to Playlist offshoot, I sat down to listen to TA
tonight but dropped off to sleep in the middle. I suppose that's better
than turning it off: sleep inducing has got to be better than blood-
pressure-raising.
But I woke up in time for Add to Playlist and really enjoyed the
recorders!
I just wanted to mention that medievalising Britney Spears "Oops I Did
It
Again" isn't so original: Richard Thompson did the same thing in 2006.
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU to start just before the twiddly
bits
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU if you want to hear the whole track.
Nick
http://youtu.be/D9XadihIPYg
(I remembered it as recorders and percussion but it also includes viols
and harpsichord)
Thank you for that - it's lovely isn't it?

My favourite piece from that concert is Belshazzar's Feast. I was
still quite young at the time and as my father used to take me to all
sorts of concerts, I'm not sure whether I actually saw that one or
whether we just had the record and the rest is False Memory Syndrome
but I can still picture the orchestra preparing, the great choir
filing in and taking up their positions and then - the great Sir
William Walton himself mounting the podium...!
Post by john ashby
While I've got you here, Nick, and to swerve back to TA and the exit of
Bartleby, are luthiers still using animal glue or are there modern
substitutes?
I've been out of the loop for quite a number of years so I might not
have heard of any recent developments but animal glue is still the
best thing for making and mending classical string instruments as far
as I know. There are lots of extraordinarily good modern adhesives
around and they are truly excellent for use in instruments of a more
modern heritage but classical strings are designed to be taken apart
and put back together in the process of repair many times over their
lifetime and hide glue is IMO unbeatable for that.

Sorry to be a glue-bore but another lovely thing about hide glue is
that it is what we call "self-clamping." You don't have to apply a lot
of pressure to a joint: just make sure it is held in place and, as the
glue dries, it draws the pieces of wood closer together. For example,
the common f-hole crack. You just need a little clamp to gently line
the pieces vertically and a small wedge to control them laterally and
the glue does all the rest!

Nick
J. P. Gilliver
2024-06-30 00:33:46 UTC
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In message <***@4ax.com> at Sun, 30 Jun
2024 00:55:56, Nick Odell <***@yahoo.ca> writes
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Post by Nick Odell
My favourite piece from that concert is Belshazzar's Feast. I was
still quite young at the time and as my father used to take me to all
sorts of concerts, I'm not sure whether I actually saw that one or
whether we just had the record and the rest is False Memory Syndrome
but I can still picture the orchestra preparing, the great choir
filing in and taking up their positions and then - the great Sir
William Walton himself mounting the podium...!
[]
I rather like finding recordings (usually on YouTube) of composers
conducting or playing their own works, however poor the audio quality.
Such as Elgar opening EMI recording studios with PCM1 (the studios which
were later renamed after the road they are on), various Kreisler pieces,
Waldteufel conducting Waldteufel (yes, that piece - poor chap, really
only known for the one piece!), and Widor playing his organ piece (which
he does _not_ take at breakneck speed). I don't think I've actually
_attended_ anything like Walton though! (Nearest I can think of is Nana
at Newcastle City Hall - which despite the name is quite a small venue -
in the 1970s; it's only recently that I've realised that was quite early
in her career.) I guess there's an element of luck, in that if that
close to its composition, you don't know it's going to be a big hit -
though I guess you knew Sir William was a big noise.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Easy reading is damned hard writing. -Nathaniel Hawthorne, writer (1804-1864)
Clive Arthur
2024-06-29 14:28:29 UTC
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On 28/06/2024 23:45, nick wrote:

<snip>
Post by nick
But I woke up in time for Add to Playlist and really enjoyed the
recorders!
I just wanted to mention that medievalising Britney Spears "Oops I Did
It
Again" isn't so original: Richard Thompson did the same thing in 2006.
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU to start just before the twiddly
bits
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU if you want to hear the whole track.
Nick
Weird Al is better...


--
Cheers
Clive
Nick Odell
2024-06-29 23:56:27 UTC
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On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:28:29 +0100, Clive Arthur
Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>
Post by nick
But I woke up in time for Add to Playlist and really enjoyed the
recorders!
I just wanted to mention that medievalising Britney Spears "Oops I Did
It
Again" isn't so original: Richard Thompson did the same thing in 2006.
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU to start just before the twiddly
bits
http://youtu.be/V4WGsMplGxU if you want to hear the whole track.
Nick
Weird Al is better...
http://youtu.be/iAWG0NJ0wK8
<groan!>

N.
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