On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:16:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
Post by J. P. GilliverPost by Nick OdellOn Sat, 15 Jun 2024 00:32:26 +0100, Rosie Mitchell
Post by Rosie MitchellTom Lehrer said that satire was dead when they gave the Nobel Peace
Prize to Henry Kissinger.
He was alleged to have said that, or that that was the reason he stopped
creating and performing. He subsequently denied at least the latter (he
just got tired of doing so and had made sufficient money to continue his
fairly quiet lifestyle indefinitely). [He's still alive BTW.]
Post by Nick OdellPost by Rosie MitchellI say the already discredited honours system has now become a total joke
when they give a damehood to a loathesome, self-aggrandising,
self-pitying, talentless waste of space like Tracy Emin.
That is mostly my opinion of her ...
Post by Nick OdellDid you hear John Wilson interview her on This Cultural Life? It was
one of the first programmes in the first series but it is still on the
BBC website to listen or download. It completely changed my way of
looking at her.
... though I think I have heard some interview (don't know if I remember
which one - some years ago) that made me see there's slightly more to
her. I don't remember it changing my view entirely though.
Post by Nick OdellThe last interview I remember gobsmacking me in similar fashion was
when Dr, Anthony Clare interviewed Bob Monkhouse in the 1990s In the
Psychiatrist's Chair. That edition's no longer available from the BBC
for the same reason, I believe, as it doesn't feature in any of
Clare's books but if anybody knows where it might be found then I like
to think that it could still have the same impact today.
Nick
What was the nature of the change of your perception - did your view of
BM go greatly up or down?
I don't think up and down are very useful descriptors (just as I find
political left and right lack sufficient dimensions to do them justice
and I think anybody who has spent any time in a country in thrall to
Peronismo (as I believe you said you had, John) wouldn't find it
adequate either.
I hadn't been very interested in Bob Monkhouse before this and at the
time I hadn't been searching out this interviewee in particular
because ItPC was a programme I regularly used to listen to anyway.
Unlike -say- Tommy Cooper who could make you laugh just by walking out
onto the stage, Monkhouse never seemed to me to be a comic person in
himself: he just told very funny jokes - what I suppose we'd call
dad-jokes now.
I don't imagine that Dr Clare had intended any of this to happen but
as he questioned Monkhouse, slowly at first and then very quickly, his
whole facade crumbled away and Monkhouse discovered for the first time
all those things he had been locking out of his memory since his
childhood. It was very distressing to listen to and obviously even
more distressing for Monkhouse who broke down in tears. It was perhaps
a Pagliacci moment - a metaphorical murder had just been committed
behind the microphone - and afterwards I saw Monkhouse as a real,
fragile human being rather than just a comic.
Post by J. P. GilliverITP Chair always struck me as the dark side of Desert Island Discs
(especially as it occupied the same slot); like that Roman (?) god who
had two faces (Janus?), and/or who was represented by both the sun and
the moon. Both programmes elicited information the umbrella had not
previously revealed, often surprising, but DID usually (especially under
Plomley) came over as a pleasant experience (to the extent that lots of
people consider it an honour not far below the honours list, and many
have their list of 8 records), whereas ITPC always seemed "why would
anyone submit themselves to this" (even though DrAC was basically
pleasant).
That's a very interesting observation.
Post by J. P. Gilliver[I said umbrella not because I couldn't remember, but because I didn't
think either "interviewee" or "victim" seemed quite right. Maybe
"subject".]
Anyone else here have their list of eight records? (I think we might
have "done" this two or three decades ago.) I've never got beyond two or
three, mainly because the rules - I suspect deliberately as it gives
latitude in the making of the programme - aren't clear, such as do they
have to be single tracks or can they be albums (-a), do they have to be
released, and so on. And what's allowed as the luxury, book, and so on.
(I've just looked at Wikipedia - DIDs started in 1942; I suspect then
most ... - yes, another visit to Wiki says LPs only appeared in 1948. So
when originally devised, the 8 _would_ have been single tracks.)
As Ben has said elsewhere, I think my list would be continually
changing. My first choice though would have to be either the Music
While You Work theme or a song like She Wears Red Feathers" to
represent the first music I became aware of as a toddler.
Nick