Bad Taste Awards 2025

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on Rannoch
Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will no be held
on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?

EMNTWUBTMs

Jenny M Benson

2025-01-01 16:34:06 UTC

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

:-)

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

John Armstrong

2025-01-02 07:55:59 UTC

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a very
common misconception.

"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".

"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw! Come
and get yer tea!"

"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

BrritSki

2025-01-02 09:24:38 UTC

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on
Rannoch Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will
no be held on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously
notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a very
common misconception.
"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".
"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw! Come
and get yer tea!"
"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

Thankyou. I didn't know, but wanted the emphasise the Scottishness of my
post.

I stand corrected, but seem to have succeeded in W'ing Up the BTM :)

John Armstrong

2025-01-03 09:07:18 UTC

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on
Rannoch Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will
no be held on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously
notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a
very common misconception.
"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".
"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw!
Come and get yer tea!"
"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

Thankyou. I didn't know, but wanted the emphasise the Scottishness of my
post.
I stand corrected, but seem to have succeeded in W'ing Up the BTM :)

:-) Always a hazard, especially at this time of the year.

I'm reminded of the Scottish meenister waxing eloquent to his defaulting
congregation from his pulpit one Sunday.

"And when ye dee, ye'll finish up in the hot place. And ye'll say, 'But
Lord, Lord, we didnae ken.' And the Lord will reply, in his infinite
goodness and mercy, 'Weel, ye ken noo!' "

Nick Odell

2025-01-03 10:02:05 UTC

On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:07:18 +0000, John Armstrong

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on
Rannoch Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will
no be held on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously
notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a
very common misconception.
"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".
"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw!
Come and get yer tea!"
"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

Thankyou. I didn't know, but wanted the emphasise the Scottishness of my
post.
I stand corrected, but seem to have succeeded in W'ing Up the BTM :)

:-) Always a hazard, especially at this time of the year.
I'm reminded of the Scottish meenister waxing eloquent to his defaulting
congregation from his pulpit one Sunday.
"And when ye dee, ye'll finish up in the hot place. And ye'll say, 'But
Lord, Lord, we didnae ken.' And the Lord will reply, in his infinite
goodness and mercy, 'Weel, ye ken noo!' "

Ye Ken Noo? Was that the Scottish version of "Round The Horne"?

IGMC
Nick

Jenny M Benson

2025-01-03 11:08:22 UTC

Post by Nick Odell

Post by John Armstrong
I'm reminded of the Scottish meenister waxing eloquent to his defaulting
congregation from his pulpit one Sunday.
"And when ye dee, ye'll finish up in the hot place. And ye'll say, 'But
Lord, Lord, we didnae ken.' And the Lord will reply, in his infinite
goodness and mercy, 'Weel, ye ken noo!' "

Ye Ken Noo? Was that the Scottish version of "Round The Horne"?

Brilliant!

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

John Armstrong

2025-01-03 12:41:21 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:07:18 +0000, John Armstrong

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on
Rannoch Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will
no be held on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously
notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a
very common misconception.
"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".
"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw!
Come and get yer tea!"
"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

Thankyou. I didn't know, but wanted the emphasise the Scottishness of my
post.
I stand corrected, but seem to have succeeded in W'ing Up the BTM :)

:-) Always a hazard, especially at this time of the year.
I'm reminded of the Scottish meenister waxing eloquent to his defaulting
congregation from his pulpit one Sunday.
"And when ye dee, ye'll finish up in the hot place. And ye'll say, 'But
Lord, Lord, we didnae ken.' And the Lord will reply, in his infinite
goodness and mercy, 'Weel, ye ken noo!' "

Ye Ken Noo? Was that the Scottish version of "Round The Horne"?
IGMC
Nick

:-) Aye, GYK. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200.

Mike McMillan

2025-01-03 16:32:17 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:07:18 +0000, John Armstrong

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on
Rannoch Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will
no be held on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously
notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a
very common misconception.
"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".
"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw!
Come and get yer tea!"
"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

Thankyou. I didn't know, but wanted the emphasise the Scottishness of my
post.
I stand corrected, but seem to have succeeded in W'ing Up the BTM :)

:-) Always a hazard, especially at this time of the year.
I'm reminded of the Scottish meenister waxing eloquent to his defaulting
congregation from his pulpit one Sunday.
"And when ye dee, ye'll finish up in the hot place. And ye'll say, 'But
Lord, Lord, we didnae ken.' And the Lord will reply, in his infinite
goodness and mercy, 'Weel, ye ken noo!' "

Ye Ken Noo? Was that the Scottish version of "Round The Horne"?
IGMC
Nick

:-) Aye, GYK. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200.

Ahhh …. you thought I wouldn’t notice didn’t you?! £2600 rent due as you
landed on my Mayfair Hotel!

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Sam Plusnet

2025-01-03 17:54:25 UTC

Post by Nick Odell
On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 09:07:18 +0000, John Armstrong

Post by Rosie Mitchell
Sadly I have to report that, owning to inclement conditions on
Rannoch Moor, this year's ceremony is postponed for a week and will
no be held on Thursday, 9 January. Time and place as previously
notified.
Wishing a happy and prosperous New Year to all Umrats, wherever they may be.

If it'll no be held on 9th Jan, when will it be held the noo ?
EMNTWUBTMs

I do hope that Englishrats will not take amiss this correction to a
very common misconception.
"The noo" is not Scottish speak for "now". One would say simply "noo".
"The noo" means "very soon" "in a minute" "imminently". As in "Paw!
Come and get yer tea!"
"Aye, I'll be there the noo!"

Thankyou. I didn't know, but wanted the emphasise the Scottishness of my
post.
I stand corrected, but seem to have succeeded in W'ing Up the BTM :)

:-) Always a hazard, especially at this time of the year.
I'm reminded of the Scottish meenister waxing eloquent to his defaulting
congregation from his pulpit one Sunday.
"And when ye dee, ye'll finish up in the hot place. And ye'll say, 'But
Lord, Lord, we didnae ken.' And the Lord will reply, in his infinite
goodness and mercy, 'Weel, ye ken noo!' "

Ye Ken Noo? Was that the Scottish version of "Round The Horne"?
IGMC
Nick

:-) Aye, GYK. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200.

ITYM Winter Fuel Payment.

--
Sam Plusnet

Rosie Mitchell

2025-01-09 13:50:47 UTC

Owing to the severe freezing conditions on Rannoch Moor (and an
engagement I am unable to avoid this evening) I regret that the Bad
Taste Awards are once again postponed and will now be held on Saturday
11 January at 7pm.

Like the Coop Live venue in Manchester, I guarantee that it will be a
right gradely experience when the creases have been ironed out. I
suppose it would have been easier to hold it on Lakey Hill but Rannoch
Moor is so much grander don't you think?

Rosie

john ashby

2025-01-09 14:27:32 UTC

Post by Rosie Mitchell

Owing to the severe freezing conditions on Rannoch Moor (and an
engagement I am unable to avoid this evening) I regret that the Bad
Taste Awards are once again postponed and will now be held on Saturday
11 January at 7pm.
Like the Coop Live venue in Manchester, I guarantee that it will be a
right gradely experience when the creases have been ironed out. I
suppose it would have been easier to hold it on Lakey Hill but Rannoch
Moor is so much grander don't you think?
Rosie

Had I not relinquished the reins (about which I do not complain) we
could have had the ceremony this morning to coincide with The High in
Oxford being blocked by tractors outside the Examination Schools where
an agriculture minister was due to address the Oxford Farming Conference
(and there was a time when wild horses wouldn't have kept Biryani from
being there). Mine dew, the noise of honking tractor horns protesting
about the "Death Tax" (also known as the Inheritance Tax all the rest of
us are subject to) might have disrupted the proceedings.

It strikes me that someone more knowledgeable then me (and I think I'm
looking at KRW) could make a decent presentation at the Academic Archers
conference on the impact of IHT for the Ambridge farms.

john

Kosmo

2025-01-09 14:51:49 UTC

Post by john ashby
It strikes me that someone more knowledgeable then me (and I think I'm
looking at KRW) could make a decent presentation at the Academic Archers
conference on the impact of IHT for the Ambridge farms.

i am a little out of touch with current thinking.

Keri seems to think that Bodge Farm is a partnership involving Tony /
Pat / Tom / Helen and therefore whatever it is valued at 50% has already
been passed onto the younger generation and so only 50% is taxable on
the eventual demise of Pat'n'Tony and will therefore probably fall below
the threshold. Without knowing how the partnership was set up I cannot
comment BUI it was my understanding that the ownership of the land
remained with Pat'n'Tony and the partnership only related to the running
of the farm (you can legally distinguish the two). And there is the
added complication of Ambridge Organics brand name which name was used
to overcome ecoli which damaged the Bodge Farm name.

Brookfield is another tangled web. Here the complication is the
Philwill. Philwill gave equal shares to all 4 children in the event of
Brookfield being "sold". So does a legal company exist with 4 golden
shares? Or is it merely a trust of some description? In the Philwill
how does it envisage events on the death of (presumably) David - is that
a trigger to give the assigned value of the shares to the siblings?
Where does Roof sit in all of this? Has David made a will? What if a
sibling pre-deceases David - Kenton and Shula are older so if they drop
dead or get run over by a bus in Sunderland does that golden "share"
expire? Brookfield is large and valuable enough to be subject to IHT
but the legal position is unknown.

Home Farm is more complex - there were originally 13 shares held (I
think) as follows:
Biriyani: 3
ffffffer: 3
Adam: 2
Debbie: 2
Kate: 1
Alice: 1
Rugrat: 1

What happened on ffffffer's passing we have not been told (or at least
if we were I missed it) but I have to assume that they reverted to
Biriyani or potentially have been split equally between Adam / Debbie /
Kate / Alice - and possibly Rugrat as well {I think she would have
included him - others may have different views}.

The complication is that at one point in the farrago over chemicals
(which I never believed for one instant as he was never short of the
readies when he arrived) Biriyani made it clear that the land ownership
stayed with him but that it would be transferred later but there has
never been reference to that happening and it is clear that there are
sweetheart deals with Kate over land and Chris over at least one of the
cottages. Home Farm is way above the taxable limits and will struggle
to make the IHT payments.

All of which will be boring on air because accountancy is boring.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

lfs

2025-01-09 15:48:54 UTC

Post by Kosmo

i am a little out of touch with current thinking.
Keri seems to think that Bodge Farm is a partnership involving Tony /
Pat / Tom / Helen and therefore whatever it is valued at 50% has already
been passed onto the younger generation and so only 50% is taxable on
the eventual demise of Pat'n'Tony and will therefore probably fall below
the threshold. Without knowing how the partnership was set up I cannot
comment BUI it was my understanding that the ownership of the land
remained with Pat'n'Tony and the partnership only related to the running
of the farm (you can legally distinguish the two). And there is the
added complication of Ambridge Organics brand name which name was used
to overcome ecoli which damaged the Bodge Farm name.
Brookfield is another tangled web. Here the complication is the
Philwill. Philwill gave equal shares to all 4 children in the event of
Brookfield being "sold". So does a legal company exist with 4 golden
shares? Or is it merely a trust of some description? In the Philwill
how does it envisage events on the death of (presumably) David - is that
a trigger to give the assigned value of the shares to the siblings?
Where does Roof sit in all of this? Has David made a will? What if a
sibling pre-deceases David - Kenton and Shula are older so if they drop
dead or get run over by a bus in Sunderland does that golden "share"
expire? Brookfield is large and valuable enough to be subject to IHT
but the legal position is unknown.
Home Farm is more complex - there were originally 13 shares held (I
Biriyani: 3
ffffffer: 3
Adam: 2
Debbie: 2
Kate: 1
Alice: 1
Rugrat: 1
What happened on ffffffer's passing we have not been told (or at least
if we were I missed it) but I have to assume that they reverted to
Biriyani or potentially have been split equally between Adam / Debbie /
Kate / Alice - and possibly Rugrat as well {I think she would have
included him - others may have different views}.
The complication is that at one point in the farrago over chemicals
(which I never believed for one instant as he was never short of the
readies when he arrived) Biriyani made it clear that the land ownership
stayed with him but that it would be transferred later but there has
never been reference to that happening and it is clear that there are
sweetheart deals with Kate over land and Chris over at least one of the
cottages. Home Farm is way above the taxable limits and will struggle
to make the IHT payments.

An excellent summary of the situations as far as we can tell!

Post by Kosmo
All of which will be boring on air because accountancy is boring.

Some of it is. But its history and its implications for society
certainly aren't.

Joe Kerr

2025-01-09 22:32:36 UTC

Post by Kosmo
All of which will be boring on air because accountancy is boring.

If you think accountancy is boring you should try tunnelling.

--
Ric

Mike McMillan

2025-01-10 09:48:03 UTC

Post by Joe Kerr

Post by Kosmo
All of which will be boring on air because accountancy is boring.

If you think accountancy is boring you should try tunnelling.

But then, others do it as a means of escape.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Sam Plusnet

2025-01-09 18:30:14 UTC