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OT: Wish me luck ...
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J. P. Gilliver
2024-07-11 05:58:08 UTC
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... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
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John Armstrong
2024-07-11 07:35:11 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Bonne chance!
Kosmo
2024-07-11 08:18:53 UTC
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... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Good luck.
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-11 18:16:11 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome. But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
--
Sam Plusnet
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-12 18:53:18 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today. I still have my fingers crossed, but...
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Sam Plusnet
Kosmo
2024-07-13 08:23:34 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Chris J Dixon
2024-07-13 09:09:34 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
A worrying silence.

I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.

Chris
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BrritSki
2024-07-13 09:15:40 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
If only someone had hidden a camera in court...
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-13 09:17:18 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Kosmo
Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
If only someone had hidden a camera in court...
BTN!
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Best wishes, Serena
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Marx)
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-15 22:19:21 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Kosmo
Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
If only someone had hidden a camera in court...
BTN!
Yes.

Sorry for the delay. My eyes have been off the ball, so to speak.

Rosie
Sally Thompson
2024-07-16 17:35:09 UTC
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Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by BrritSki
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Kosmo
Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
If only someone had hidden a camera in court...
BTN!
Yes.
Sorry for the delay. My eyes have been off the ball, so to speak.
Rosie
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
was, and found this:
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Paul Herber
2024-07-16 17:55:21 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by BrritSki
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Kosmo
Post by J. P. Gilliver
... as you wave me goodbye: today's the day I find out!
Well I would, but by now I'm sure you know the outcome.  But I had my
fingers crossed for you anyway.
John hasn't posted today.  I still have my fingers crossed, but...
It is not looking good is it?
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
If only someone had hidden a camera in court...
BTN!
Yes.
Sorry for the delay. My eyes have been off the ball, so to speak.
Rosie
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gk4npm03o
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Jenny M Benson
2024-07-16 18:27:29 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.

Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
john ashby
2024-07-16 18:59:51 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
I'm going to hope that he can get onto and engage with a sex-offender
treatment programme, some of which can be very effective. It will
probably have to be post-sentence since 10 months may not be long enough
to arrange one.

john
Nick Odell
2024-07-17 11:23:10 UTC
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Post by john ashby
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
I'm going to hope that he can get onto and engage with a sex-offender
treatment programme, some of which can be very effective. It will
probably have to be post-sentence since 10 months may not be long enough
to arrange one.
I agree with you. I don't want to make this about me/us when plainly
there is an individual out there who needs a great deal of help but[1]
I feel my goodwill has been taken advantage of. Unlike other
newsgroups where he has said nothing at all about his situation[2] he
has, I think, looked to umra for some sort of support but I feel I
have been deceived into giving it..

...Unlike the readers of the Kent Messenger whose BTL comments on his
story seem to ignore the paper's stance "We.. ..expect users to abide
by our guidelines and treat others with respect."[3]

Nick
[1]There's always a "but"
[2]I checked, though probably not exhaustively
[3]<https://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/beach-pervert-had-sunglasses-with-built-in-cameras-309842/>
john ashby
2024-07-17 11:50:52 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Post by john ashby
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
I'm going to hope that he can get onto and engage with a sex-offender
treatment programme, some of which can be very effective. It will
probably have to be post-sentence since 10 months may not be long enough
to arrange one.
I agree with you. I don't want to make this about me/us when plainly
there is an individual out there who needs a great deal of help but[1]
I feel my goodwill has been taken advantage of. Unlike other
newsgroups where he has said nothing at all about his situation[2] he
has, I think, looked to umra for some sort of support but I feel I
have been deceived into giving it..
I would say the runes were not too difficult to read. A few years ago an
ex-neighbour asked me to give the court a character reference but was
cagey about the nature of his offence. It turned out to be abuse of a
young child while the neighbour was an older teen. The reference I wrote
was factual and migth have been called faint praise.
Post by Nick Odell
...Unlike the readers of the Kent Messenger whose BTL comments on his
story seem to ignore the paper's stance "We.. ..expect users to abide
by our guidelines and treat others with respect."[3]
BTL on local newspapers is a cesspit that they show little interest in
cleaning out, understandably since a) their readersip is small and
pissin off any of them is a risk and b) the advertising revenue depends
on clicks so controversy is seen as a positive quality.

john
john ashby
2024-07-17 15:08:14 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Post by john ashby
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
I'm going to hope that he can get onto and engage with a sex-offender
treatment programme, some of which can be very effective. It will
probably have to be post-sentence since 10 months may not be long enough
to arrange one.
I agree with you. I don't want to make this about me/us when plainly
there is an individual out there who needs a great deal of help but[1]
I feel my goodwill has been taken advantage of. Unlike other
newsgroups where he has said nothing at all about his situation[2] he
has, I think, looked to umra for some sort of support but I feel I
have been deceived into giving it..
A further thought on the fact that only umra were semi-confided in. I
think we should see that as a testament of the nature of (John's view
of) this group that he felt safe enough to tell us the little that he
did and/or that we were important enough to him for him to do so. Which
may be why Roger's rather judgemental response saddens me (though I can
empathise with him).

john
BrritSki
2024-07-17 15:22:28 UTC
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Post by john ashby
Post by Nick Odell
Post by john ashby
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
I'm going to hope that he can get onto and engage with a sex-offender
treatment programme, some of which can be very effective. It will
probably have to be post-sentence since 10 months may not be long enough
to arrange one.
I agree with you. I don't want to make this about me/us when plainly
there is an individual out there who needs a great deal of help but[1]
I feel my goodwill has been taken advantage of. Unlike other
newsgroups where he has said nothing at all about his situation[2] he
has, I think, looked to umra for some sort of support but I feel I
have been deceived into giving it..
A further thought on the fact that only umra were semi-confided in. I
think we should see that as a testament of the nature of (John's view
of) this group that he felt safe enough to tell us the little that he
did and/or that we were important enough to him for him to do so.
Or that he saw us as gullible enough to believe his quarter truths and
outright lie about children not being involved.
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-16 19:39:49 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
Quite. It's difficult to reconcile the person we have known for many
years and that report.
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Sam Plusnet
Steveski
2024-07-16 22:07:52 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
Quite.  It's difficult to reconcile the person we have known for many
years and that report.
It's always the quiet ones . . . (desperately mugging for a BTN :-) )

Too soon?
--
Steveski
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-17 17:54:29 UTC
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Post by Steveski
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
Quite.  It's difficult to reconcile the person we have known for
many years and that report.
It's always the quiet ones . . . (desperately mugging for a BTN :-) )
Too soon?
Them as asks...

Rosie
BrritSki
2024-07-17 07:15:51 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
Quite.  It's difficult to reconcile the person we have known for many
years and that report.
Do we really know anyone just from what they post here ?
Even if we've met then for a few brief hours at a BBQ ?

I've always thought his gillivering was deeply rude and inconsiderate of
other people, as was his insistence that cross-posting was OK (although
he did stop both of those) and that's why he was in my killfile for a
long time and will be back in there from now on.

I know others will not agree with me, but that's their choice.
Sally Thompson
2024-07-17 10:30:07 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
Quite.  It's difficult to reconcile the person we have known for many
years and that report.
Do we really know anyone just from what they post here ?
Even if we've met then for a few brief hours at a BBQ ?
I've always thought his gillivering was deeply rude and inconsiderate of
other people, as was his insistence that cross-posting was OK (although
he did stop both of those) and that's why he was in my killfile for a
long time and will be back in there from now on.
I know others will not agree with me, but that's their choice.
I know we shouldn't speculate, but I am more shocked at the camera
installed in a friend's bathroom than anything. The other things are a
mental illness but the abuse of a friend is something else. I do wonder if
it was the blind friends he sometimes mentioned.
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Sally in Shropshire, UK
Chris
2024-07-17 20:39:44 UTC
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Post by Sally Thompson
Post by BrritSki
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
Quite.  It's difficult to reconcile the person we have known for many
years and that report.
Do we really know anyone just from what they post here ?
Even if we've met then for a few brief hours at a BBQ ?
I've always thought his gillivering was deeply rude and inconsiderate of
other people, as was his insistence that cross-posting was OK (although
he did stop both of those) and that's why he was in my killfile for a
long time and will be back in there from now on.
I know others will not agree with me, but that's their choice.
I know we shouldn't speculate, but I am more shocked at the camera
installed in a friend's bathroom than anything. The other things are a
mental illness but the abuse of a friend is something else. I do wonder if
it was the blind friends he sometimes mentioned.
They’re in the Newcastle area so hopefully not. They’re very old friends
of his but I don’t remember asking how or where they met. The last time he
mentioned them to me was about air fryers.

Mrs McT
Chris
2024-07-17 13:04:06 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by Sally Thompson
I was intrigued enough to Goggle, not knowing what the original accusation
<https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/ex-councillor-who-hid-secret-camera-in-sunglasses-at-beach-jailed-for-sex-offences/ar-BB1q4EPv>
Understandable, I think, that he was not entirely honest with us.
Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
*But why*? And his bro too.

We’re totally lost for words. I knew, via previous groups for the VI the
two blind people he talked about: he seemed a genuinely caring, if
eccentric, person. The care he took of his mum, who he brought to our BBQ.


Don’t think he’ll be getting in touch with any of us on his return. It
doesn’t seem a very long sentence, with remission. He’s not daft. He’ll be
a model inmate.

It feels akin to a bereavement having known him so long. Meeting him in
the flesh makes it even harder.

Glad TNFM and Sid will never know.

Mrs McT
Kosmo
2024-07-17 13:29:30 UTC
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*But why*?
An excellent question.

I must be careful over names and reputations but in recent years the
following events have happened.

1. The good lady's wife's first husband was accused of having child
pornographic images (many years after their divorce and our marriage I
hasten to add). He was I believe convicted (and is now dead). My wife
had trouble believing that he had such interests when they were together
but it is hard to dispute the content of the newspapers.

2. My wife's best friend at school had a cousin (male and never long
term attached to a partner as far as I am aware) who has in the last
couple of years been sent to prison, again for having child porn images
and having communications with third parties concerning the images.
Again both my wife and her best friend have struggled to believe that
this is true - but there is a court decision.

3. My wife has another friend (with whom we lost touch many years ago)
but her children accused her husband of abuse. The couple have left the
country and cut off all contact with friends and family as a result, the
wife obviously believing her husband rather than her children. I cannot
say that we knew the husband at all well only meeting him a couple of times.

So are all men capable of it and with technology are able to further
their fantasies or is modern living adding new pressures to everyone's
mental stability?

Or do all of our hard disks contain such material since we are all
connected to the internet?
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-13 09:18:28 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
--
Best wishes, Serena
There is only one thing about which I am certain, and that is that there
is very little about which one can be certain. (W. Somerset Maugham)
Joe Kerr
2024-07-13 11:48:13 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
In view of the silence I checked The Law Pages (.com) (which does not
include magistrates courts) but could find no reference to this, or
anything else I searched for. I think they have some software issues in
their search function - I did get responses for things I hadn't searched
for.
--
Ric
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-13 19:19:49 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].

[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
--
Sam Plusnet
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-13 20:45:06 UTC
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Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers
haven't reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
Yes, if they do that, I suspect that it'll be reported. Partly because
cameras in the wrong places make a "good" story and partly because,
until he was arrested, he was a local councillor.
--
Best wishes, Serena
Morris dancing is an exercise in fertility.
Nick Odell
2024-07-13 22:21:27 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.

Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
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Sam Plusnet
2024-07-13 23:56:47 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
--
Sam Plusnet
Mike McMillan
2024-07-14 11:20:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Chris J Dixon
2024-07-17 15:53:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?

Chris
--
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'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
***@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.
nick
2024-07-18 05:49:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?
BTN!

And maybe a BTN for this whole thread?

Nick
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-18 09:43:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by nick
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?
BTN!
And maybe a BTN for this whole thread?
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for His
Majesty's Pleasure!
--
Best wishes, Serena
I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells (Dr. Seuss)
BrritSki
2024-07-18 09:52:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for His
Majesty's Pleasure!
Will it involve Jersey cows ?
Clive Arthur
2024-07-18 10:11:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for
His Majesty's Pleasure!
Will it involve Jersey cows ?
Jersey cows and Guernsey goats, and little lambs eat ivy.
--
Cheers
Clive
BrritSki
2024-07-18 10:27:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clive Arthur
Post by BrritSki
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for
His Majesty's Pleasure!
Will it involve Jersey cows ?
Jersey cows and Guernsey goats, and little lambs eat ivy.
:)
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-18 13:05:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for
His Majesty's Pleasure!
Will it involve Jersey cows ?
So long as they provide some butter for his bread.
--
Best wishes, Serena
Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke
of luck (Dalai Lama)
john ashby
2024-07-18 13:15:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by BrritSki
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for
His Majesty's Pleasure!
Will it involve Jersey cows ?
So long as they provide some butter for his bread.
We have Alderneytive cattle.

john
Jenny M Benson
2024-07-18 15:07:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by BrritSki
Post by Serena Blanchflower
I suspect there may well end up being an entire category of BTNs for
His Majesty's Pleasure!
Will it involve Jersey cows ?
So long as they provide some butter for his bread.
Unless he'd like marmalade instead.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-19 11:02:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by nick
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?
BTN!
And maybe a BTN for this whole thread?
Yes for the post.

No for the whole post. It's too serious for that and needs some working
through.

Rosie
Mike McMillan
2024-07-20 07:49:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by nick
Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?
BTN!
And maybe a BTN for this whole thread?
Yes for the post.
No for the whole post. It's too serious for that and needs some working
through.
Rosie
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
BrritSki
2024-07-20 08:35:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.

I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).

I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
Steveski
2024-07-20 12:13:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
<LW>
--
Steveski
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-20 13:30:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I think there's a good chance that his Sexual Harm Prevention Order will
prevent him coming back, at least for some considerable time, even
after he's been released. I think his internet connection may well have
much longer sentence than he does.
--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Where does a dog go when he loses his tail?
A. To a re-tailer
Chris
2024-07-21 16:54:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?

Mrs McT
Mike McMillan
2024-07-21 17:55:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Chris
2024-07-21 20:18:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)

Mrs McT
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-21 20:45:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.

Rosie
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-21 23:56:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Widening the discussion out to a more general point.

There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
--
Sam Plusnet
nick
2024-07-22 01:04:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Widening the discussion out to a more general point.
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Since Saturday was the 55th anniversary of the Moon landing, it seems
appropriate to dispel the myth that the computer aboard Apollo had about
the same processing power as a mobile phone. It didn't. The processing
power of a pocket calculator more like.

Nick
Mike McMillan
2024-07-22 08:01:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by nick
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Widening the discussion out to a more general point.
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Since Saturday was the 55th anniversary of the Moon landing, it seems
appropriate to dispel the myth that the computer aboard Apollo had about
the same processing power as a mobile phone. It didn't. The processing
power of a pocket calculator more like.
Nick
Now let me see….. 2 pockets in my shorts, 1 pocket in my shirt…
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Kosmo
2024-07-22 09:13:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by nick
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Widening the discussion out to a more general point.
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Since Saturday was the 55th anniversary of the Moon landing, it seems
appropriate to dispel the myth that the computer aboard Apollo had about
the same processing power as a mobile phone. It didn't. The processing
power of a pocket calculator more like.
Nick
Now let me see….. 2 pockets in my shorts, 1 pocket in my shirt…
I have 4 pockets in my shorts but none in my t shirt.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Clive Arthur
2024-07-22 09:21:50 UTC
Permalink
On 22/07/2024 02:04, nick wrote:

<snip>
Post by nick
Since Saturday was the 55th anniversary of the Moon landing, it seems
appropriate to dispel the myth that the computer aboard Apollo had about
the same processing power as a mobile phone. It didn't. The processing
power of a pocket calculator more like.
Nick
Wiki says more like an Apple II, TRS80 or Commodore PET.
--
Cheers
Clive
Kosmo
2024-07-22 09:12:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future events
from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.

First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form of
retail activity should take cash.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
BrritSki
2024-07-22 09:18:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future events
from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form of
retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Kosmo
2024-07-22 09:27:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
It may be legal tender but that imposes no requirement for retailers (eg
London theatres, sporting stadia) to actually accept it. Some
Scandinavian countries have legislated that cash must be accepted - and
they are progressive societies.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
BrritSki
2024-07-22 09:44:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kosmo
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you
can get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones
have already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
It may be legal tender but that imposes no requirement for retailers (eg
London theatres, sporting stadia) to actually accept it.  Some
Scandinavian countries have legislated that cash must be accepted - and
they are progressive societies.
Exactly. Totally agree even if I don;t use it myself much.
john ashby
2024-07-22 12:11:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kosmo
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you
can get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones
have already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
It may be legal tender but that imposes no requirement for retailers (eg
London theatres, sporting stadia) to actually accept it.  Some
Scandinavian countries have legislated that cash must be accepted - and
they are progressive societies.
Well of course they are progressive - the cashless society
disenfranchises the poor, the homeless and particularly asylum seekers.

john
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-22 11:03:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you
can get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones
have already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any
form of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
For settlement of debts, yes. Not for a contractual transaction.

Rosie
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-22 18:31:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.

P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
--
Sam Plusnet
Mike McMillan
2024-07-23 07:43:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
That really is begging for a Brritski response!
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
BrritSki
2024-07-23 07:50:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
That really is begging for a Brritski response!
What, something along the lines of having to make a withdrawal from a
hole in the wall ?

Or perhaps the verse from the old rugby song:
There's a Gentleman's conveniences down by Waterloo
And a Ladies just a little further down
For a penny on deposit
You can hire a water closet
But a season ticket costs you half-a-crown

It reveals it's ancient provenance in every line !
Mike McMillan
2024-07-23 08:10:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
That really is begging for a Brritski response!
What, something along the lines of having to make a withdrawal from a
hole in the wall ?
There's a Gentleman's conveniences down by Waterloo
And a Ladies just a little further down
For a penny on deposit
You can hire a water closet
But a season ticket costs you half-a-crown
It reveals it's ancient provenance in every line !
😀
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Kosmo
2024-07-23 08:42:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you
can get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones
have already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app.  That really is a low blow if your phone battery is
flat.
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
john ashby
2024-07-23 08:56:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you
can get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones
have already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any
form of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app.  That really is a low blow if your phone battery is
flat.
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
But you can pass water for free there by just walking down the main
stre... Oh, I see what you mean.

john
Sam Plusnet
2024-07-23 19:22:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by john ashby
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you
can get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones
have already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download
to phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so
it is available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any
form of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty
much essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app.  That really is a low blow if your phone battery
is flat.
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
But you can pass water for free there by just walking down the main
stre... Oh, I see what you mean.
You do have to walk downstream quite quickly, or else the water passes you.
--
Sam Plusnet
BrritSki
2024-07-23 10:27:58 UTC
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Post by Kosmo
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
Don't they still have those pretty little low-walled bridges that you
could have used for free ? Or the WC in the model village [1] was
probably still free.

[1] If it's still there - haven't been to BotW [2] for many decades.

[2] Talking of the Cotswolds, and Ob TA, I thought Ed's reference last
night was to Moreton-In-Marsh was wrong, so went and checked. I'm sure
we used to call it Moreton-In-THE-Marsh, and being a keen cyclist and
living in Coventry I cycled through it several times a year.

Or maybe I'm getting confused with Much-Binding...
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-23 11:31:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
Don't they still have those pretty little low-walled bridges that you
could have used for free ? Or the WC in the model village [1] was
probably still free.
[1] If it's still there - haven't been to BotW [2] for many decades.
[2] Talking of the Cotswolds, and Ob TA, I thought Ed's reference last
night was to Moreton-In-Marsh was wrong, so went and checked. I'm sure
we used to call it Moreton-In-THE-Marsh, and being a keen cyclist and
living in Coventry I cycled through it several times a year.
Or maybe I'm getting confused with Much-Binding...
It's always been Moreton-in-Marsh and the locals were always very
particular about this. A kind of shibboleth, outsiders who inserted the
definite article had half-bricks (or more likely lumps of oolitic
limestone in those parts) hurled at them.

Rosie
Kosmo
2024-07-23 11:35:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
Don't they still have those pretty little low-walled bridges that you
could have used for free ?  Or the WC in the model village [1] was
probably still free.
[1] If it's still there - haven't been to BotW [2] for many decades.
[2] Talking of the Cotswolds, and Ob TA, I thought Ed's reference last
night was to Moreton-In-Marsh was wrong, so went and checked. I'm sure
we used to call it Moreton-In-THE-Marsh, and being a keen cyclist and
living in Coventry I cycled through it several times a year.
Or maybe I'm getting confused with Much-Binding...
The model village is indeed still there (or was - this was several years
ago) and it remains interesting.

Surely it was Much Binding in the Marsh?
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Joe Kerr
2024-07-23 11:37:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by BrritSki
[2] Talking of the Cotswolds, and Ob TA, I thought Ed's reference last
night was to Moreton-In-Marsh was wrong, so went and checked. I'm sure
we used to call it Moreton-In-THE-Marsh, and being a keen cyclist and
living in Coventry I cycled through it several times a year.
I'm pretty sure it was known as such in this house, but that doesn't
mean it is correct. In the marsh just sounds better/more sensible.
--
Ric
Steveski
2024-07-23 14:19:06 UTC
Permalink
On 23/07/2024 09:42, Kosmo wrote:

[snip]
Post by Kosmo
Equally during covid I had taken to not carrying cash until I got to
Bourton on the Water where I could only pass water with cash.
My grandparents had tea rooms in Bourton-on-the-water.
--
Steveski
Nick Odell
2024-07-23 08:46:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
Changes to public toilet pricing have been completely off my RADAR for
a number of years now.

Nick
Chris
2024-07-23 10:01:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
That’s an expensive penny!

Mrs McT
Joe Kerr
2024-07-23 11:40:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris
That’s an expensive penny!
Mrs McT
Talking of which[1], where is Penny?

[1] Not witch.
--
Ric
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-24 10:57:27 UTC
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Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Chris
That’s an expensive penny!
Mrs McT
Talking of which[1], where is Penny?
[1] Not witch.
I have told Penny, on FB, that she was being asked about - and the
context which had prompted this. She responded with a laughing emoji
but I don't know if she'll look in to answer in person.
--
Best wishes, Serena
I'd won't let my children watch an orchestra.
There's too much sax and violins.
Joe Kerr
2024-07-24 12:46:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Chris
That’s an expensive penny!
Mrs McT
Talking of which[1], where is Penny?
[1] Not witch.
I have told Penny, on FB, that she was being asked about - and the
context which had prompted this.  She responded with a laughing emoji
but I don't know if she'll look in to answer in person.
Thanks Serena. It's nice to know she is alive and well, even if AWOL.
--
Ric
BrritSki
2024-07-24 16:08:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Joe Kerr
Post by Chris
That’s an expensive penny!
Mrs McT
Talking of which[1], where is Penny?
[1] Not witch.
I have told Penny, on FB, that she was being asked about - and the
context which had prompted this.  She responded with a laughing emoji
but I don't know if she'll look in to answer in person.
Thanks Serena. It's nice to know she is alive and well, even if AWOL.
<LW>

Sam Plusnet
2024-07-23 19:26:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
That’s an expensive penny!
I did wonder how much of that 30p is needed to cover the transaction
costs - and the costs of installing (& maintaining) all the gear needed
to collect the 30p in the first place .
--
Sam Plusnet
Nick Odell
2024-07-23 22:14:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by BrritSki
Post by Kosmo
Post by Sam Plusnet
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
Indeed - following Microsoft / Crowdstrike trying to bring down the
world on Friday plus my wife losing all stored tickets for future
events from her ipad I am getting more concerned about resilience.
We always have paper copies of everything and anything we download to
phones is sent via WhatsApp and then opened before we travel so it is
available offline in there's no signal/wifi.
Post by Kosmo
First change I would make is to ensure all those involved in any form
of retail activity should take cash.
I don;t carry cash at all now, but I think it should always be an
option. It's legal tender FFS.
Whilst on holiday (Devon) I hardly ever used cash, but whenever Wofe
wanted books from charity shops (i.e. frequently) cash was pretty much
essential.
P.S. In several towns the loos cost 30p payable only via contactless
card or phone app. That really is a low blow if your phone battery is flat.
That’s an expensive penny!
I did wonder how much of that 30p is needed to cover the transaction
costs - and the costs of installing (& maintaining) all the gear needed
to collect the 30p in the first place .
I see parallels between the ever increasing price of weeing and the
increasing complexity around paying to wee with the way every complex
technological failure seems to be replaced by something even more
complex and even more bound to fail. We are in Douglas Adams territory
here: I wonder if he ever imagined it would come around so soon?

Nick
Kosmo
2024-07-24 08:51:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nick Odell
We are in Douglas Adams territory
here: I wonder if he ever imagined it would come around so soon?
At least Crowdstrike (an apt name if ever there was one) managed not to
take out Usenet.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Mike McMillan
2024-07-24 12:14:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kosmo
Post by Nick Odell
We are in Douglas Adams territory
here: I wonder if he ever imagined it would come around so soon?
At least Crowdstrike (an apt name if ever there was one) managed not to
take out Usenet.
They are probably working on it!
--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan
Joe Kerr
2024-07-24 09:52:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nick Odell
I see parallels between the ever increasing price of weeing and the
increasing complexity around paying to wee with the way every complex
technological failure seems to be replaced by something even more
complex and even more bound to fail. We are in Douglas Adams territory
here: I wonder if he ever imagined it would come around so soon?
And think of the chaos and human suffering if some major computer outage
took all public loos out of use.
--
Ric
Rosie Mitchell
2024-07-22 10:49:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Widening the discussion out to a more general point.
There are so many things today where pretty much the only way you can
get things done is via 'an app' or online.
A mobile phone is a computer, and in many places landline phones have
already been disconnected.
And slowly but surely we are being ensnared in the the nets of the
megacorporations.

Rosie
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-22 14:20:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Being pedantic, DINTAFBPOU, it would probably be under the terms of his
Sexual Harm Prevention Order, rather than his probation terms. Not
least because the probation service will only have oversight of him
until the end of his sentence, while his SHPO will be for at least five
years, maybe longer and will be policed by the police.

Reading the info on SHPOs, from the CPS, it's clear that they don't
generally ban all computer access nowadays. Presumably this is largely
because so much of life nowadays requires you to have online access and
to use apps. Looking at the generic guidelines, it looks as if he may
well be allowed access to usenet, so long as he's declared it to the Police.

<https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-15-sexual-harm-prevention-orders-shpos>
--
Best wishes, Serena
Plodding wins the race. (Aesop)
BrritSki
2024-07-22 14:57:04 UTC
Permalink
....   Looking at the generic guidelines, it looks as if he may
well be allowed access to usenet, so long as he's declared it to the Police.
Well can we declare to the Police that we don't want him back ?

Especially if he starts replying to posts starting from earlier this month !
Chris
2024-07-23 09:59:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Rosie Mitchell
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
Conditions of his probabation I should imagine.
Being pedantic, DINTAFBPOU, it would probably be under the terms of his
Sexual Harm Prevention Order, rather than his probation terms. Not
least because the probation service will only have oversight of him
until the end of his sentence, while his SHPO will be for at least five
years, maybe longer and will be policed by the police.
Reading the info on SHPOs, from the CPS, it's clear that they don't
generally ban all computer access nowadays. Presumably this is largely
because so much of life nowadays requires you to have online access and
to use apps. Looking at the generic guidelines, it looks as if he may
well be allowed access to usenet, so long as he's declared it to the Police.
<https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-15-sexual-harm-prevention-orders-shpos>
Thanks Serena

Mrs McT
nick
2024-07-22 00:53:54 UTC
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Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
BT Police? You mean they used to hover outside red phone boxes to nab
you if they saw you trying to game the Button-A Button-B system?

Nick
Kosmo
2024-07-22 09:14:11 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
BT Police? You mean they used to hover outside red phone boxes to nab
you if they saw you trying to game the Button-A Button-B system?
Nick
Railway policemen used to operate the signals and they they got a police
force who move you on when trying to have a night's sleep in a waiting
room before catching the first train in the morning.
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Chris
2024-07-23 09:59:39 UTC
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Post by nick
Post by Chris
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Chris
Post by BrritSki
Post by Mike McMillan
Obviously, any reply to this should be put aside for several months…
More like for ever.
I hope JPG gets help for whatever his problem is. But he shouldn't be
welcomed back here. He lied and abused umra's generous spirits and kind
hearts (not mine obvs).
I hope he has the good sense to recognise that and not come back.
I supposed there’ll be an outright ban on computer use aside from the
sentence?
Mrs McT
You mean that computer use will come to a full stop?
Nah, that once JPG’s out of clink, he’ll still be unable to access a
computer: I have no idea whether that sort of thing is a life ban or a
number of years. I’m sure I’ve seen things mentioned in news articles over
the years - but I don’t have any Mr and Mrs Plod friends (and the one I did
know was BT Police)
BT Police? You mean they used to hover outside red phone boxes to nab
you if they saw you trying to game the Button-A Button-B system?
Nick
Ah, forgot that. British Transport Police.

Mrs McT
Joe Kerr
2024-07-18 09:08:05 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?
Chris
Surely any delays regarding His Majesty's Pleasure is a private matter
between him and Camilla.
--
Ric
Serena Blanchflower
2024-07-18 09:42:33 UTC
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Post by Chris J Dixon
Post by Mike McMillan
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Serena Blanchflower
Post by Chris J Dixon
A worrying silence.
I'm not sure if any relevant records are likely to be publicly
available.
It looks as if he may have been lucky and that the local papers haven't
reported anything (so far, at least).
Our 'local' (FSVO local) paper often has a report on "Who's been in
Court this Week", so it may not appear immediately.
Also, I'm sure they pick and choose which cases to mention, since they
never mention TV Licence evasion[1].
[1] This used to be the single most common court charge, I don't know if
that is still true.
It was a Thursday. It may be too soon for stuff to have been written
up and put on a website. Looking at kentonline.co.uk[1] as one does[2]
my first impression was that Kentish people all seem to be whiter than
the driven snow and the paper has hardly any crime to report. My
second impression was that they probably only report the more
interesting stuff. And my third thought was that most of the reports
dated from the previous week so we might have to wait a while.
Nick
[1]which I trust umrats will rebracket as Kenton - line
[2]What's so odd about that? I'm also a regular reader of the Denver
Post
Reading someone else's post is illegal - wait 'til Denver finds out what
you're doing.
They might Boot him out.
I wonder if the umra definition of delayed responses as
"Gillivering" will need an edit to refer to His Majesty's
Pleasure?
Chris
Surely any delays regarding His Majesty's Pleasure is a private matter
between him and Camilla.
Snort!
--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. What do you get if you cross a sheep with a grasshopper?
A. A woolly jumper.
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