OT: 60 years of sunrise

[J. P. Gilliver]

I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at my
copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59 YEARS
AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane Lea
Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed - hey,
that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last year.]

I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share with
me:

.

I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at my
copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59 YEARS
AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane Lea
Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed - hey,
that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share with
me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

Doesn't time fly?

What surprised me, when I later discovered it, was that it was
not a contemporary composition, but had its roots far further
back in traditional song.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Rising_Sun>

Chris

[J. P. Gilliver]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at my
copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59 YEARS

[]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

Doesn't time fly?

Yes!

Post by Chris J Dixon
What surprised me, when I later discovered it, was that it was
not a contemporary composition, but had its roots far further
back in traditional song.

Doesn't surprise me: without the guitar arpeggio, it has the wailing
type of melody I often associate with the kind of folk music I'm not
keen on. (Sorry, folkies. There's a lot of folk music I _do_ like - but
for me it has to be tuneful.)

Post by Chris J Dixon
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Rising_Sun>

Thanks - interesting article. Because of the song (and video), I'd
always thought of the Animals (when I did at all) as American; seems
they (or at least one of them) were from the Newcastle area!

Post by Chris J Dixon
Chris

John

[Wenlock]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at my
copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59 YEARS
AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane Lea
Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed - hey,
that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share with
me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

Doesn't time fly?
What surprised me, when I later discovered it, was that it was
not a contemporary composition, but had its roots far further
back in traditional song.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Rising_Sun>

In metrical terms, The House of the Rising Sun is the same as Amazing
Grace, While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks by Night, There is a Green Hill
Far Away and Ilkley Moor (among many other songs.) This means that their
standard tunes can be swapped around in a one song to the tune of another
style with great ease (Ilkley Moor, under its hymnal name of Cranbrook, is
of course widely used for Wild Shepherds, but is greatly underused for The
House of the Rising Sun.)

[J. P. Gilliver]

[]

Post by Wenlock

Post by Chris J Dixon
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_the_Rising_Sun>

In metrical terms, The House of the Rising Sun is the same as Amazing
Grace, While Shepherds Watched Their Flocks by Night, There is a Green Hill
Far Away and Ilkley Moor (among many other songs.) This means that their
standard tunes can be swapped around in a one song to the tune of another
style with great ease (Ilkley Moor, under its hymnal name of Cranbrook, is
of course widely used for Wild Shepherds, but is greatly underused for The
House of the Rising Sun.)

AmGrace is indeed in 3 (or really 6) time, as is the Animals' version of
THotRS; the folk version of Rising Sun is apparently (I've never heard
it) in common (4) time. Shepherds is 4 time, as is Green Hill, and
Ilkley. Most well-known tunes are in 4 - that's why it's called common.

[John Armstrong]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
AmGrace is indeed in 3 (or really 6) time, as is the Animals' version of
THotRS; the folk version of Rising Sun is apparently (I've never heard
it) in common (4) time. Shepherds is 4 time, as is Green Hill, and
Ilkley. Most well-known tunes are in 4 - that's why it's called common.

You are referring to Common Time, 4 over 4.

The hymns, and metrical psalm you mention, and H ot R S, are all in
Common Meter, ie in a four line stanza 8 syllables, 6 syllables, 8
syllables and 6 syllables.

cf Long Meter 8.8.8.8 and Short Meter 6.6.8.6

[Clive Arthur]

On 21/05/2024 00:13, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver
AmGrace is indeed in 3 (or really 6) time, as is the Animals' version of
THotRS;

One song to the tune of another?

Wonderful.

[Nick Odell]

On Tue, 21 May 2024 15:27:38 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver
AmGrace is indeed in 3 (or really 6) time, as is the Animals' version of
THotRS;

One song to the tune of another?
http://youtu.be/eBiYOQEWfHY
Wonderful.

And for lots of songs and tunes, all rolled up together:

Nick

[J. P. Gilliver]

Post by Nick Odell
On Tue, 21 May 2024 15:27:38 +0100, Clive Arthur

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by J. P. Gilliver
AmGrace is indeed in 3 (or really 6) time, as is the Animals' version of
THotRS;

One song to the tune of another?
http://youtu.be/eBiYOQEWfHY
Wonderful.

http://youtu.be/nW0ACEOEq6w
Nick

I love the UOGB!

And for (mostly) classical, the Tomlinson "Syne" Fantasia is hard to
beat:

(skip to 2:06). (Sorry
if I've mentioned it before.)

[Kosmo]

Post by Chris J Dixon
What surprised me, when I later discovered it, was that it was
not a contemporary composition, but had its roots far further
back in traditional song.

Which is true of much else that was delivered in that era as they relied
on the music they had heard when growing up.

Last night our local jazz club had performers and the set linked
together some diverse performers - J J Cale, Steely Dan, Mose Alison and
Vangelis (OK a little far fetched but Chariots of Fire was there) as
they brought together Blues, Jazz, Country and how it has evolved and
changed. And some stunning performances.

[Nick Odell]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:50:04 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at my
copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59 YEARS
AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane Lea
Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed - hey,
that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share with
me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was okay with today being my fiftieth wedding anniversary (if we had
both still been married and still alive) but you have brought back
awful memories of my worst ever gig which until now I had thought had
been buried forever.

Amongst other things, in those days I was part of a folk duo
performing mostly in folk clubs and pubs. We had a friend who I'll
call Jim Nice-but-Dim. A bit like Harry Enfield's upper class idiot
Tim Nice-but-Dim but without being upper class. Jim's father ran a
cafe but wouldn't let Jim work front-of-house in the business - you
get the picture? Jim had the dream of stardom and since he didn't play
or sing and he couldn't achieve stardom in the same way as, say, The
Beatles he would strive to become another Brian Epstein and live in
the reflected glory of the superstar band he would one day manage and
the band he wanted to project to these dizzy heights was us.

We didn't need a manager to take a ten-percent cut on the nothing,
zero, zilch, nada that we were currently earning: the odd free pint of
beer that we were given in the pubs and bars was quite enough for us
and we didn't want to take things any more seriously, thank you. But
Jim Nice-but-Dim was... well... nice and it was very hard to refuse
him without hurting his feelings.

...Which is how we, a folk duo, ended up on stage one Saturday in
Brentwood - not even our home town with the hope of a friendly
audience - in front of a crowd expecting pop music they could dance
to.

The original band they had booked had cancelled on them at short
notice and Jim was desperately trying to fill the gap. But we are not
a pop band, we are not even a dance band, we explained, and even if we
were it would be English country dance which is not what the audience
wanted. It doesn't matter, we just need something so that we don't
disappoint the people who are coming. How do you say no and really
mean it to Jim Nice-but-Dim?

We certainly disappointed. People came, listened to us, then didn't
listen and audience grew louder and the mood grew ever darker.
Fortunately, somebody else who had rather better contacts and
organisational skills than Jim had found another band - a pop band -
and we ended up performing while they came into the hall and set their
equipment up on the stage behind us. Amplifiers! Microphones! A real
drum kit! All those things we didn't have.

As Chris said, The House of the Rising Sun is a traditional song that
dates back to a previous century and we had decided to perform it as
our closing number. The Alan Lomax version - look it up, if you can't
imagine it already. These guys came on stage and - rather unkindly we
thought - kicked off their set with..

...The House of the Rising Sun - the Animals version, the sheer
loudness of which blew us away off the stage as we desperately tried
to gather up what little equipment we had and flee.

I've never run away from a gig so fast before or since.

Nick

[john ashby]

Post by Nick Odell
On Sat, 18 May 2024 08:50:04 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at my
copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59 YEARS
AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane Lea
Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed - hey,
that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share with
me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was okay with today being my fiftieth wedding anniversary (if we had
both still been married and still alive) but you have brought back
awful memories of my worst ever gig which until now I had thought had
been buried forever.
Amongst other things, in those days I was part of a folk duo
performing mostly in folk clubs and pubs. We had a friend who I'll
call Jim Nice-but-Dim. A bit like Harry Enfield's upper class idiot
Tim Nice-but-Dim but without being upper class. Jim's father ran a
cafe but wouldn't let Jim work front-of-house in the business - you
get the picture? Jim had the dream of stardom and since he didn't play
or sing and he couldn't achieve stardom in the same way as, say, The
Beatles he would strive to become another Brian Epstein and live in
the reflected glory of the superstar band he would one day manage and
the band he wanted to project to these dizzy heights was us.
We didn't need a manager to take a ten-percent cut on the nothing,
zero, zilch, nada that we were currently earning: the odd free pint of
beer that we were given in the pubs and bars was quite enough for us
and we didn't want to take things any more seriously, thank you. But
Jim Nice-but-Dim was... well... nice and it was very hard to refuse
him without hurting his feelings.
...Which is how we, a folk duo, ended up on stage one Saturday in
Brentwood - not even our home town with the hope of a friendly
audience - in front of a crowd expecting pop music they could dance
to.
The original band they had booked had cancelled on them at short
notice and Jim was desperately trying to fill the gap. But we are not
a pop band, we are not even a dance band, we explained, and even if we
were it would be English country dance which is not what the audience
wanted. It doesn't matter, we just need something so that we don't
disappoint the people who are coming. How do you say no and really
mean it to Jim Nice-but-Dim?
We certainly disappointed. People came, listened to us, then didn't
listen and audience grew louder and the mood grew ever darker.
Fortunately, somebody else who had rather better contacts and
organisational skills than Jim had found another band - a pop band -
and we ended up performing while they came into the hall and set their
equipment up on the stage behind us. Amplifiers! Microphones! A real
drum kit! All those things we didn't have.
As Chris said, The House of the Rising Sun is a traditional song that
dates back to a previous century and we had decided to perform it as
our closing number. The Alan Lomax version - look it up, if you can't
imagine it already. These guys came on stage and - rather unkindly we
thought - kicked off their set with..
...The House of the Rising Sun - the Animals version, the sheer
loudness of which blew us away off the stage as we desperately tried
to gather up what little equipment we had and flee.
I've never run away from a gig so fast before or since.
Nick

<applause (muted and drowned out by guitar arpeggios)>

john

[Rosie Mitchell]

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at
my copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59
YEARS AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane
Lea Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed -
hey, that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last
year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share
with me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

It seemed to come out of nowhere, too, unless you were in the habit of
listening to the likes of Muddy Waters or Alexis Korner (which I wasn't
when I was 9), and although we'd had the Beatles and the Stones by then
this was something else. I loved it then and still think it's a great
recording.

Rosie

[v***@gmail.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:44:03 +0100, Rosie Mitchell

Post by Rosie Mitchell

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at
my copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59
YEARS AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane
Lea Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed -
hey, that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last
year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share
with me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

It seemed to come out of nowhere, too, unless you were in the habit of
listening to the likes of Muddy Waters or Alexis Korner (which I wasn't
when I was 9), and although we'd had the Beatles and the Stones by then
this was something else. I loved it then and still think it's a great
recording.
Rosie

I think it was in 1965 I saw Muddy Waters and Lightning Hopkins at the
Free Trade Hall in Birmingham with the Sheffield university R&B
Society.

[Paul Herber]

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:44:03 +0100, Rosie Mitchell

Post by Rosie Mitchell

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at
my copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59
YEARS AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane
Lea Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed -
hey, that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last
year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share
with me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

It seemed to come out of nowhere, too, unless you were in the habit of
listening to the likes of Muddy Waters or Alexis Korner (which I wasn't
when I was 9), and although we'd had the Beatles and the Stones by then
this was something else. I loved it then and still think it's a great
recording.
Rosie

I think it was in 1965 I saw Muddy Waters and Lightning Hopkins at the
Free Trade Hall in Birmingham with the Sheffield university R&B
Society.

Their children, Roger and Mary, did some good work too.

[v***@gmail.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:07:05 +0100, Paul Herber

Post by Paul Herber

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:44:03 +0100, Rosie Mitchell

Post by Rosie Mitchell

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at
my copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59
YEARS AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane
Lea Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed -
hey, that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last
year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share
with me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

It seemed to come out of nowhere, too, unless you were in the habit of
listening to the likes of Muddy Waters or Alexis Korner (which I wasn't
when I was 9), and although we'd had the Beatles and the Stones by then
this was something else. I loved it then and still think it's a great
recording.
Rosie

I think it was in 1965 I saw Muddy Waters and Lightning Hopkins at the
Free Trade Hall in Birmingham with the Sheffield university R&B
Society.

Their children, Roger and Mary, did some good work too.

Is that a joke that whooshed or real children?

[Paul Herber]

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 18 May 2024 20:07:05 +0100, Paul Herber

Post by Paul Herber

Post by v***@gmail.com
On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:44:03 +0100, Rosie Mitchell

Post by Rosie Mitchell

Post by J. P. Gilliver
I was having a discussion (in alt.windows7.general, about the lyric
plugin for WinAmp), and House of the Rising Sun came up; I looked at
my copy of the file, and find it includes the note "MAY 18, 1964 - 59
YEARS AGO, The Animals recorded House of the Rising Sun at De Lane
Lea Studios, Kingsway, London." Took me a moment before I noticed -
hey, that's today! [Obviously whoever wrote the note was writing last
year.]
I didn't think such an anniversary should pass without comment. One of
the classic guitar riffs of all time. For those that want to share
with me: http://youtu.be/4-43lLKaqBQ .
I was a little startled when I did the sum - I thought it was going to
come out at 50.

It seemed to come out of nowhere, too, unless you were in the habit of
listening to the likes of Muddy Waters or Alexis Korner (which I wasn't
when I was 9), and although we'd had the Beatles and the Stones by then
this was something else. I loved it then and still think it's a great
recording.
Rosie

I think it was in 1965 I saw Muddy Waters and Lightning Hopkins at the
Free Trade Hall in Birmingham with the Sheffield university R&B
Society.

Their children, Roger and Mary, did some good work too.

Is that a joke that whooshed or real children?

Sorry. Whoosh Central.
Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) and Mary Hopkin.

I'll get my coat (having just had Mary tell me to take it off)