Alice

Post by john ashby
Telling my POI about Friday's episode this morning and explainng it was
an attempt at comedy to make up for the grimness of Alice's story
Based on what we heard on Wednesday evening Alice did not succumb to the
demon drink, she bought a bottle of vodka, opened it and what we heard
was a statement that she was in control by pouring the booze away. This
would account for how well she felt the following morning. However Brian
(or Kate or Lilian) will find the empty bottle in Alice's recycling bin
with hilarious consequences...
Or
She did fall off the wagon and when it is discovered her loving family
arrange for her to go back into rehab. Unfortunately they choose the
same facility where Harry is currently drying out with hilarious
consequences...
john

I doubt the first and fear the second is the one. And Chris, urged by
Susan, will try to take Martha away for her safety, but spoilers in
the weeks ahead suggest some tragedy. And posters on fb suggest Alice
got pregnant with the unwise socks-off,

I do hope the tragedy is neither Martha nor Alice hurt and neither
dying as the heartbreak is apparently for Chris. The omens are bad. I
just hope they are, as often happens, much more dramatic than real.
But they sounded horribly specific.

Nick Odell

2024-04-28 17:42:32 UTC

Post by Vicky

I doubt the first and fear the second is the one. And Chris, urged by
Susan, will try to take Martha away for her safety, but spoilers in
the weeks ahead suggest some tragedy. And posters on fb suggest Alice
got pregnant with the unwise socks-off,
I do hope the tragedy is neither Martha nor Alice hurt and neither
dying as the heartbreak is apparently for Chris. The omens are bad. I
just hope they are, as often happens, much more dramatic than real.
But they sounded horribly specific.

Bit of a thread-merge but somebody (he says, looking at anybody but
he) ought to take a good close look at the work certain characters'
best friends are getting away from TA. When thingummyjig started
playing a role in The Office her Archers hours went down and it should
have been obvious from the lush roles Tamsin Greig was getting that
she wouldn't have much time left for Debbie. If the alter ego of
either Martha or Alice is starting a long season on Broadway or even a
part in the next series of Broadchurch then their character probably
doesn't have that long to live.

Nick

Chris

2024-04-28 13:16:45 UTC

Good thinking, John. I hadn’t gone down the ‘good’ route

Mrs McT

Pete W

2024-04-29 09:28:08 UTC

I hope/ suspect the former. Admittedly I've no experience of
alcoholism but if she "fell off the wagon" would she be up early the
following morning, going into the stables, preparing everything
successfully for an inspection and showing no sign she'd "fallen off
the wagon" to Lilian who had an alcoholic for a father. I know it's
the Archers but...
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Pete.

Kosmo

2024-04-29 10:21:37 UTC

Post by Pete W

Not heard it yet - but it may have been just the one this time - but
next time?

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Pete W

2024-04-29 11:01:37 UTC

Post by Pete W

Not heard it yet - but it may have been just the one this time - but
next time?

As i said I've no experience of alcoholism and it is The Archers, but
could a recovering alcoholic who suddenly falls off the wagon, limit
themselves to just one drink, not one bottle?
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Pete.

Kosmo

2024-04-29 11:45:01 UTC

Not heard it yet - but it may have been just the one this time - but
next time?

As i said I've no experience of alcoholism and it is The Archers, but
could a recovering alcoholic who suddenly falls off the wagon, limit
themselves to just one drink, not one bottle?
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Pete.

Some do. But the next time it is two and so on.

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J. P. Gilliver

2024-04-29 11:01:44 UTC

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Post by Pete W
I hope/ suspect the former. Admittedly I've no experience of
alcoholism but if she "fell off the wagon" would she be up early the
following morning, going into the stables, preparing everything
successfully for an inspection and showing no sign she'd "fallen off
the wagon" to Lilian who had an alcoholic for a father. I know it's
the Archers but...
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Pete.

Not heard it yet - but it may have been just the one this time - but
next time?

I too have no - well, minimal - experience of it, but can an alcoholic
have "just the one"? It's always been portrayed in drama as "just one"
leads to a full relapse, but I've often wondered if that actually _is_
the case.

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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Worst programme ever made? I was in hospital once having a knee operation and I
watched a whole episode of "EastEnders". Ugh! I suppose it's true to life. But
so is diarrhoea - and I don't want to see that on television. - Patrick Moore,
in Radio Times 12-18 May 2007.

Kosmo

2024-04-29 11:48:41 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]

Not heard it yet - but it may have been just the one this time - but
next time?

https://www.verywellmind.com/can-alcoholics-learn-to-drink-moderately-67719

It is possible - but Alice survived, until covid, without being
constantly craving alcohol - at least as far as we can tell.

Without other distractions it took over. Now I don't know - but those
who crave alcohol cannot have the "one drink" - others who do not have
that craving it seems might be able to manage an odd drink. However the
guidance is usually none at all - because no-one knows how to control it.

Unless people know different.

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https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Serena Blanchflower

2024-04-29 15:35:45 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]

Not heard it yet - but it may have been just the one this time - but
next time?

Her drinking was pretty out of control well before Covid. We didn't see
the full extent of it until then but we'd heard of a fair few occasions
when she had clearly been drinking to excess, and occasions when she was
badly hung-over as a result.

Post by Kosmo
Without other distractions it took over. Now I don't know - but those
who crave alcohol cannot have the "one drink" - others who do not have
that craving it seems might be able to manage an odd drink. However the
guidance is usually none at all - because no-one knows how to control it.
Unless people know different.

I think it's extremely unlikely that she only had "one drink" the other
night. It was probably the entire bottle. Of course, it's possible
that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it may not have been a whole litre.

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Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened. (Dr Seuss)

Kosmo

2024-04-29 15:46:57 UTC

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it may
not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.

I concur that she may have had a problem pre-covid - but she usually had
it under control or it would have been regularly discussed in the shop
down the years.

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https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

J. P. Gilliver

2024-04-29 15:53:21 UTC

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.
I concur that she may have had a problem pre-covid - but she usually
had it under control or it would have been regularly discussed in the
shop down the years.

I got the impression it was something somewhat stronger than wine.

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John Armstrong

2024-04-30 05:58:04 UTC

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.
I concur that she may have had a problem pre-covid - but she usually
had it under control or it would have been regularly discussed in the
shop down the years.

I got the impression it was something somewhat stronger than wine.

Yes, so did I, although (spoiler alert) Monday's episode
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Pete W

2024-04-30 10:27:12 UTC

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 06:58:04 +0100, John Armstrong

Post by John Armstrong

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.
I concur that she may have had a problem pre-covid - but she usually
had it under control or it would have been regularly discussed in the
shop down the years.

I got the impression it was something somewhat stronger than wine.

Yes, so did I, although (spoiler alert) Monday's episode
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Yes! Sadly the editor and story planners couldn't resist it :(
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Pete.

Chris

2024-05-01 13:15:38 UTC

Post by Pete W
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 06:58:04 +0100, John Armstrong

Post by John Armstrong

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.
I concur that she may have had a problem pre-covid - but she usually
had it under control or it would have been regularly discussed in the
shop down the years.

I got the impression it was something somewhat stronger than wine.

Yes, so did I, although (spoiler alert) Monday's episode
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Yes! Sadly the editor and story planners couldn't resist it :(
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Pete.

Or to make us think it was wine.

Mrs McT who knows nuffin never being a drinker. It disliked me before I
could dislike it.

Mrs McT

Serena Blanchflower

2024-04-29 15:59:10 UTC

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.

When I looked, on Tesco, just now, vodka seems to be largely sold in
70cl bottles, with some 1L bottles. Along with a few 35cl half bottles.

Post by Kosmo
I concur that she may have had a problem pre-covid - but she usually had
it under control or it would have been regularly discussed in the shop
down the years.

I think there have been a good few references over the years about Alice
getting rat-arsed. I forget the details, but I remember she behaved
appallingly at Nic's funeral and had to make a good few grovelling
apologies to a number of people afterwards.

There had been enough occasions, both public and private, that it didn't
come as any great surprise to anyone when her final descent into
explicit alcoholism occurred. As often happens, a lot of her drinking
had been enabled, and hushed up, by Chris making excuses for her.

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Best wishes, Serena
When you are preoccupied and distracted in meeting let wayward and
disturbing thoughts give way quietly to your awareness of God's presence
among us and in the world. (Quaker Advices and Queries #12)

nick

2024-04-29 19:39:38 UTC

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.

When I looked, on Tesco, just now, vodka seems to be largely sold in
70cl bottles, with some 1L bottles. Along with a few 35cl half bottles.

Whatever happened to Tesco and Asda 1.5l bottles of vodka?

I don't normally drink vodka but since Liliana bought me a gin-making
kit[1] I have been buying my vodka in 1.5l bottles in order to produce
70cl bottles of custom gin but last time I looked (March this year) the
1.5l bottles were no longer on the shelves.

The Tesco one was better than Asda - it was a proper grain spirit.

Nick
[1]Which is a bit of a misnomer really as it's more like a
vodka-flavouring kit

John Armstrong

2024-04-30 06:03:02 UTC

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Of course, it's possible that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it
may not have been a whole litre.

Your bottles must be larger than mine - I only get 750ml in my wine bottles.

When I looked, on Tesco, just now, vodka seems to be largely sold in
70cl bottles, with some 1L bottles. Along with a few 35cl half bottles.

Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.

Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

J. P. Gilliver

2024-04-30 08:32:46 UTC

In message <***@mid.individual.net> at Tue, 30 Apr 2024
07:03:02, John Armstrong <***@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
[]

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl. Everyone else (apart from Imperial/US diehards, of course)
uses l or ml (for household type quantities, anyway, though I gather
[road] tankers still use hectolitres).

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Jim Easterbrook

2024-04-30 08:49:05 UTC

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl.

Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.

I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.

Car engines are still sized in cc.

Air pressure is in hPa.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

john ashby

2024-04-30 12:00:12 UTC

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl.

Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.
I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.
Car engines are still sized in cc.
Air pressure is in hPa.

Apropos of a question I posed to Rosie a few days ago this is proof of
propagation problems at eternal-september since I have not received
JPG's post four and a bit hours after he posted it but do have Jim's
response. It's odd because they are both coming from individual.net.

john

john ashby

2024-04-30 12:02:30 UTC

Post by john ashby

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl.

Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.
I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.
Car engines are still sized in cc.
Air pressure is in hPa.

Scrub that, JPG's post wasn't properly sorted in the thread. (FSVO
properly, of course)

john

Joe Kerr

2024-04-30 12:06:17 UTC

Post by john ashby

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl.

Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.
I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.
Car engines are still sized in cc.
Air pressure is in hPa.

Interesting! I have had both posts for at least a couple of hours on
eternal-september. I can't remember exactly when I looked.

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Ric

J. P. Gilliver

2024-04-30 19:57:41 UTC

In message <***@mid.individual.net> at Tue, 30 Apr 2024
08:49:05, Jim Easterbrook <***@jim-easterbrook.me.uk> writes
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Post by Jim Easterbrook
Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.

Yes. CGS held some sway too, before mks.

Post by Jim Easterbrook
I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.
Car engines are still sized in cc.

But at least they're the _same_ as ml. (And these days, they tend to be
in l.) Apart from US vintage muscle cars, where they still use cubic
inches.

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Air pressure is in hPa.

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Sam Plusnet

2024-05-01 01:05:14 UTC

Post by J. P. Gilliver
[]

Post by Jim Easterbrook
Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.

Yes. CGS held some sway too, before mks.

Ha! We used cgs for 'O' levels, mks for 'A' levels and SI thereafter.
We wuz young and flexible back then.

Pre and post Internet education must be fundamentally different beasts.
Some parents paid out large sums to buy Encyclopedias for their kids.
Now...

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Sam Plusnet

Rosie Mitchell

2024-05-01 16:23:15 UTC

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl.

Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.
I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.
Car engines are still sized in cc.
Air pressure is in hPa.

In Poland one buys one's sliced-to-order kiełbasa by the deka (1 dkg = 100mg).

Rosie

J. P. Gilliver

2024-05-01 18:33:43 UTC

Post by John Armstrong
Surely - largely sold in 70cl bottles, very largely in litre bottles,
and tinily in miniatures. Add other sizes according to taste.
Wine is generally sold in 75cl bottles.

And, that industry is about the only one that still (or, AFAIK, ever)
uses/used cl.

Historical reasons I suppose. The SI system is really quite recent.
I think perfume is also sold in cl, but I wouldn't know about such things.
Car engines are still sized in cc.
Air pressure is in hPa.

In Poland one buys one's sliced-to-order kie0

Er - 100g I think, unless kielbasa (I've tried to use the crossed l, but
don't know if it's come through) is vastly more expensive there than
here!

Rosie

And when on holiday in Italy in the '70s (maybe still), various
foodstuffs were by the etto; took me a while to work out that that was a
hectogram(me); used very similar to "a quarter" in England (especially
for sweets for some reason), and similarly non-obvious what it's a
quarter _of_. (100g is very close to a quarter; 4 oz. is actually
113.398g, but near enough that it's a similar handy weight.)

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Clive Arthur

2024-05-01 20:55:26 UTC

<snip>

Post by Rosie Mitchell
In Poland one buys one's sliced-to-order kiełbasa by the deka (1 dkg = 100mg).

Er - 100g I think, unless kielbasa (I've tried to use the crossed l, but
don't know if it's come through) is vastly more expensive there than here!

A decagramme (dag) would be 10g. Italians use 'etto', (hectogramme or
100g) for things like ham and cheese. Greeks use 'tetarto' for (quarter
kilo) or 250g.

Almost application-specific units, like imperial used to be before it
was rationalised.

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Cheers
Clive

Nick Odell

2024-05-02 19:57:32 UTC

On Wed, 1 May 2024 21:55:26 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

In Poland one buys one's sliced-to-order kie?basa by the deka (1 dkg = 100mg).

Er - 100g I think, unless kielbasa (I've tried to use the crossed l, but
don't know if it's come through) is vastly more expensive there than here!

A decagramme (dag) would be 10g. Italians use 'etto', (hectogramme or
100g) for things like ham and cheese. Greeks use 'tetarto' for (quarter
kilo) or 250g.
Almost application-specific units, like imperial used to be before it
was rationalised.

Very soon, this is going to turn into one of those "What have the
Romans ever done for us?" threads, isn't it?

Nick

Sam Plusnet

2024-05-03 18:11:58 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Wed, 1 May 2024 21:55:26 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

In Poland one buys one's sliced-to-order kie?basa by the deka (1 dkg = 100mg).

Er - 100g I think, unless kielbasa (I've tried to use the crossed l, but
don't know if it's come through) is vastly more expensive there than here!

A decagramme (dag) would be 10g. Italians use 'etto', (hectogramme or
100g) for things like ham and cheese. Greeks use 'tetarto' for (quarter
kilo) or 250g.
Almost application-specific units, like imperial used to be before it
was rationalised.

Very soon, this is going to turn into one of those "What have the
Romans ever done for us?" threads, isn't it?

Dormice.

Oh! And rabbits.

(This is a food-based thread isn't it?)

--
Sam Plusnet

Chris J Dixon

2024-04-29 17:35:44 UTC

Post by Serena Blanchflower
I think it's extremely unlikely that she only had "one drink" the other
night. It was probably the entire bottle. Of course, it's possible
that she'd only bought a half bottle, so it may not have been a whole litre.

My first landlady, back in the late 60s, had binges, whilst her
husband worked nights as a sub on one of the Manchester papers.

She discovered that an empty half bottle of gin fitted
comfortably inside an antique cheese bell. She tried to stick to
beer, as she didn't like it.

On my second night at college, she introduced me to whisky and
lemonade, for the first and last time. I was not well the
following day. :-(

She was attending AA, but clearly had work to do.

Chris

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Plant amazing Acers.

Serena Blanchflower

2024-04-29 12:03:29 UTC